Zone1 Which Christian teachers do you enjoy?

[FoghornLeghorn]

From Hobelim GI, (Genuine Intelligence):


To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands.

The new covenant is the same as the old covenant which was lost to time after the death of Moses who said;

"I know that after my death you will turn aside from the WAY I taught you to follow the Law and take to degrading practices and become utterly corrupted by the work of your hands." (the temple slaughterhouse)

Jesus just renewed and affirmed the WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law. As Jesus said, its easy. It has nothing to do with killing farm animals, what you eat, wear, or the sexual preferences of consenting adults.

Unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching, and drink his blood, act on it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood. In the doing. So just do it and you will enter the kingdom of Heaven here and now on earth while you still have a body. Not when you die physically or at the end of time, but NOW.


Just do it and you will never know what it is to die.

That's not Christianity.

In any event, I think we need to try and focus on loving one another while we're here and if we do our salvation from the LOF is probably assured.

Matthew 22:36-40
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[hobelim]

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

OK. I hate to break the news to you but if you believe in a trinity that became a sacrificial man who ended Mosaic law then you do not love the only one true living God who never became a man who died for "us" (whoever us is) and never ended his Law. No one who openly and brazenly defies the Law of God is in any sort of state of grace.

And in case you didn't know to worship a man as if he was God, even Jesus, is idolatry. The penalty is death.

You seem to have confused being oblivious with a state of grace and faith in TRUTH with obstinate stupidity.

 

[hobelim]

And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

If you loved your neighbor would you teach them to set aside the first and greatest commandment to worship a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man who died for "us" (whoever us is) which is a brazen defiance of Gods eternal Law that would put them under a curse, "the death" the condemnation of God? But only if what Jesus said about the Law was true, that the Law will remain in effect and full force as long as heaven and earth endure.

You don't know God nor love your neighbor. If you did you wouldn't lie in Gods name or mislead your neighbor to set aside Divine instruction which amounts to intentional murder in the same way Jesus meant by saying "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" even though he literally didn't kill anyone, according to the fairy tale that is.

 

[hobelim]

That's not Christianity.

Exactly my point.

Christians don't seem to know the Jesus they claim to love so much that they celebrate his death and eat him.

The truth is Christianity during the life of Jesus more closely resembled Reform Judaism than any of the over 30,000 Christian denominations out there do. Christianity more perfectly reflects the beliefs and practices of Mithraism, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military. Thats a fact.

Do yourself a favor.

Take a minute out of your busy day perpetuating lies and consider the possibility that you have been misled.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Then (whoever "we" is).... Y'all do not share the belief of Jesus either.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside even one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.."


To understand what Jesus meant by saying "least", see Genesis 3:14

His followers were not kosher

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I think that you are misunderstanding the meaning of Jesus's words. And you may not recognize Paul as a servant and messenger of God but it certainly appears that Peter did.

2 Peter 3:15-16
English Standard Version
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Paul was the Stalin of this theist ideology

 

[hobelim]

His followers were not kosher

Thats the thing. If the Law is to be taken literally they, including Jesus, were all rightly accused of being sinners.

But what Jesus taught, what he claimed to learn from God, is that the subject of Kosher law was not about food, what goes into your mouth and out of your ass. Its about what goes into your mind and out of your mouth.

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then then passes out into the sewer? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the mind, and these defile them. For out of the mind come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person;"

The dilemma is that one cannot interpret and comply with the literal meaning of the words used in kosher law to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE without violating the deeper implications of the exact same words of the exact same Law because "to teach" that the subject of kosher Law is about food is "the flesh" of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then then passes out into the sewer? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the mind, and these defile them. For out of the mind come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person;"
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Nazarene Nag


"Are you still so dull?"—That's what I got from reading the New Testament. Jesus was nasty, bossy, and rude, especially to Peter. Nobody with self-respect would follow a creep like that.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Paul was the Stalin of this theist ideology

You're worthy of the "ignore" list.

 

[hobelim]

"Are you still so dull?"—That's what I got from reading the New Testament. Jesus was nasty, bossy, and rude, especially to Peter. Nobody with self-respect would follow a creep like that.

Yes, he was rude, bossy, and a bit nasty depending on who he was talking to. He also showed mercy and compassion and selfless love to the ones who were suffering, persecuted, and criminalized because of the corruption of the people who he was rude and nasty to. Its not like they didn't deserve it. They were deceiving their own people. The fact is that Jesus was an uncultured working class man whose friends were fishermen, sinners, prostitutes, and all sorts of bad characters. I don't know if you ever knew any fishermen sinners, prostitutes or bad characters but they are not pretentious assholes like the hypocrites in charge were and still are.

This foul mouthed Jesus claimed to receive a revelation from God that there was hidden meaning to the Law that was deliberately being withheld from even the Jewish laity which he saw as defiance to the command of God for the Law to be "a light to the nations", meaning the Law is to enlighten everyone, including the despised Romans.

Whether you like him or not or don't know why he was rude to hypocrites and lying frauds he was right.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.


On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.


Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline.



My question to you is who would follow anyone, however narcissistic, highly respected, or obsequious they pretend to be, who teaches that the Law of God is to be taken literally when there is obviously hidden meaning to the Law that must be fulfilled to receive the promise of life. If the consequence for not fulfilling the Laws demands is death then all who perpetuate the literal application of the Law are murderers, whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim, in the same way that Jesus meant by saying "Satan was a murderer from the beginning".

According to the fairy tale that is.