Zone1 Where Does God, Anywhere, Endorse the Homosexual Lifestyle?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Where does God, Anywhere Endorse the Homosexual Lifestyle? That is the relevant question yet I don't have an answer. Do you?

The answer is, "Who gives a shit?"

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Fag talk is disgusting.

Like you have any choice... men find you just as repulsive as women do...

 

[ScorpioRising007]

He doesn't. There is only condemnation and followers of Israel God are COMMANDED to avoid anything outside of male/female marriage

• The argument that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality in the gospels is misleading and illogical for at least five reasons:

1. The gospels are not more authoritative than those books of the Bible that condemn homosexual behavior. All authors of Scripture were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit.7
2. The gospels are not comprehensive. Some of the Bible’s most important teachings—the explanation of spiritual gifts, the Priesthood of Christ, the doctrine of man’s old and new nature—appear in other books of the Bible.
3. The gospels do not claim to be a complete account of Jesus’ life or teachings. Sections of Jesus’ life are not discussed in the gospels and we cannot be certain that Jesus never spoke about homosexual behavior.
4. Scripture teaches that Jesus kept all the Law and affirmed all that the Law and the Prophets taught.8Undoubtedly, this would have included the affirmation of committed, monogamous male-female marriage and an unwavering condemnation of homosexual behavior. Given that all first century orthodox Jews would have held to this standard, the question of affirming homosexuality would not have been open to discussion in Jesus’ day.
5. Jesus clearly referred to heterosexuality as a standard. He specifically described God’s created intent for human sexuality: “

At the current Methodist church my wife and I go to the minister is a female and she is lesbian, she is married to another woman. I have met many great gays and lesbian Christians in my lifetime. I know many Catholics and Protestants who openly accept gays and lesbians as friends, family members, and church members. I have even known Catholic Priests who have been very accepting of members of their Catholic Church who are openly gay/lesbian. Many protestant churches accept them with open arms, even having ministers who are openly gay.

 

[luiza]

Always thought , Love your neighbour , was strange . Respect , makes better sense but loving everybody lacks good judgement and acknowledgement of facts — like kiddy fiddling , as an obvious example .

 

[Meriweather]

Always thought , Love your neighbour , was strange . Respect , makes better sense but loving everybody lacks good judgement and acknowledgement of facts — like kiddy fiddling , as an obvious example .

I like the way both approaches are phrased....One, what is distasteful to you, don't do to others. Love your neighbor as yourself. This second requires even more thought. Independence has always meant a lot to me and that means accepting the independence of others. I'm also a bit of a hermit, so acknowledging the 'me time' of others is important as well.

Those are two examples that immediately come to mind, but keep in mind there are hundreds more.

Each approach has its dilemmas. For example, being independent, I would hate taking handouts. Does it follow that I should not give handouts? No, because some else (neighbor) and his/her needs should be taken into account (love).

Love. The Greek language has five words for love. English? We have nearly three hundred synonyms. Which synonym or Greek words best fits the 'love' in 'Love your neighbor'?

 

[Moonglow]

He doesn't. There is only condemnation and followers of Israel God are COMMANDED to avoid anything outside of male/female marriage

• The argument that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality in the gospels is misleading and illogical for at least five reasons:

1. The gospels are not more authoritative than those books of the Bible that condemn homosexual behavior. All authors of Scripture were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit.7
2. The gospels are not comprehensive. Some of the Bible’s most important teachings—the explanation of spiritual gifts, the Priesthood of Christ, the doctrine of man’s old and new nature—appear in other books of the Bible.
3. The gospels do not claim to be a complete account of Jesus’ life or teachings. Sections of Jesus’ life are not discussed in the gospels and we cannot be certain that Jesus never spoke about homosexual behavior.
4. Scripture teaches that Jesus kept all the Law and affirmed all that the Law and the Prophets taught.8Undoubtedly, this would have included the affirmation of committed, monogamous male-female marriage and an unwavering condemnation of homosexual behavior. Given that all first century orthodox Jews would have held to this standard, the question of affirming homosexuality would not have been open to discussion in Jesus’ day.
5. Jesus clearly referred to heterosexuality as a standard. He specifically described God’s created intent for human sexuality: “

Jesus is not God.

 

[Moonglow]

I made a rule a long time ago, do what you want in life it's your choice I won't stop you.

 

[presonorek]

Jesus never said anythinh abainsz it.

He didn't get a chance. They killed him.

 

[presonorek]

The answer is, "Who gives a shit?"

Oh that's easy. CarlinAnnArbor. He started this thread.

 

[kjw47]

He doesn't. There is only condemnation and followers of Israel God are COMMANDED to avoid anything outside of male/female marriage

• The argument that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality in the gospels is misleading and illogical for at least five reasons:

1. The gospels are not more authoritative than those books of the Bible that condemn homosexual behavior. All authors of Scripture were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit.7
2. The gospels are not comprehensive. Some of the Bible’s most important teachings—the explanation of spiritual gifts, the Priesthood of Christ, the doctrine of man’s old and new nature—appear in other books of the Bible.
3. The gospels do not claim to be a complete account of Jesus’ life or teachings. Sections of Jesus’ life are not discussed in the gospels and we cannot be certain that Jesus never spoke about homosexual behavior.
4. Scripture teaches that Jesus kept all the Law and affirmed all that the Law and the Prophets taught.8Undoubtedly, this would have included the affirmation of committed, monogamous male-female marriage and an unwavering condemnation of homosexual behavior. Given that all first century orthodox Jews would have held to this standard, the question of affirming homosexuality would not have been open to discussion in Jesus’ day.
5. Jesus clearly referred to heterosexuality as a standard. He specifically described God’s created intent for human sexuality: “

The bible condemns all sex out of marriage-1Cor 6:9-11--

 

[ScorpioRising007]

Real

The bible condemns all sex out of marriage-1Cor 6:9-11--

Realistically all kinds of people have sex outside of marriage. How many Christians, who are honest never had sex outside of marriage? I would say slim pickings. Both my wife and I had a lot of sex outside of marriage. I have had over 30+ sex partners in my lifetime, my wife probably around 10. She was married three times before, me twice. We both had a lot of sex before we decided to get married and it was the same way with my past wives. My wife had sex first at age 14 and got pregnant. My first sexual encounter was actually when I was at the age of 5 (not full sex) but I would say sexual touching a female classmate and she touching me back in my room. Also another one I was age 7. I had another sexual encounter at age 12, etc. Realistically people start having sexual encounters as kids, but just shut up about it and don't tell anyone.

My wife and I go to church ever Sunday, at least try, and consider ourselves good moral Christians.

 

[Hector12]

The only New Testament writer who condemns homosexuality is St. Paul.

In some of his writing he indicates that he was a repressed homosexual. In his Epistle to the Romans 7:14-23 he writes:

"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"

St. Paul seems to be tormented by homosexual urges he hates but cannot resist.

In First Timothy 1:15 St. Paul writes, "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

In Second Corinthians 12:7 - 9 St Paul writes, "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

The thorn in St. Paul's flesh might have been chronic pain. It might have been homosexual urges.

 

[kjw47]

Real

Realistically all kinds of people have sex outside of marriage. How many Christians, who are honest never had sex outside of marriage? I would say slim pickings. Both my wife and I had a lot of sex outside of marriage. I have had over 30+ sex partners in my lifetime, my wife probably around 10. She was married three times before, me twice. We both had a lot of sex before we decided to get married and it was the same way with my past wives. My wife had sex first at age 14 and got pregnant. My first sexual encounter was actually when I was at the age of 5 (not full sex) but I would say sexual touching a female classmate and she touching me back in my room. Also another one I was age 7. I had another sexual encounter at age 12, etc. Realistically people start having sexual encounters as kids, but just shut up about it and don't tell anyone.

My wife and I go to church ever Sunday, at least try, and consider ourselves good moral Christians.

Yes even christians stumble. But if you noticed at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it makes the statement-- that is what some of you were= past tense-they repented and turned around( Acts 3:19) stopped doing those unacceptable sins.--yet any can still fall.

 

[Hector12]

No one chooses to be a homosexual. Once I had a homosexual friend who admitted that he was sexually attracted to me. I told him, "I am glad I am not gay."

He said, "I am glad too. As sensitive as you are it would be real problem."

I have been aware of my attraction to girls at least since the first grade. There were some pretty girls in my first grade class.

They never paid any attention to me, however.

 

[surada]

At the current Methodist church my wife and I go to the minister is a female and she is lesbian, she is married to another woman. I have met many great gays and lesbian Christians in my lifetime. I know many Catholics and Protestants who openly accept gays and lesbians as friends, family members, and church members. I have even known Catholic Priests who have been very accepting of members of their Catholic Church who are openly gay/lesbian. Many protestant churches accept them with open arms, even having ministers who are openly gay.

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[Cougarbear]

God made them.

Are you saying you hate God's creations?

God did not make them. They chose for them selves.

 

[Dadoalex]

God did not make them. They chose for them selves.

So you CHOSE to be straight?
Ever regret the choice?
Sorta sounds like it.

 

[Cougarbear]

So you CHOSE to be straight?
Ever regret the choice?
Sorta sounds like it.

I was made in the image of God who I’m one of His 80 billion children who has lived on this earth. I am obedient to His commandments to multiply and replenish the earth because we all are made to do so. You chose to be disobedient going against Father in Heaven.
To be more specific, we all existed in heaven before we came to earth. We covenanted to multiply and replenish the earth and to obey His commandments given while we are on earth. So, we chose before we came.

So you CHOSE to be straight?
Ever regret the choice?
Sorta sounds like it.

same old boring response. Straights are made gays are a choice.

 

[tahuyaman]

God made them.

Are you saying you hate God's creations?

God made criminals, serial killers, child rapists, atheists and all kinds of reprobates. What’s your point?

 

[Cougarbear]

God made criminals, serial killers, child rapists, atheists and all kinds of reprobates. What’s your point?

God made parents to bare sinless babies. Over time, some choose to become criminals, atheists….you are wrong.