Wow......you paint a pretty bleak picture of universal health care. So you say we may actually have to wait for non-emergency care. Scary stuff
Why is it that the life expectancy in those countries in those countries is higher than ours? Why do the people in those countries shudder at the thought of dumping universal health care in favor of a plan like the US? Why is healthcare so popular in those countries?
Why do they spend significantly less of GDP on healthcare?
Why is it that nobody loses their homes or goes bankrupt because they can't pay medical bills?
Clearly one can draw incorrect conclusions if one is ideologically driven, i.e. a left winger who cowardly calls oneself a rightwinger...or if one doesn't know the facts:
1. "... a study by Professors Ohsfeldt and Schneider at the University of Iowa, which shows that, if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country."
Medical Care Facts and Fables by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
Only those with a socialized medicine ax to grind would include homicides and auto accidents as an indictment of American healthcare.
2. Wrong about American healthcare:
"Despite the poor showing on the WHO study, the low longevity ranking of the United States is not likely a result of a poorly functioning health care system, according to researchers with the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). On the contrary, the United States functions well compared to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries in terms of death avoidance:
Mortality reductions from prostate and breast cancers have been exceptionally rapid in the United States relative to a set of peer countries.
These unusually rapid declines are attributable to wider screening and more aggressive treatment of these diseases.
Screening for other cancers also appears unusually extensive, and five-year survival rates from all of the major cancers are very favorable.
Survival rates following heart attack and stroke are also favorable (although one-year survival rates following stroke are only average), and the proportion of people with elevated blood pressure or cholesterol levels who are receiving medication is well above European standards."
For text:
http://www.nber.org/digest/dec09/w15213.html
3." When the liberals compare Americas health care costs those of Canadas, something they dont figure in is going to the bathroom 12 times a night for 3 years until you can finally be fit in with a government doctor to fix the problem.
In the Province of Quebec, patients suffering from serious incontinence - ie, they have to aller aux toilettes jusqu� 12 fois par nuit (thats 12 times a night) - have to wait three years for a half-hour operation. Thats 3 years times 365 nights times 12 trips to the bathroom.
The central point about socialized medicine is that restricting access is the only means of controlling costs."
http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/389366.asp
And what a coincidence the the socialist-in-chief appointed Berwick, who champions rationing medical aid to Americans, to front the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services:
4. "...his remarks attacking private-sector solutions to health care problems, in support of rationing with our eyes open, and expressing his affection for the United Kingdoms notoriously slow and rationing-plagued National Health Service as romantic.
Donald Berwick Appointed Head of CMS - by Benjamin Domenech
One can easily find his vids endorsing rationing healthcare.
How many Canadians or Brits are rioting in the streets to get an American style Healthcare system?
How many are without healthcare?
How many lost their homes or went bankrupt because of overwhelming medical bills?
How many have to choose between prescriptions because they can't afford to pay for them all?
Your refusal to accept remediation is anti-intellectual, and, in fact...breathtaking.
1. "How many Canadians or Brits are rioting in the streets to get an American style Healthcare system?"
How many Americans are 'rioting in the street' for Obamacare?
"Sixty-one percent (61%) of Likely U.S. Voters now at least somewhat favor repeal of the new national health care law, including 50% who Strongly Favor it. [repeal, that is]."
Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports
"Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the health care system, more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared with only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent)."[prior to Obamacare]
10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA
Did you learn anything here, or will you continue to imply that Americans wish 'Canadians or Brits' healthcare?
Let me guess....
2. "How many are without healthcare?" I assume you mean of the socialized set...
First, there are zero Americans without healthcare. Zero.
That goes for visitors and even illegal immigrants.
A relative of mine lives in Canada...and as an American, she cannot get their ersatz healthcare without first paying a considerable fee for a permanent resident card.
Did that skewer you point, or will you repeat is?
Let me guess...
3."How many lost their homes or went bankrupt because of overwhelming medical bills?"
How many ways should I answer this one? Are there other ways one can lose ones home or go bankrupt? Do you have figures for 'Brits and Canadians' who have done so...or how many of them went into debt to support a trip to the US for healthcare?
"Rick Baker helps people, and sometimes even saves lives. He describes a man who had a seizure and received a diagnosis of epilepsy. Dissatisfied with the opinionhe had no family history of epilepsy, but he did have constant headaches and nausea, which arent usually seen in the disorderthe man requested an MRI. The government told him that the wait would be four and a half months. So he went to Baker, who arranged to have the MRI done within 24 hoursand who, after the test discovered a brain tumor, arranged surgery within a few weeks.
Baker isnt a neurosurgeon or even a doctor. Hes a medical broker, one member of a private sector that is rushing in to address the inadequacies of Canadas government care. Canadians pay him to set up surgical procedures, diagnostic tests, and specialist consultations, privately and quickly. I dont have a medical background. I just have some common sense, he explains. I dont need to be a doctor for what I do. Im just expediting care.
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care by David Gratzer, City Journal Summer 2007
What's that, strike three for you?
Let's bend the rules and let you have another swing, you know, the way we do or the youngsters, so they don't lose any self esteem...
4."How many have to choose between prescriptions because they can't afford to pay for them all?"
Boooo-gus!
You see, they don't have the option for many of the life-saving drugs that Americans can get, because the socialized medicine scam only works if you deny folks the expensive stuff...
"The only real way to save money on the scale projected is to ration healthcare services. Optimists say that this can be achieved by increased use of preventive care. But the Canadian experience indicates that when government or its satellite private insurance providers ration healthcare, they cut preventive care first."
TheHill.com on May 12, 2009
and, surprise:
And and interesting side-light is that Canadians pay a higher percentage of healthcare costs out of pocket than do Americans (before Obamacare).
See Docteur and Oxley "Health-Care Systems: Lessons From the Reform Experience,"
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf
Well, there you are,
wingy...sliced and diced.
But I respect your persistence...ignorant, but persistent at it.
