Where would we be if Trump were president?

[DBA]

Kids, this is your brain on partisan politics.

Sure, and indoctrinated Democrats like yourself are so open to alternative viewpoints.

 

[playtime]

If no one was driving because of the Chinese virus, why would Trump have needed to do anything?

they knew it was coming HERE, & did NOTHING! why exclude actual scientists which was never done before? THEY knew what mitigation could have been done HERE b4 it hit & yet he did

NOTHING.

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources​

MARCH 11, 202012:29 PM UPDATED 2 YEARS AGO
By Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 MIN READ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.“This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people. *
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

 

[kyzr]

they knew it was coming HERE, & did NOTHING! why exclude actual scientists which was never done before? THEY knew what mitigation could have been done HERE b4 it hit & yet he did

NOTHING.

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources​

MARCH 11, 202012:29 PM UPDATED 2 YEARS AGO
By Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 MIN READ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.“This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people. *
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

1. Fau-Chi paid the Wuhan Lab to do dangerous "gain of function" research
2. The virus escaped and caused a pandemic that killed millions of people
3. Democrats did nothing to end the pandemic
4. Trump's "Warp-Speed" initiative developed Covid vaccines in record time, an unheard of 10-months.
5. The Biden admin can't even keep baby formula on shelves, duh.

 

[Meathead]

they knew it was coming HERE, & did NOTHING! why exclude actual scientists which was never done before? THEY knew what mitigation could have been done HERE b4 it hit & yet he did

NOTHING.

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources​

MARCH 11, 202012:29 PM UPDATED 2 YEARS AGO
By Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 MIN READ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.“This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people. *
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

You're a pretty disingenuous dingbat. You said no one was driving anywhere so gas prices were low, yet argued that Trump did nothing. HTF does that work?

 

[AntonToo]

Sure, and indoctrinated Democrats like yourself are so open to alternative viewpoints.

BS. I'm open to facts and can usually tell braindead partisanship from sound causality.

 

[Lisa558]

I'd not count on signs in the NOtVA blue-burbs.....Lots of split vote households there.....I saw a lot more Romney signs than Halfrican signs and you saw how that turned out.

Bear in mind that Youngkin did not win a single NOtVA county, he just cut into the percentages enough for a win due to the massive turn-out in the hinterland counties..

I never would expect that a Republican would actually win a northern Virginia county. But the fact that he even cut into ultra-liberal land to the degree that he did - I believe Loudoun was 45% - shows that the country is rejecting the radical left nonsense, particularly as it relates to the schools.

 

[DBA]

BS. I'm open to facts and can usually tell braindead partisanship from sound causality.

Obviously not if you don’t see the damage this administration has done and continues to do to this economy. Deep down, you must know that we would not be in this mess with Trump in office. Yes, you would have to put up with some mean tweets and some rambling off topic speeches on occasion, but so be it.

 

[AntonToo]

Obviously not if you don’t see the damage this administration has done and continues to do to this economy. Deep down, you must know that we would not be in this mess with Trump in office. Yes, you would have to put up with some mean tweets and some rambling off topic speeches on occasion, but so be it.

What damage?

Lay out the causality between policy and economic effects.

And no dummy, I don't for a second think we wouldn't have economic issues with Trump, that is the very definition of partisan fantasies.

 

[DBA]

What damage?

Lay out the causality.

There are countless threads and links on this forum pointing to the damage. You choose to ignore them or discount them because you must defend at all cost. That is on you. If you are interesting in actually figuring out why our economy is crashing, do some real research on this administration’s policies and don’t believe the spoon fed crap you read on the MSM.

 

[gipper]

The media that suppressed the Hunter Biden story effectively changed the course of America, and not in a good way. What would have been different if the media had been honest?

1) We would still be energy independent, and gas prices would be substantially lower, along with everything else dependent on transportation - like groceries.

2) The illegals would still be in Mexico, and not using limited resources - like baby formula - that Americans need.

3) Inflation would be lower, albeit still raised, since the last “print money” scheme otherwise deceptively called the infrastructure bill would not have happened.

4) We would not have abandoned thousands of Americans to the Taliban.

More divided than ever.

 

[AntonToo]

There are countless threads and links on this forum pointing to the damage. You choose to ignore them or discount them because you must defend at all cost. That is on you.

I'm usually in those threads explaining to partisan idiots like you why correlation does not establish serious causation.

So come on, let's have it.

 

[playtime]

You're a pretty disingenuous dingbat. You said no one was driving anywhere so gas prices were low, yet argued that Trump did nothing. HTF does that work?

follow the bouncing ball ...........

donny did nothing to mitigate the virus when there was time to do so ... thus allowing it to spread & kill off hundreds of thousands of americans ... thus causing a shutdown of most non essential biz'nez ... thus putting millions of people outa work ... thus millions of people stayed off the roads .... thus the demand plummeted ... thus the prices plummeted....

thus ....


DUH.

 

[DBA]

I'm usually in those threads explaining to partisan idiots like you why correlation does not establish serious causation.

So come on, let's have it.

Really, so where do you want to start? Would you like to make the argument that this administration is not in large part responsible for our current energy crisis? Only partisan hacks attempt to make sure an argument.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

follow the bouncing ball ...........

donny did nothing to mitigate the virus when there was time to do so ... thus allowing it to spread & kill off hundreds of thousands of americans ... thus causing a shutdown of most non essential biz'nez ... thus putting millions of people outa work ... thus millions of people stayed off the roads .... thus the demand plummeted ... thus the prices plummeted....

thus ....


DUH.

And yet he had less deaths under his watch than Dementia. Imagine that.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

U.S. Legal News
March 25, 2020 / 10:26 PM / 4 months ago
Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak

Marisa Taylor
11 Min Read
Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak

& donny knew since january that the virus was heading our way & chose to ignore it, despite the many warnings & pleas from our intel community & scientists. but what did donny do, besides ignore them?

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe
By MYAH WARD
04/15/2020 06:27 PM EDT

POLITICO has compiled a list of 15 times the president hailed China for its push to prevent a pandemic in the early months of 2020 — an effort that ultimately failed:

Jan. 22, Twitter:
“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”
Jan. 24, Twitter:
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:
“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”


Jan. 30, Fox News interview:
"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."

Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:
"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb. 7, Twitter:
“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:
"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”

Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:
"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:
“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”

Feb. 13, Fox News interview:
“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:
“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”

Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:
"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"

Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:
“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”
Feb. 27, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”

Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:
“China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”
15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

When Trump covered for China’s alleged coronavirus coverup

The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump was advised twice in January to press China to be more transparent about the outbreak in Wuhan. But Trump ignored the advice:


In fact, Trump didn’t just decline the suggestions; he actually went in the opposite direction. Trump repeatedly praised China’s coronavirus response through late February. And on two different occasions, he actually vouched for China’s transparency, despite the advice.
Trump did so voluntarily on Jan. 24, tweeting, “The United States greatly appreciates [China’s] efforts and transparency.” He was then asked directly on Feb. 7 whether he was “concerned that China is covering up the full extent of coronavirus.” He said flatly, “No. … They’re working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-covered-chinas-alleged-coronavirus-coverup/







oh & this was fun to find out as our own healthcare workers had to resort to wearing trashbags.

U.S. exported millions in masks and ventilators ahead of the coronavirus crisis
Dian Zhang, Erin Mansfield, Dinah Voyles Pulver
USA TODAY
April 2, 2020 Updated April 3, 2020

U.S. exports of surgical masks, ventilators and other personal protective gear to China skyrocketed in January and February, when the coronavirus was wreaking havoc in the country where it began and as U.S. intelligence agencies warned it would soon spread.
U.S. exported millions in masks and ventilators ahead of the coronavirus crisis

just like he wasn't responsible( in any kinda good way ) for the low gas prices - of which you failed to spin your way.



i'm an indy ... & i'll bet i've voted for more (R)s than you could ever dream to vote for a (D).

What a steaming pile.

Our staff in Wuhan was reduced because the Chinese were not cooperating and not keeping their committments.

Trump followed the "experts" advice all along with the exception of the Travel ban which they opposed loud and long declaring it to be racist, xenophobic, and not helpful.

China refused entry to both the US and WHO pandemic response teams and would not even release any genetic data until Jan 3rd and would not release the full Genome until June.

January 20th the WHO team met and chose instead of declaring a pandemic in China to simply monitor the situation.

On the 21st we had the first confirmed case in the US.

22 January the WH forms a task force to monitor the outbreak and come up with preventive and combative strategies.

31 Jan public health emergency declared by the administration putting full federal resources and emergency funding to work.

February 4 the FDA approves the first Covid test and goes into full production.

It goes on and on. By the first of March we only had 11 confirmed cases in the US.

CDC Museum COVID-19 Timeline

Moments in the COVID-19 pandemic from its known origins to today.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Big Bend Texas]

What damage?

Lay out the causality between policy and economic effects.

And no dummy, I don't for a second think we wouldn't have economic issues with Trump, that is the very definition of partisan fantasies.

Embargo on Russian Petroleum pushed by Biden cut off 30% of Europe's petroleum immediately driving the prices sky high over a period of 3 months.

Instead of relaxing restrictions on US exploration and production he goes begging to the Saudis, OPEC, and VZ to increase production to help us out.

3 weeks ago they cancelled yet another big lease auction for prime drilling areas off shore in the Gulf.

Closing 90% of Anwar to new exploration and production.

Those are just a few starters.

 

[Meathead]

follow the bouncing ball ...........

donny did nothing to mitigate the virus when there was time to do so ... thus allowing it to spread & kill off hundreds of thousands of americans ... thus causing a shutdown of most non essential biz'nez ... thus putting millions of people outa work ... thus millions of people stayed off the roads .... thus the demand plummeted ... thus the prices plummeted....

thus ....


DUH.

He was racist when he stopped flights from China. That was doing something. Once the virus hit the US, Pandora's box opened. No one anywhere in the world stopped it and I doubt many lives were saved by shutting down economies, yet the Trump economy persevered. It wasn't until Brandon took over that we have economic as well the Chinese virus blight. Kudos to Fauci on this btw.

Thus the ball bounces.

 

[AntonToo]

Really, so where do you want to start? Would you like to make the argument that this administration is not in large part responsible for our current energy crisis? Only partisan hacks attempt to make sure an argument.

This "argument" is made couple of times a day by Healthmyths, and I'm usually in those threads explaining how silly and divorced from serious causality his claims are.

To believe that Biden single handedly caused Covid disruptions and worldwide shortages is fucking INSANE.

I'm 2020 oil companies and investors lost their shirt and production cratered (Trump was in office last I checked, not Biden). What the hell did you think was going to happen? Production scale like that doesn't just recover overnight.

 

[DBA]

This "argument" is made couple of times a day by Healthmyths, and I'm usually in those threads explaining how silly and divorced from serious causality his claims are.

To believe that Biden single handedly caused worldwide shortages is fucking INSANE.

I didn’t say single handedly, however to ignore the fact that his policies have significantly exacerbated the problem is purely partisan.

 

[AntonToo]

I didn’t say single handedly, however to ignore the fact that his policies have significantly exacerbated the problem is purely partisan.

Which policies? You keep saying this, but can't name any of them.