Which comes first: Irrefutable proof...or an investigation toward that irrefutable proof?

[Sun Devil 92]

Like it or not, right wingers......unless ALL of our intelligence agencies and media outlets are in the pocket of Trump. folks like

Page
Manafort
Flynn
Stone
et al

WILL try to save their own hides and throw the orange charlatan's administration under the nearest gutter .....where it belongs.

Defend all you want......and I'll attack all I want.

Yell away....

We can barely hear you. There are so many of your butthurt buddies yelling with you.....that it all runs together and sounds like:

blah blah blah blah blah blah...........

Attack ?

It's like the toothless cat gnawing at your ankle......

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Putin will get his sanctions lifted, and his oil shipping out again. That's all he cares about.

(and we got a Sec, of State, Tillerson, willing to help both his buddy, Putin and his bosses back at Exxon.)

Hahahahahahahahahahaha......

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The actual taping may have been legal, but the dissemination of that intel and unmasking of a US citizen was completely illegal.

Tell THAT to Clinton's staff and how Comey called a news conference a few days before election to tell the entire planet that Clinton was under investigation.....LOL

You are totally correct........

Did it swing the election ? Who knows.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The trump dossier, that came from opposition research during the campaign, where much of the timeline didn't fit with the claimed events, and, widely to believe to be written by Russian former KGB (not by an English speaking Britain), and 100% of what's in the dossier is heresay, 100% ... thats what I call uncorroborated..

Nonsense and inane......HAD the dossier been the ONLY proof presented to a FISA judge I'd tend to agree and ANY judge who would grant surveillance simply based on a foreign dossier should be out of a job.....

HOWEVER, as repeatedly reported by the FBI, no one within that agency would dare jeopardize an investigation by walking into a judge's chambers and simply state, "hey, judge, may I have a warrant based on a foreign guy's gathering of damaging information???....yeah, thanks!!"

THAT is dumb and a flimsy straw to hang on to in your drowning diatribe........ smarten up.

Does not need to.

He's on the field....playing.....

You aren't.

Suck on it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Putin will get his sanctions lifted, and his oil shipping out again. That's all he cares about.

(and we got a Sec, of State, Tillerson, willing to help both his buddy, Putin and his bosses back at Exxon.)

All this treason over oil.
May the GOP never win another election.

Good luck showing that or proving it.

The GOP will wipe out the left in 2018....better than 2016.

 

[theHawk]

The actual taping may have been legal, but the dissemination of that intel and unmasking of a US citizen was completely illegal.

Tell THAT to Clinton's staff and how Comey called a news conference a few days before election to tell the entire planet that Clinton was under investigation.....LOL

Nice deflection. The investigation of Hillary had nothing to do with wiretaps. She broke the law by using a private server, period. The FBI was obligated to investigate it and there was no reason not to announce it. Her only defense was she was too stupid to know the rules, which we all know is a lie.

 

[theHawk]

What you right wing morons refuse to acknowledge (mostly because you're too busy licking Trump's fat ass) is that if your beloved Flynn was "illegally" wiretapped, then NO spy would ever be caught fucking up our own country because that spy is an American citizen and, ergo, cannot be placed under surveillance.....

Grow up, idiots.....LOL

I never said he was "illegally" wiretapped. You lamers seem to think that just because the recording of Trump staff was legal, that it somehow makes Trump wrong. The actual taping may have been legal, but the dissemination of that intel and unmasking of a US citizen was completely illegal. Comey and even the Dem members of the House intel committee stated so.

You just can't accept reality and admit Trump was right. His staff was wiretapped (illegally or legally, doesn't matter). The recordings were used in a malicious manner for political purposes by Obama hacks, as opposed to investigation and national security purposes (the only legal cause to wiretap).

please explain to me what you think it is when the National Security Advisor asks for permission from the intelligence agency for a US Person#1 in an intelligence report briefing she was given as part of our national security to be unmasked, means in your head? Do you think unmasking is leaking? Do you think unmasking means everyone with classified clearance gets to see the name when one person asks for permission to see the name? What exactly is it that you think "unmasking" means in relation to the person asking for permission and the person being unmasked?

It means she was abusing her power. There was nothing being discussed in the wiretaps that concerned national security. She is not the head of any intel agency, she is a White House staff member and political cabinet member. She should never had even been briefed on the recordings because they had nothing to do with national security. FISA laws are very clear on how such information can be handled. But, when we have a banana republic third world regime, they do what they want, instead of following the law. Politics first for Dems.

 

[oreo]

You seriously think if there was proof the MSM wouldn't run that 24-7 because they think so highly of the office of president? You have serious mental issues.

Patience, Mikebaby, patience....at this point we do NOT have indictable proof......have patience. LOL

5 months later and still nothing


LMFAO

It's definitely coming. As they have stated--They are taking their time with this as they want to make certain they have it all, before the sworn testimony and hearings start.

The Russians were being wiretapped all along. They have Trump surrogates on recording with not only the Russian ambassador but with Russian intelligence agents also.

" More information came in to U.S. hands from members of the “Five Eyes” alliance that includes the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand."

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

So where are we so far:

1. CLEVELAND during the RNC Convention: July 2016 Trump advisers admit to meeting, with Russian ambassador--this includes Carter Page who we recently found out had a FISA warrant issued on him. This only (after Jeff Sessions was accused of lying under oath to congress.)

Gordon had advocated for language in the GOP platform that the Ukrainians not be armed in their battle against pro-Russian separatists, an effort was ultimately successful. But Gordon says he was simply advocating what Trump himself had expressed -- that he did not wish to see major war break out over the situation in Ukraine.

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

2. John McCain wants to know what that clause was put in the platform:



3. We know that the Trump administration (5 times) denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season.
Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia

The biggest denier of all--Donald Trump

4. Jeff Sessions accused of lying under oath during his confirmation hearing. According to a source it's not unusual for member on the armed service committee to meet with Foreign ambassadors, but none of the other 13 on this committee had met with the Russian ambassador, only Sessions did twice during the campaign season.Sessions also filled out a questionaire prior to the confirmation hearing and stated that he had no contact with any Russians and signed it. Sessions then recuses himself from the Russian investigation. He has refused to go back to congress to answer more questions, under oath.
Sessions recuses himself from Russia investigations - CNNPolitics.com

When he was asked in his confirmation hearing what he would do if there was evidence anyone associated with Donald Trump’s presidential campaign had communicated with the Russians, Sessions replied that he wasn’t aware of any such “activities,” and added, “I did not have communications with the Russians.” A questionnaire he filled out for the committee also asked whether he had had contact with the Russians, to which Sessions, according to the Post, wrote, “No.”

Jeff Sessions spoke twice with Russian envoy during presidential campaign: Department of Justice

5. General Flynn also lied to the FBI. Stating he did not have a conversation with the Russian Ambassador regarding the new sanctions that Obama was imposing on Russia for hacking into the election. Obviously the conversation was wiretapped. Flynn gone. Recently we learned that General Flynn was also a paid lobbyist for Turkey receiving over 500K for his services, and while also attention National Security briefings. Flynn is now asking for immunity for his testimony.
Flynn was paid to lobby for Turkey while attending Trump intel briefings: report
Flynn reportedly lied to FBI about sanctions talk with Russian envoy
Graham: Flynn asking for immunity ‘is a bit bizarre’

6. Then this comes out:


CNN confirms it
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

7. Devin Nunes is booted off the chair of the House Intelligence Committee--for running into Trump's office to inform him of what new evidence was showing up. He apolgized to the committee and was booted. Comey cancelled the meeting (behind closed doors) that Nunes had wanted.

Nunes, a member of the Trump's transition team executive committee, set off a stunning new political controversy Wednesday when he headed to the White House to personally brief President Donald Trump on the revelations. Despite being advised against doing so, sources said Nunes met with Republican members of the Intelligence Committee before his news conference, but did not share information with the Democrats on the committee.

Nunes apologizes to House Intel Committee, member says - CNNPolitics.com

Nunes also announced that the committee is bringing in FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Mike Rogers for a second briefing, this time behind closed doors so that they can provide more information. The committee is also delaying its March 28 hearing, a decision infuriating Democrats on the committee. "Chairman just cancelled open Intelligence Committee hearing with (former Director of National Intelligence James) Clapper, (former CIA Director John) Brennan and (former deputy Attorney General Sally) Yates in attempt to choke off public info," Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee tweeted moment before going to speak to the press Friday morning.

House intel committee: Partisan split over canceled open hearing - CNNPolitics.com

8. Roger Stone, a long time friend and campaign adviser to Trump tweets out that he had a back door into Wikileaks and was in contact with the Russian hacker, known as Guccifer 2.0.

In the final months of the 2016 campaign, longtime Donald Trump associate Roger Stone repeatedly discussed his backchannel communications with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and claimed knowledge of forthcoming leaks from the group, a CNN KFile review of his public statements shows. Stone's comments about WikiLeaks have come under increased scrutiny as the FBI and congressional committees investigate whether Trump associates were involved in Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

Trump adviser Roger Stone repeatedly claimed to know of forthcoming WikiLeaks dumps - CNNPolitics.com

President Donald Trump's former campaign adviser and longtime confidante Roger Stone said he exchanged private messages with a hacker implicated in a massive cyberattack that targeted the Democratic National Commitee last year. Stone told Business Insider in an email late Thursday night that he had a private conversation on Twitter with the person, nicknamed "Guccifer 2.0," and that the interaction was so "brief and banal, I had forgotten it."

Top Trump confidante admits to speaking privately with Guccifer 2.0, an alleged Russian cyberspy

9. Adam Schiff-- cochair of the House investigation committee had this to say.



You really couldn't have given Democrats a more powerful weapon than electing Donald Trump. If Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not too hard to imagine what Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction and lies when they take over in 2018. You'll also get a great education on what the Emoluments clause in the Constitution is all about.
The Emoluments Clause: Its text, meaning, and application to Donald J. Trump | Brookings Institution

 

[OKTexas]

We had evidence the first few days. You have nothing after months.

Evidence yet no arrests huh? Weird

Yet you think your no evidence is going to end up in impeachment. Weird.

Personally I don't think there will be impeachment. I think it's a bunch of petty lies for PR purposes. He needs to be called out for all that dishonest shit though, he is our president now.

What dishonest shit?

Seriously now you forgot about Obama's lies?

I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies, so you don't really know what the fuck I think about that do ya? I don't accept lies from anybody on capital hill and I find it curious that you bitch about Obama and Hillary but seem to excuse Trump. What a hypocrite you are.

I guess you don't recall him being named liar of the year either.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

.

 

[Care4all]

What you right wing morons refuse to acknowledge (mostly because you're too busy licking Trump's fat ass) is that if your beloved Flynn was "illegally" wiretapped, then NO spy would ever be caught fucking up our own country because that spy is an American citizen and, ergo, cannot be placed under surveillance.....

Grow up, idiots.....LOL

I never said he was "illegally" wiretapped. You lamers seem to think that just because the recording of Trump staff was legal, that it somehow makes Trump wrong. The actual taping may have been legal, but the dissemination of that intel and unmasking of a US citizen was completely illegal. Comey and even the Dem members of the House intel committee stated so.

You just can't accept reality and admit Trump was right. His staff was wiretapped (illegally or legally, doesn't matter). The recordings were used in a malicious manner for political purposes by Obama hacks, as opposed to investigation and national security purposes (the only legal cause to wiretap).

please explain to me what you think it is when the National Security Advisor asks for permission from the intelligence agency for a US Person#1 in an intelligence report briefing she was given as part of our national security to be unmasked, means in your head? Do you think unmasking is leaking? Do you think unmasking means everyone with classified clearance gets to see the name when one person asks for permission to see the name? What exactly is it that you think "unmasking" means in relation to the person asking for permission and the person being unmasked?

It means she was abusing her power. There was nothing being discussed in the wiretaps that concerned national security. She is not the head of any intel agency, she is a White House staff member and political cabinet member. She should never had even been briefed on the recordings because they had nothing to do with national security. FISA laws are very clear on how such information can be handled. But, when we have a banana republic third world regime, they do what they want, instead of following the law. Politics first for Dems.

The laws are very clear, and all of the House intelligence committee finally got to view all of the intelligence that was given to Susan Rice and her legal unmasking requests and ever single Republican and Democratic Congressman said that the NSA requests for unmasking were necessary for her.

GOT THAT?

You were sold a charade by Rep Nunes and DJT who LIED LIED and LIED about the unmasking.

Oh, and unmasking for Rice on any request, goes through the approval of 3 lawyers and experts on FISA Law at the Intel agency and only if this 3 man committee approves the unmasking, can she get the unmasking and she has to go to the intelligence agency, in to their safe room top SECRET, to get it.

The unmasking is only for her, it's not sent out in some memo and disbursed.

AND the unmasking is for her benefit to understand the NATIONAL SECURITY BRIEFING given to her.....it is NOT willy nilly intelligence thats fun to know gossip...dummy!

Unmasking asked for and approved by 're committee IS NOT DISBURSED and since she did NOT KNOW who the US PERSON was in the briefings, she was NOT asking for Trump people to be unmasked....silly.

 

[Care4all]

Evidence yet no arrests huh? Weird

Yet you think your no evidence is going to end up in impeachment. Weird.

Personally I don't think there will be impeachment. I think it's a bunch of petty lies for PR purposes. He needs to be called out for all that dishonest shit though, he is our president now.

What dishonest shit?

Seriously now you forgot about Obama's lies?

I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies, so you don't really know what the fuck I think about that do ya? I don't accept lies from anybody on capital hill and I find it curious that you bitch about Obama and Hillary but seem to excuse Trump. What a hypocrite you are.

I guess you don't recall him being named liar of the year either.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

.

Learn to read.

The Health Care claim was LIE of the Year.....one single lie.

Obama was not named LIAR of the year.

 

[Care4all]

When has DJT ever told the full truth about anything? Name one thing the chronic LIAR has told the truth about....

 

[paperview]

When has DJT ever told the full truth about anything? Name one thing the chronic LIAR has told the truth about....

That he loves the poorly educated.

 

[Slade3200]

Evidence yet no arrests huh? Weird

Yet you think your no evidence is going to end up in impeachment. Weird.

Personally I don't think there will be impeachment. I think it's a bunch of petty lies for PR purposes. He needs to be called out for all that dishonest shit though, he is our president now.

What dishonest shit?

Seriously now you forgot about Obama's lies?

I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies, so you don't really know what the fuck I think about that do ya? I don't accept lies from anybody on capital hill and I find it curious that you bitch about Obama and Hillary but seem to excuse Trump. What a hypocrite you are.

I guess you don't recall him being named liar of the year either.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

.

I think it's pretty weak that your only response to Trumps dishonesty is trying to point the finger at Obama. You realize that not an argument right. I've never defended one lie by Obama or Clinton, so how about you deal with the topic at hand

 

[Oldstyle]

You seriously think if there was proof the MSM wouldn't run that 24-7 because they think so highly of the office of president? You have serious mental issues.

Patience, Mikebaby, patience....at this point we do NOT have indictable proof......have patience. LOL

Yet you snowflakes keep posting new strings daily proclaiming that it's just a matter of time...don't ya'? Why don't YOU have a little patience and wait until there actually is a shred of proof before you get all lathered up about what might be?

 

[OKTexas]

Yet you think your no evidence is going to end up in impeachment. Weird.

Personally I don't think there will be impeachment. I think it's a bunch of petty lies for PR purposes. He needs to be called out for all that dishonest shit though, he is our president now.

What dishonest shit?

Seriously now you forgot about Obama's lies?

I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies, so you don't really know what the fuck I think about that do ya? I don't accept lies from anybody on capital hill and I find it curious that you bitch about Obama and Hillary but seem to excuse Trump. What a hypocrite you are.

I guess you don't recall him being named liar of the year either.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

.

Learn to read.

The Health Care claim was LIE of the Year.....one single lie.

Obama was not named LIAR of the year.

Health care claim was the lie of the year and your dear leader was the one telling it, makes him liar of the year.

 

[OKTexas]

Yet you think your no evidence is going to end up in impeachment. Weird.

Personally I don't think there will be impeachment. I think it's a bunch of petty lies for PR purposes. He needs to be called out for all that dishonest shit though, he is our president now.

What dishonest shit?

Seriously now you forgot about Obama's lies?

I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies, so you don't really know what the fuck I think about that do ya? I don't accept lies from anybody on capital hill and I find it curious that you bitch about Obama and Hillary but seem to excuse Trump. What a hypocrite you are.

I guess you don't recall him being named liar of the year either.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

.

I think it's pretty weak that your only response to Trumps dishonesty is trying to point the finger at Obama. You realize that not an argument right. I've never defended one lie by Obama or Clinton, so how about you deal with the topic at hand

Actually it was in response to your apparent senility when you said this:

"I don't recall us ever having a discussion about Obamas lies,"

 

[theHawk]

What you right wing morons refuse to acknowledge (mostly because you're too busy licking Trump's fat ass) is that if your beloved Flynn was "illegally" wiretapped, then NO spy would ever be caught fucking up our own country because that spy is an American citizen and, ergo, cannot be placed under surveillance.....

Grow up, idiots.....LOL

I never said he was "illegally" wiretapped. You lamers seem to think that just because the recording of Trump staff was legal, that it somehow makes Trump wrong. The actual taping may have been legal, but the dissemination of that intel and unmasking of a US citizen was completely illegal. Comey and even the Dem members of the House intel committee stated so.

You just can't accept reality and admit Trump was right. His staff was wiretapped (illegally or legally, doesn't matter). The recordings were used in a malicious manner for political purposes by Obama hacks, as opposed to investigation and national security purposes (the only legal cause to wiretap).

please explain to me what you think it is when the National Security Advisor asks for permission from the intelligence agency for a US Person#1 in an intelligence report briefing she was given as part of our national security to be unmasked, means in your head? Do you think unmasking is leaking? Do you think unmasking means everyone with classified clearance gets to see the name when one person asks for permission to see the name? What exactly is it that you think "unmasking" means in relation to the person asking for permission and the person being unmasked?

It means she was abusing her power. There was nothing being discussed in the wiretaps that concerned national security. She is not the head of any intel agency, she is a White House staff member and political cabinet member. She should never had even been briefed on the recordings because they had nothing to do with national security. FISA laws are very clear on how such information can be handled. But, when we have a banana republic third world regime, they do what they want, instead of following the law. Politics first for Dems.

The laws are very clear, and all of the House intelligence committee finally got to view all of the intelligence that was given to Susan Rice and her legal unmasking requests and ever single Republican and Democratic Congressman said that the NSA requests for unmasking were necessary for her.

GOT THAT?

You were sold a charade by Rep Nunes and DJT who LIED LIED and LIED about the unmasking.

Oh, and unmasking for Rice on any request, goes through the approval of 3 lawyers and experts on FISA Law at the Intel agency and only if this 3 man committee approves the unmasking, can she get the unmasking and she has to go to the intelligence agency, in to their safe room top SECRET, to get it.

The unmasking is only for her, it's not sent out in some memo and disbursed.

AND the unmasking is for her benefit to understand the NATIONAL SECURITY BRIEFING given to her.....it is NOT willy nilly intelligence thats fun to know gossip...dummy!

Unmasking asked for and approved by 're committee IS NOT DISBURSED and since she did NOT KNOW who the US PERSON was in the briefings, she was NOT asking for Trump people to be unmasked....silly.

You seem to be forgetting his name was leaked to the press. A felony according to Comey and Himes.

 

[nat4900]

Yet you snowflakes keep posting new strings daily proclaiming that it's just a matter of time...don't ya'?

YES !!!!......Just following the on going investigationS and reminding you "cornflakes" what a fucked up choice you made in the Trumpster.

(I see that you used the term "snowflakes"....Now THAT is quite original. Congrats..LOL)

 

[Oldstyle]

Yet you snowflakes keep posting new strings daily proclaiming that it's just a matter of time...don't ya'?

YES !!!!......Just following the on going investigationS and reminding you "cornflakes" what a fucked up choice you made in the Trumpster.

(I see that you used the term "snowflakes"....Now THAT is quite original. Congrats..LOL)

Some nicknames just plain "fit", Nat! Snowflake perfectly describes most of the liberals on this board!

You're not following proof from the investigations...you're following innuendoes about the investigations.