Zone1 Which Christian teachers do you enjoy?

[sealybobo]

No, I mistakenly gleaned that you're an atheist trolling a Christian thread based on your sarcastic remark "I prefer my fiction to have scifi."

He's trolling you.

 

[ding]

And just a tad convenient too... you'd think.

Actually it’s really hard to go against self interest.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I like this guy. He's a universalist and a full preterist, meaning he believes that ALL will eventually be in God's Kingdom and that many of the prophecies that Jesus made during his ministry, including Revelation, were fulfilled in 70 AD.

But that's not why I enjoy his channel. He does a very good job of talking about how we are supposed to be imitators of Christ in day-to-day life. The following video is about 25 minutes.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So you're only here to troll. Got it.

I'd Rather Be a Troll Than a Trollop (Like Mary Magdalene)

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

No. If you're a Christian, you should already be a citizen of that kingdom.

There is no perfect Christian. We all must be cleansed before we can step foot in the Heavenly Kingdom, which has gates and walls.

 

[norwegen]

There is no perfect Christian. We all must be cleansed before we can step foot in the Heavenly Kingdom, which has gates and walls.

The first Christians were citizens of the kingdom. He kingdom had arrived.

But you go your way. I'll believe the Scriptures.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

The first Christians were citizens of the kingdom. He kingdom had arrived.

But you go your way. I'll believe the Scriptures.

Yes, the Kingdom is here.

Are you saying that, upon death, there is no further cleansing process prior to entering Heaven?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is no perfect Christian. We all must be cleansed before we can step foot in the Heavenly Kingdom, which has gates and walls.

Domination Through Damnation

 

[hobelim]

There is no perfect Christian. We all must be cleansed before we can step foot in the Heavenly Kingdom, which has gates and walls.

The Law of God is the firmament, basis, of Heaven. If you don't comply with the Laws demands in the same WAY that Jesus taught, the same WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law, you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven, neither can you have the abundant blessings and eternal life promised for compliance within you, here and now on earth before you die a physical death. If a person does not rise from the dead before death they will be judged according to their words and deeds. That should terrify a lot of so called "believers". Those who do rise to eternal life while still alive are no longer subject to judgment. They have already passed from death to life.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

If you don't comply with the Laws demands in the same WAY that Jesus taught, the same WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law, you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven

I don't share your belief. We are no longer under Mosiac Law. We are under grace.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Domination Through Damnation

Faithful Christians are cleansed/healed the nice and easy way. Others are also cleansed/healed but they must go through the "Lake of Fire" process. In the end, ALL who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom!

 

[hobelim]

I don't share your belief. We are no longer under Mosiac Law. We are under grace.

Then (whoever "we" is).... Y'all do not share the belief of Jesus either.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside even one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.."


To understand what Jesus meant by saying "least", see Genesis 3:14

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Then (whoever "we" is).... Y'all do not share the belief of Jesus either.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside even one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.."


To understand what Jesus meant by saying "least", see Genesis 3:14

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[hobelim]

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Thanks for providing a perfect example of Paul brazenly contradicting the WORDS of Jesus himself.

Well done!

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Thanks for providing a perfect example of Paul brazenly contradicting the WORDS of Jesus himself.

Well done!

I think that you are misunderstanding the meaning of Jesus's words. And you may not recognize Paul as a servant and messenger of God but it certainly appears that Peter did.

2 Peter 3:15-16
English Standard Version
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

 

[hobelim]

I think that you are misunderstanding the meaning of Jesus's words.

Jesus was clear. The Law of God will remain in effect and in full force for as long as Heaven and earth endure.

Many people who claim to believe in and worship God yet openly sin every single day are not under any grace.

They are under the condemnation of God.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

The Law of God will remain in effect and in full force for as long as Heaven and earth endure.

From Google AI:

In preterism, the phrase "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter... will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" is understood to mean that the Old Covenant laws would be fully fulfilled and set aside by the time of Christ's return and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, as these events marked the "accomplishment" of everything in the Law and the fulfillment of prophecies about the end of that era. Jesus didn't abolish the law but came to fulfill it, and that fulfillment was complete with the end of the Mosaic system and the coming of the New Covenant.

 

[hobelim]

 

[hobelim]

Domination Through Damnation

 

[hobelim]

From Google AI:

In preterism, the phrase "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter... will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" is understood to mean that the Old Covenant laws would be fully fulfilled and set aside by the time of Christ's return and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, as these events marked the "accomplishment" of everything in the Law and the fulfillment of prophecies about the end of that era. Jesus didn't abolish the law but came to fulfill it, and that fulfillment was complete with the end of the Mosaic system and the coming of the New Covenant.
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From Hobelim GI, (Genuine Intelligence):


To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands.

The new covenant is the same as the old covenant which was lost to time after the death of Moses who said;

"I know that after my death you will turn aside from the WAY I taught you to follow the Law and take to degrading practices and become utterly corrupted by the work of your hands." (the temple slaughterhouse)

Jesus just renewed and affirmed the WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law. As Jesus said, its easy. It has nothing to do with killing farm animals, what you eat, wear, or the sexual preferences of consenting adults.

Unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching, and drink his blood, act on it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood. In the doing. So just do it and you will enter the kingdom of Heaven here and now on earth while you still have a body. Not when you die physically or at the end of time, but NOW.


Just do it and you will never know what it is to die.