Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

Thanks for helping me to show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate and for so generously demonstration for all to see the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for failing to comply with Divine instruction.

Well done!

Now run along. Oinker.
You show your true colors by dismissing the rest and not acknowledging the truth of the most important parts of my post. Why not discuss the concepts presented? Much was in response to your concept that Christ was only human.
 
You show your true colors by dismissing the rest and not acknowledging the truth of the most important parts of my post. Why not discuss the concepts presented? Much was in response to your concept that Christ was only human.
OK, fair enough. Is this what you would like to discuss?

"My conclusion is that a body was prepared for Jehovah with the egg of Mary (human) and the seed of the Father (god through en vitro fertilization by the Holy Ghost) to form a spiritual sinless human being that would be the final atonement or sacrifice so that if we accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior and redeemer, our sins can be washed away and forgiven forever."

Are you really sure you want me to discuss this with you and carve it up like a Christmas ham?

I stand in the sanctuary of God with a sharp knife. If you do, I will be as kind as humanly possible.
 
"Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
Luke 12:52,53

This quote of Jesus is a reference to the creation story where God creates light, spoken into existence, to divide the day from the night. The light being his revelation about the figurative language and consequently the deeper implications of the Law given as a "light to the nations."

What you do at mass is a brazen defiance of both the literal and figurative meanings of the Law.

Now is the parting of the sheep from the goats. The difference between good and evil is clear.

Pick a side already. There is no longer any excuse for you being paralyzed by memorial bondage.
You can't even interpret Leviticus 18:22 correctly. This is way over your head.
 
The Spirit of Kosher law is to stand guard over the purity of your own mind by choosing between clean and unclean teaching of people who by their attributes resemble every creature in nature.
Oh, you mean like men having sex with men like they would a woman? Yeah, that's pretty unclean and animalistic alright.
 
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I have not condemned anyone. I have openly revealed the way that both Jesus and Moses originally taught to follow the Law that fulfills the promise of eternal life here and now on earth.

So kill me... lol



God never became a man. Jesus, a man, was killed for sedition by teaching the right way to follow the Law which condemns narcissists, (Gen 3:14), swine THAT DO NOT RUMINATE, dogs, worms, vultures, teeming vermin that go down on all fours, etc, not to atone for anyone else's sins but to show the only right way to slaughter fat beasts in compliance with the Laws of ritual slaughter.



Lost the meaning of animal sacrifice? WTF! There never was any meaning to animal sacrifice. Its about as meaningful and effective as praying to the moon, or seeking spiritual life from a matzo.

It was and still is just a con. Kill a goat, for a price, and your sins are forgiven? How stupid is that?

So if animal sacrifice is wrong, "But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” how much more wrong is it to participate in celebrating the crucifixion of Jesus, a human, whether symbolic or otherwise? Its reprehensible.

So, think! How much even more fucked up is it to celebrate the sacrificial death of your God if you believe that he became a man, Jesus, so that you can avoid accountability for your own sins?

How satanic is that, to believe that God died so you can sin with impunity for life?? What a rube!
Didn't you ever learn the lessons taught in the fairy tale of A&E and the talking serpent in Eden?

Not for nothing sweetie, but you really need to go back to the drawing board, if you hope to live.

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24,000 written manuscripts say God did choose to be born into this world to testify to the truth, suffer death and reconcile justice with mercy. ;)
 
Thanks for helping me to show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate and for so generously demonstration for all to see the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for failing to comply with Divine instruction.

Well done!

Now run along. Oinker.
You mean like Leviticus 18:22?
 
I stand in the sanctuary of God...

Simon Magus, is that you? It's been a while. Not sure why you keep doubting the power of God through Christ - the last time you did, it didn't work out so well, did it?

And for what it's worth, from everything I've read about Simon Magus - was he a "heretic" to Christianity at the time? Likely, yes.

Was he "The son of perdition" and/or the "Anti- Christ" - as early Christians labeled him - and specifically referenced in the "Book of Revelation" as the "False Prophet of Babylon"? If you were a Christian at the time, he would likely fit the role.

But over the course of the past 2000 years I could think of hundreds - maybe thousands - of people who have done much worse and caused far more damage to God's people and to this world. Just my opinion.

The reality is that much of what he wrote/accomplished was destroyed by early Christians so there isn't enough "evidence" to judge him as the Anti-Christ and/or "False Prophet" of Babylon - not 2000 years later, anyway, (In my humble opinion).

See, folks, THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER DESTROY History Books/Scrolls/monuments/, etc BOTH THE "GOOD" and "THE BAD" in history should always be preserved and simply regarded as "what they are" . This is what makes a civilization WISE.
 
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See, folks, THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER DESTROY History Books/Scrolls/monuments/, etc BOTH THE "GOOD" and "THE BAD" in history should always be preserved and simply regarded as "what they are"
Thats right folks!

History teaches that the Catholic Church since its inception in 325 CE assimilated and perverted Christianity with the existing secret "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the roman government and military. Mithraism had seven sacraments which your church follows identically. Caesar conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world the Antichrist, a god made man made matzo made by human hands, a triune virgin diddling mangod that you worship and eat for spiritual life, whose miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally has terminally possessed your soul.

Your church since 325 CE set out to conquer the world under the sign of the Mithran cross, using "the power of death" consequent to defying the commands of God to subjugate the nations enabling every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird to grow rich by fleecing the accursed, and burying the teaching of Jesus, the Actual Body of Christ, under a mountain of blasphemy.

Apparently it still works like a charm! But not for much longer. Sorry. I sincerely apologize! :auiqs.jpg:
 
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Thats right folks!

History teaches that the Catholic Church since its inception in 325 CE assimilated and perverted Christianity with the existing secret "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the roman government and military. Mithraism, had seven sacraments which your church follows identically. Caesar conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world the Antichrist, a god made man made matzo made by human hands, a triune virgin diddling mangod that you worship and eat for spiritual life, whose miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally has terminally possessed your soul.

Your church since 325 CE set out to conquer the world under the sign of the Mithran cross, using "the power of death" consequent to defying the commands of God to subjugate the nations enabling every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird to grow rich by fleecing the accursed, by burying the teaching of Jesus, the Actual Body of Christ, under a mountain of blasphemy

Apparently it still works like a charm! But not for much longer. Sorry. I sincerely apologize! :auiqs.jpg:
So massive conspiracy?

How do you explain the 24,000 written manuscripts which detail the ministry, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, the behaviors of the early Christians and the behaviors of the apostles, all of which occurred before 325 CE?
 
OK, fair enough. Is this what you would like to discuss?

"My conclusion is that a body was prepared for Jehovah with the egg of Mary (human) and the seed of the Father (god through en vitro fertilization by the Holy Ghost) to form a spiritual sinless human being that would be the final atonement or sacrifice so that if we accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior and redeemer, our sins can be washed away and forgiven forever."

Are you really sure you want me to discuss this with you and carve it up like a Christmas ham?

I stand in the sanctuary of God with a sharp knife. If you do, I will be as kind as humanly possible.
How would you carve this up? You can certainly offer your opinions on the subject. However, it would be helpful to first understand this is my testimony that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of the Father God. Part human and part God when he was here on the earth. He's now resurrected and now 100% God. I know this to be true because I asked God the Father and received a direct response from the Holy Ghost, the 3rd member of the Godhead. Now, proceed knowing that I've heard it all before. Take your best shot.
 
How would you carve this up? You can certainly offer your opinions on the subject
Well, 1st of all its not "my opinion" that for a female egg with 23 chromosomes to conceive and become a human being it needs 23 chromosomes from a human father. Thats right there is a fact

2nd, there never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. God is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form.
The entire Bible denounces the irrational belief that a man, like caesar, even Jesus, could be God.

"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind."

Jesus was just a first century froward Jewish man who had a revelation from God about how to correctly understand and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Jesus revealed what he learned directly from God. Jesus said God told him what to say and how to say it so to hear Jesus teach was like hearing God teach, (if you have seen me you have seen the father) but that doesn't make Jesus God anymore than a messenger is the one who sent him.

You have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Jesus is not your savior and the guilt of your sins will remain for life if you do not do what Jesus taught one must do to be worthy of salvation.

Jesus died trying to teach his people that the Law was not about diet, fashion, or sex. If you do not accept his revelation, eat his flesh, and act on it, drink his blood, you can have no life in you. Life is the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands. Life is in the blood, in the doing. So just do it.

Purify your own mind and be refined. No one can do it for you. Not church, not God, not prayer or blubbering about how much you love Jesus. If you loved Jesus you wouldn't be saying he claimed to be God which would make him insane bringing his name into disrepute among the intelligent.

You profess to believe that God diddled a virgin to become human sacrifice for your sins but find it just too hard to believe that you have been deceived int the land of buyer beware? Seriously.

Smarten up!
 
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Well, 1st of all its not "my opinion" that for a female egg with 23 chromosomes to conceive and become a human being it needs 23 chromosomes from a human father. Thats right there is a fact

2nd, there never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. God is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form.
The entire Bible denounces the irrational belief that a man, like caesar, even Jesus, could be God.

"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind."

Jesus was just a first century froward Jewish man who had a revelation from God about how to correctly understand and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Jesus revealed what he learned directly from God. Jesus said God told him what to say and how to say it so to hear Jesus teach was like hearing God teach, (if you have seen me you have seen the father) but that doesn't make Jesus God anymore than a messenger is the one who sent him.

You have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Jesus is not your savior and the guilt of your sins will remain for life if you do not do what Jesus taught one must do to be worthy of salvation.

Jesus died trying to teach his people that the Law was not about diet, fashion, or sex. If you do not accept his revelation, eat his flesh, and act on it, drink his blood, you can have no life in you. Life is the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands. Life is in the blood, in the doing. So just do it.

Purify your own mind and be refined. No one can do it for you. Not church, not God, not prayer or blubbering about how much you love Jesus. If you loved Jesus you wouldn't be saying he claimed to be God which would make him insane bringing his name into disrepute among the intelligent.

You profess to believe that God diddled a virgin to become human sacrifice for your sins but find it just too hard to believe that you have been deceived int the land of buyer beware? Seriously.

Smarten up!
With God anything is possible. See the creation of space and time. :)
 
With God anything is possible.
Of course, aside from the fact that the creation story is not about the creation of space and time.

Even so, why don't you accept the reality that you profess to believe that God who could have done anything actually created, that for a female egg with 23 chromosomes to conceive and become a living human being it needs 23 chromosomes from a human father? You actually believe God can impregnate virgins? If you could do anything would you impregnate a bug to become a bug only to be killed and eaten by bugs because you loved the bug world so much?

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Damn dingbot. If you pretend to believe that you'll pretend to believe anything. It must suck being you. The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you coming from a mile away.

Some guy coming to a 14 year old virgin in the middle of the night claiming to be an angel doesn't give you a clue as to what actually happened? Even when her parents confronted her pregnancy and asked "what man did this?" and she replied. "I was never with a man, I was with an angel"

Schnook.

"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind."
 
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Of course, aside from the fact that the creation story is not about the creation of space and time.

Even so, why don't you accept the reality that you profess to believe that God who could have done anything actually created, that for a female egg with 23 chromosomes to conceive and become a living human being it needs 23 chromosomes from a human father? You actually believe God can impregnate virgins? If you could do anything would you impregnate a bug to become a bug only to be killed and eaten by bugs because you loved the bug world so much?

:auiqs.jpg:

Damn dingbot. If you pretend to believe that you'll pretend to believe anything. It must suck being you. The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you coming from a mile away.

Some guy coming to a 14 year old virgin in the middle of the night claiming to be an angel doesn't give you a clue as to what actually happened? Even when her parents confronted her pregnancy and asked "what man did this?" and she replied. "I was never with a man, I was with an angel"

Schnook.

"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind."
That you don't believe God created existence says a lot about your false narratives.
 
That you don't believe God created existence says a lot about your false narratives.
That you don't believe that worshipping the lifeless work of human hands is a violation of Divine law under penalty of death and won't admit thats what you do and even though your church teaches this and the priest openly says thats what you are doing at mass, and anyone can see thats what you are actually doing at mass, and you have the audacity to condemn others for their sexual preferences says a lot about your defiled and contaminate state of mind desperately clinging to the superstitious religious flotsam of a dying age. Have a good drown! Numbskull.

 
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Well, 1st of all its not "my opinion" that for a female egg with 23 chromosomes to conceive and become a human being it needs 23 chromosomes from a human father. Thats right there is a fact

2nd, there never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. God is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form.
The entire Bible denounces the irrational belief that a man, like caesar, even Jesus, could be God.

"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind."

Jesus was just a first century froward Jewish man who had a revelation from God about how to correctly understand and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Jesus revealed what he learned directly from God. Jesus said God told him what to say and how to say it so to hear Jesus teach was like hearing God teach, (if you have seen me you have seen the father) but that doesn't make Jesus God anymore than a messenger is the one who sent him.

You have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Jesus is not your savior and the guilt of your sins will remain for life if you do not do what Jesus taught one must do to be worthy of salvation.

Jesus died trying to teach his people that the Law was not about diet, fashion, or sex. If you do not accept his revelation, eat his flesh, and act on it, drink his blood, you can have no life in you. Life is the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands. Life is in the blood, in the doing. So just do it.

Purify your own mind and be refined. No one can do it for you. Not church, not God, not prayer or blubbering about how much you love Jesus. If you loved Jesus you wouldn't be saying he claimed to be God which would make him insane bringing his name into disrepute among the intelligent.

You profess to believe that God diddled a virgin to become human sacrifice for your sins but find it just too hard to believe that you have been deceived int the land of buyer beware? Seriously.

Smarten up!
Thank you for posting your opinions. They are in fact your opinions. Yes, it takes 23 chromosomes from a male to organize a human life. So, that would require Father in Heaven to be a glorified man who once lived on a planet much like ours. He has His Father in Heaven in another universe outside of our "time." He followed His Savior and was Exalted to become a God of His own universe inheriting all His Father had for him. (The Bible talks about our ability to inherit all our Father has too, doesn't it!) Advanced scientific research has made it possible to produce children without tickling the pickle. It's called In-Vitro Fertilization. Are you saying that the very same Father in Heaven who created Adam and Eve from clay of the earth could not place a sperm of His into Mary with the help of a doctor like the Holy Ghost that came over Mary? Really? You think God the Father is incapable of such a thing?

Until you can say you have met God the Father, you cannot say He is not a glorified man. God is both Spirit and Man resurrected together for ever. His Son, Jehovah came down to receive His body. The Bible says He descended from Heaven. "For no man can ascend back to heaven except He that cometh down from Heaven." That of course includes you and I as well. Then, there is doubting Thomas who did not believe as you that Jesus died and could be resurrected. Yet, there Jesus came into the room with no windows and had Thomas touch his wounds he received during the crucifixion. Thomas then believed. The Jews will have the same thing happen when Jesus comes and ends the Battle of Armageddon, stands in the midst of the parted Mt. of Olives, and shows his hands and feet to the Jews for them to touch and feel. Then, their doubts about Jesus will end. At least for most. There might still be a third who still don't follow Jesus Christ.

Then, there is the time Jesus, after his resurrection, came to the disciples on the road to Emmas. He talked with them, ate with them until they realized that they were with Jesus Christ. They freaked out thinking they were with a ghost. Then Jesus uttered the words that set your opinion on its ears. "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see, For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." Then, he ate with them. Jesus is a God, the Son of God the Father. Not just a man. Your opinion is not based on scriptural facts. Note that He said Flesh and Bones. Nothing mentioned with "Blood." Hmmm... It's the blood that makes us human and able to die. That's my opinion from this.

Jesus did learn directly from God. I have no problem with this. He said that if you have seen me you have seen the Father. I take that as whatever Jesus is teaching, it is the Father's Plan of Salvation he is teaching. He is also stating Father God also has a body of flesh and bones. He's saying he is His Father's Son and as sons often do, look like their fathers (and mothers. But that's for another discussion).
 
That you don't believe that worshipping the lifeless work of human hands is a violation of Divine law under penalty of death and won't admit thats what you do and even though your church teaches this and the priest openly says thats what you are doing at mass, and anyone can see thats what you are actually doing at mass, and you have the audacity to condemn others for their sexual preferences says a lot about your defiled and contaminate state of mind desperately clinging to the superstitious religious flotsam of a dying age. Have a good drown! Numbskull.


Your idea that somehow God approves of sexual preferences of same sex attraction is not found in scripture. On the contrary, there are many scriptural references to the sin of homosexual behavior and acts. Doesn't mean that some with have same-sex attractions. It means that if someone does, do not succumb to the temptations no matter how difficult it becomes. Do not let your mind become a reprobate mind. Romans Chapter 1. Paul may have had this thorn in his side. But, he did not succumb to it. We should follow Paul, not Hobelim.
 
Of course, aside from the fact that the creation story is not about the creation of space and time.
Have you read the Discourses of Abbaton? While not being one of our canonized scriptures, there are agreements with our books of scriptures we have canonized. It offers some good understandings and is very interesting. God does created space and time.
 
Are you saying that the very same Father in Heaven who created Adam and Eve from clay of the earth could not place a sperm of His into Mary with the help of a doctor like the Holy Ghost that came over Mary? Really? You think God the Father is incapable of such a thing?
The story of Adam and Eve is a fairy tale written by Moses to warn the children of Hebrew slaves about the dangers of losing your sanity for life to cults, the talking serpent a direct reference to the pharaoh who wore a serpent on his head, and "the breath of life" that turned Adam into a "living being" is a reference to the the ankh, an Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol meaning "life" or "breath of life" and is associated with life on earth, the afterlife, immortality, eternity, and divinity.

Its not a historical document. Really. Do you think that Moses was incapable of creative writing?You might as well be trying to convince me that people came from a clam on another planet.

So this is where its at.

My God has no visible shape or material form, never diddled a virgin, and never became a man.
Your God ejaculates and with the the help of the Holy Ghost put his sperm into Mary, a virgin.

Got it.

Where can I sign up to throw my rational mind in the trash to become a believer in the ridiculous?
Is there an initiation ceremony? Candles and bells? How much does it cost (aside from my soul)?
 
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