Where's the reform?

[Missourian]

Where is the reform in Health Care Reform?

Has the point, reducing costs of health insurance, been lost?

 

[Meister]

Where is the reform in Health Care Reform?

Has the point, reducing costs of health insurance, been lost?

I do see the point your making, Missourian. Unfortunately, the sheep will only follow the anointed one.
It's not about healthcare, or its costs, but IT IS about the expansion of government.

 

[saveliberty]

US health care tab to keep growing under overhaul - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – A new government report is sending a sober economic warning to Democrats trying to push President Barack Obama's health care overhaul plan through the Senate.

The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating. It also calls into question the Democrats' plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it "may be unrealistic."
In more bad news, the report released Friday warns that a new long-term care insurance plan included in the legislation could "face a significant risk of failure."

Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Librul dictionary

Reform. verb. 1. To have the government take over, 2. A ruse to have people surrender their freedoms

 

[uscitizen]

As I predicted long ago. What we get out of "Health Care Reform" will suit no one except the insurance and health care companies.

It was inevitable due to extensive renting of our government by lobbyists.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Reform was never the point, better care was never the point, insuring the uninsured was never the point. They were all just distractions. Government take over and handing Barry a 'win' was, is and always will be the point.

 

[Missourian]

US health care tab to keep growing under overhaul - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – A new government report is sending a sober economic warning to Democrats trying to push President Barack Obama's health care overhaul plan through the Senate.

The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating. It also calls into question the Democrats' plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it "may be unrealistic."
In more bad news, the report released Friday warns that a new long-term care insurance plan included in the legislation could "face a significant risk of failure."

Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!!!

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

"the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating."
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First the no-stimulus stimulus and now the no reform Healthcare Reform.

 

[Navy1960]

I've been saying this for a while now, these healthcare measures have nothing to do with reform at all, you only need to look at 2 things, One is that the bill will actually cause health insurance premiums to rise 10 to 13 % over the next 10 years according the CBO and place upon the states billions in unfunded mandates for medicaid and funnel more than 21 million Americans into state medicaid. I don't know if anyone has noticed lately but most states outside of Texas are on the verge of bankruptcy and what do you suppose additional unfunded mandates are going to do? So more than a few posters are right, first this bill is about getting the BIG W for 2010 mid-terms and second it is about expanding federal power. The sad thing about this is many people are under the mistaken impression that this so called reform has something to do with keeping those mean old insurance companies honest, when the real funny thing is that those are the companies that stand to be the only ones that will make a LOT of money on this deal. So I fail to understand how anyone can be in favor of this bill if they are for true healthcare reform.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I've been saying this for a while now, these healthcare measures have nothing to do with reform at all, you only need to look at 2 things, One is that the bill will actually cause health insurance premiums to rise 10 to 13 % over the next 10 years according the CBO and place upon the states billions in unfunded mandates for medicaid and funnel more than 21 million Americans into state medicaid. I don't know if anyone has noticed lately but most states outside of Texas are on the verge of bankruptcy and what do you suppose additional unfunded mandates are going to do? So more than a few posters are right, first this bill is about getting the BIG W for 2010 mid-terms and second it is about expanding federal power. The sad thing about this is many people are under the mistaken impression that this so called reform has something to do with keeping those mean old insurance companies honest, when the real funny thing is that those are the companies that stand to be the only ones that will make a LOT of money on this deal. So I fail to understand how anyone can be in favor of this bill if they are for true healthcare reform.

Not too many people do support these bills. In fact all of the recent polls show Americans are solidly opposed to them.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

You've got to wonder what the Dem leadership can be thinking. Do they really believe they can pass a bill the majority of Americans are so opposed to and not be punished next November?

 

[Navy1960]

I've been saying this for a while now, these healthcare measures have nothing to do with reform at all, you only need to look at 2 things, One is that the bill will actually cause health insurance premiums to rise 10 to 13 % over the next 10 years according the CBO and place upon the states billions in unfunded mandates for medicaid and funnel more than 21 million Americans into state medicaid. I don't know if anyone has noticed lately but most states outside of Texas are on the verge of bankruptcy and what do you suppose additional unfunded mandates are going to do? So more than a few posters are right, first this bill is about getting the BIG W for 2010 mid-terms and second it is about expanding federal power. The sad thing about this is many people are under the mistaken impression that this so called reform has something to do with keeping those mean old insurance companies honest, when the real funny thing is that those are the companies that stand to be the only ones that will make a LOT of money on this deal. So I fail to understand how anyone can be in favor of this bill if they are for true healthcare reform.

Not too many people do support these bills. In fact all of the recent polls show Americans are solidly opposed to them.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

You've got to wonder what the Dem leadership can be thinking. Do they really believe they can pass a bill the majority of Americans are so opposed to and not be punished next November?

I personally don't think that the opinions of the American people matter much at all to those that are determined to pass this legislation. In fact as I have said before even those that had advocated that healthcare reform help do something about the high cost of healthcare , which includes premiums are going to be very disappointed in this legislation as well. So that leaves more or less an effort to get one in the win column before the mid-terms in hopes that it will help on the campaign trail. Seems an awful big sacrifice to make just to say you passed a bill.

 

[saveliberty]

Let's review reform.

Purposes:

A. Reduce the cost of health care. Not happening, it will cost MORE than leaving it alone.
B. Bring health care to everyone. Still missing 7% of Americans. Rationing will most likely happen.
C. Quality will be improved. Cuts in benefits for seniors and annual cost caps make this unlikely.
D. Bring more control by government to your life. Wildly successful. In fact it will do the same of the
next generations too.

 

[Christopher]

Let's review reform.

Purposes:

A. Reduce the cost of health care. Not happening, it will cost MORE than leaving it alone.
B. Bring health care to everyone. Still missing 7% of Americans. Rationing will most likely happen.
C. Quality will be improved. Cuts in benefits for seniors and annual cost caps make this unlikely.
D. Bring more control by government to your life. Wildly successful. In fact it will do the same of the
next generations too.

Regarding item A, this is just as the CBO said on the stimulus bill, that passing the stimulus bill would be more harmful in the long run.

 

[PixieStix]

It is a scam

 

[slackjawed]

"For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the Crisis Strategy was the brainchild of two radical socialist college professors, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The idea was to overwhelm government with demands for services to the point where the system would collapse and provide an opening for the socialists to take over"

American Thinker: Manufactured Healthcare Crisis

 

[Missourian]

My Senator, Claire McCaskgill (D-MO) is keeping her eye on the ball.

"The whole reason we're doing this bill is to bring down cost, first for the American people in health care, and secondly for the deficit," said Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri. "So until we get the numbers back from the Congressional Budget Office, we're all on hold."

Asked if she would vote against the bill if it raised health care costs overall, she said, "Absolutely."

Medicare buy-in plan runs into resistance - Health care- msnbc.com​

 

[saveliberty]

Interesting article on the reform:

From Awful to Worse

 

[Claudette]

I've been saying this for a while now, these healthcare measures have nothing to do with reform at all, you only need to look at 2 things, One is that the bill will actually cause health insurance premiums to rise 10 to 13 % over the next 10 years according the CBO and place upon the states billions in unfunded mandates for medicaid and funnel more than 21 million Americans into state medicaid. I don't know if anyone has noticed lately but most states outside of Texas are on the verge of bankruptcy and what do you suppose additional unfunded mandates are going to do? So more than a few posters are right, first this bill is about getting the BIG W for 2010 mid-terms and second it is about expanding federal power. The sad thing about this is many people are under the mistaken impression that this so called reform has something to do with keeping those mean old insurance companies honest, when the real funny thing is that those are the companies that stand to be the only ones that will make a LOT of money on this deal. So I fail to understand how anyone can be in favor of this bill if they are for true healthcare reform.

Not too many people do support these bills. In fact all of the recent polls show Americans are solidly opposed to them.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

You've got to wonder what the Dem leadership can be thinking. Do they really believe they can pass a bill the majority of Americans are so opposed to and not be punished next November?

I personally don't think that the opinions of the American people matter much at all to those that are determined to pass this legislation. In fact as I have said before even those that had advocated that healthcare reform help do something about the high cost of healthcare , which includes premiums are going to be very disappointed in this legislation as well. So that leaves more or less an effort to get one in the win column before the mid-terms in hopes that it will help on the campaign trail. Seems an awful big sacrifice to make just to say you passed a bill.

Your right. They don't give a shit what we the taxpayer want. The clowns in DC know best. The just want to pass something, anything, so they can be part of the "history" of signing something into law.

I'm one American who wants reform in the cost of healthcare. I don't want them to revamp the whole system. They are literally ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.