Where Are The Arguments Against America First?

[Moonglow]

Democrats are bad fruits.

And nuts, wackos, weirdos, tree-huggers, fags, and trannies.

Which are still humans covered by the Constitution

 

[Moonglow]

The argument is if the world just all gets along and every country has DEI and we hug terrorists, Russians, the Chinese, North Korea, etc. they will hug us back and we will have all achieved Utopia. World first and everyone can drive around with COEXIST bumper stickers on our EV's.

Yer idea is to continue hating other humans

 

[Thunderbird]

Have you noticed? In the Media, on the TV, in the Web or here on USMB, every discussion, every heated argument, every thread is against TRUMP! Not only do you never see any JUSTIFICATION for what exactly it is the Harris would do, her POLICIES that would be so much better than Trump's plans, but nothing criticizing Trump plans!

Or anything he actually DID when president. The entire election debate by the Left has been made PERSONAL.

It is all aimed at THE MAN HIMSELF. Trump. You know, that fat, overweight, orange golfer who eats poorly and used to camp around with international models. Every attack is either against HIM or his SUPPORTERS.

You know, those awful, DEPLORABLE, country hicks, hillbillies, backwoods people who have never even had electricity who drive horse-drawn wagons and sleep with their cousins who support Trump. Still living in the 19th century. It is the same bias they cleverly disguised in the 1960s as The Beverly Hillbillies and in the 1970s with Archie Bunker.

In the vernacular of logic, we call that an AD HOMINEM attack--- attacking not the message but the MESSENGER. This is a fallacious argument, it is a personal rather than logical argument first recognized and defined by Aristotle himself. It is a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background.

We have seen it all here countless times by people like Mac1958 and numerous others.

This is the Left. This is the substance of the entire case against Trump (and his supporters). That is the basis of the entire "cult" argument, that by minimizing or delegitimizing the people themselves, you avoid the argument itself. Basically, those attacking Trump, their entire case is: "We didn't like him in 2016 and we still don't like him now." Even when they manage to point to some event, it isn't actually about anything that Trump or his supporters themselves really did, but a situation THE LEFT CREATED that merely INVOLVED Trump or his supporters that they created or drew these people into as a result of their embittered dislike of him.

I dare the Left to present an actual argument here that ISN'T about Trump the man or his supporters! But they cannot. They never do. Worse, they use this same crutch, JUST AS WITH JOE BIDEN in 2020, as their ENTIRE CASE FOR SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS. I mean, was there ever a single time since 2020 that you ever heard anyone say: "Gee, instead of Joe, I sure wish we had Harris as president instead?"

The entire case AGAINST Trump or FOR Harris, it is all based on a cleverly disguised leftwing fallacy. This is the core of the means of defeating Kamala Harris at the voting polls--- The Left actually have NO REAL ARGUMENT as to why Trump shouldn't be president or that Harris should be, other than THEY JUST DON'T LIKE HIM.

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Harris-Walz certainly don’t want to run on their record!

• Inflation
• Mass illegal immigration
• Forever wars that don’t serve American interests
• Punishment only for enemies of the regime
• Transitioning children without parental consent

Trump’s ‘Comrade Kamala’ insult is a bit much, but price controls really are an awful idea

Kamala Harris is trying to deflect from the pain of high inflation during the Biden-Harris administration. But her price control plan is a bad idea.

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Opinion | Democrats are in denial about the need for border security

Playing to the Democratic base on the issue while ignoring the need for more enforcement has merely exacerbated the problem.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[gipper]

That is democracy you fucktard. The Democratic Party is an organization that can decide it's nominee any way it chooses. Trump was also technically nominated by Republican party delegates as well, idiot.

Lol. So you like party elites picking your candidate.

You aren’t very bright are you?

 

[Curried Goats]

Lol. So you like party elites picking your candidate.

You aren’t very bright are you?

I prefer a primary but in the aftermath of Joe's decision to fold to I was looking forward to a contested convention until Kamala impressed me by doing what I didn't think her capable of and wrangling the delegates to her side and convincing the rest of the would be's not to run. The party didn't choose her so much as she ran unopposed after she cleared the field. That's the part of this cosplay and fan fiction that you all conveniently leave out. No other democrat wanted to run against her.

 

[GLASNOST]

Have you noticed? In the Media, on the TV, in the Web or here on USMB, every discussion, every heated argument, every thread is against TRUMP!

Harris-Walz certainly don’t want to run on their record!

That's a good point.

 

[Road Runner]

Just as I suspected. Three pages and the left still has got nothing.

 

[GLASNOST]

Just as I suspected. Three pages and the left still has got nothing.

Less than nothing.

 

[toobfreak]

Democrats are bad fruits.

I would go farther, JG:
Democrats are a malignant parasite which infect the juicy fruit of the world
that others produce, take it over for themselves, consuming it
turning the orchard to rot for others to starve.

And Trump is the DDT Exterminator.

 

[toobfreak]

Tissue?

Why? Your brains falling out again needing something to plug the hole?

 

[carloz]

There are none.

 

[toobfreak]

Which are still humans covered by the Constitution

Matter of your worthless opinion.

 

[Road Runner]

If Trump Wins This Message Board Will Probably Become A Dead Zone

I previously created a thread saying that I didn't see myself being around here as often if Trump won and I am currently seeing the threads of Trump polling ahead and Kamala Harris not having any policies and clearly the left are avoiding these threads like the plague. This is pretty much all I...

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[d0gbreath]

Trump is the undisputed king of the AD HOMINEM attack.
It looks like fighting fire with fire to me. If you can't take it tangerine one, don't dish it out.

 

[toobfreak]

Just as I suspected. Three pages and the left still has got nothing.

As if anyone could be surprised. The Left's entire case against Trump is a FRAUD just like their elections. It frustrates me to no end that the media are continually allowed to get away with a totally fallacious argument. The Left's EVERY argument--- whether it be Trump's 2016 election, Russia, Russia, Floyd, Covid-19, the 2020 election, J6, documents, home valuation, NY case, Georgia case, DC case, what-have-you, immediately falls apart to dust once you understand that ALL OF THEM are based solely upon the fallacy of a personal rather than logical argument as a rhetorical strategy where they simply attack the character, motives, or some other attribute of Trump rather than the substance of the argument itself. This is designed to avoid a genuine debate which they cannot support by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of Trump's character or background instead of the actual policies and actions themselves which they only pretend to be against.

This is the ENTIRE basis for the whole "Trump cult" argument--- to deligitimize the people MAKING the argument so that they can avoid and deflect away from the actual argument itself, because, there really IS no argument against Trump's policies of PUTTING AMERICA FIRST.

EVERY thread on this forum attacking Trump or his supporters immediately falls apart once you realize this. It is the failing and fallacy of the Left's every complaint.

Think about it: What is the case for electing Harris? Because she is not Trump? She has NO accomplishments, NO record, and everything she touts as her plans to fix x, y, and z are really addressing things that happened UNDER HER WATCH! She runs on fixing the very things she created and has celebrated being all along these past four years while doing absolutely nothing about any of it, now yanking our chains that if RE-elected again to an even higher office, now she would somehow address them?

The Left's entire argument against Trump is Trump. They are literally fighting against and opposing:

1. Secure borders.
2. World Peace.
3. Low crime.
4. National sovereignty.
5. A strong dollar.
6. Integrity in government.
7. A moral society.

Fix these things and you fix everything. But democrats don't want to fix these things because solve these problems and they are left with NOTHING TO RUN ON nor any reason to vote for them. Democrats can make no argument against America First (50 posts later and 24 hours and as you see, here we are with NOT A SINGLE Leftist has come forward in my thread to try to make one), so, like a sleight-of-hand expert, they try to distract the nation with: "But...but...it's TRUMP!"

Hollywood talks about IF TRUMP IS REELECTED, they will have to leave the country! Not if he does any particular thing. Just HIM.
In 2016 when elected, THEY CRIED IN THE STREETS! Because...TRUMP! Meanwhile, the guy had not yet even done a single thing to be against nor fault.

I BEG any Tard here to attack or dispute any of the above so that I can tear it to fucking shreds like a ravenous dog. Of course, logical arguments, tautologies and truth tables mean nothing to the Left because half of them haven't the brains for it and the other half know they have nothing but ASS GAS.

It is all about Trump the man. Nothing more. He is orange, he talks brashly, he is cocky, he golfs, eats fast food and likes women. He is the ALPHA MALE which is the personification of everything they are against--- a rich, successful, self-confident, masculine ego.

It just frustrates me that day in and day out, both Trump himself, Vance, the GOP and all of the supporting media continually miss the opportunity to reduce the entire Trump political argument down to these simple terms, probably because they DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE VOTER IS CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT.

The Left got NOTHING but gaslighting, distraction, diversion, cheating, lying, and misdirection. And Harris is their hand-puppet queen.

CHARLATANS.

Bring it on, fuckers.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

His appointments to the Supreme Court while he was in office have shown that to be true.

How have they caused any of what you said?

Let me guess.. they were meanies because they didn’t rule like a leftist activist, so you label them as far right? LOL

I guess when you’re wayyyyyyy out left, anything else is “far right”, even moderates

 

[toobfreak]

Trump is the undisputed king of the AD HOMINEM attack.

BULL. He only attacks the people for what they do in misleading the public with lies and misdirection. The damage to this country they do that he rails about is OBVIOUS.

Even so, it still fails to address any significant past or future policy of his which is so flawed that Harris' would be much better. This thread is about America First, yet I see you have once again deflected away from it.

But thanks for proving my case for making your whole argument against Trump ABOUT Trump, not his policies. With no supporting evidence, you couldn't even make a cogent argument without even BEGINNING your argument ABOUT TRUMP.

LOSER.

 

[d0gbreath]

BULL. He only attacks the people for what they do in misleading the public with lies and misdirection. The damage to this country they do that he rails about is OBVIOUS.

Even so, it still fails to address any significant past or future policy of his which is so flawed that Harris' would be much better. This thread is about America First, yet I see you have once again deflected away from it.

But thanks for proving my case for making your whole argument against Trump ABOUT Trump, not his policies. With no supporting evidence, you couldn't even make a cogent argument without even BEGINNING your argument ABOUT TRUMP.

LOSER.

I've got your name calling loser swinging:

 

[toobfreak]

306>232. Face it bitch.

No argument here. Just Trump. Ad hominem. Proves or says nothing. Total Loser.
You got nothing.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump was PRESIDENT before Biden.

Figured that out, eh?

Harris has never been president.

Right. She has done ZIP.

Economists have stated that Harris policies would be better than trumps.

"Economists?" You mean like 500 psychologists? What competent economist would tout the strengths and efficacy of the economic policies of someone WHO HAS NEVER HAD ANY ECONOMIC POLICIES ACTUALLY TESTED IN PRACTICE YET? Meanwhile Trump's economic policies were tested and were great. America ROCKED all through his term right up to when Covid hit the world and we shut everything down trying to stop its spread.

You guys keep repeating the lies trump told yo during his presidency. Trump did not crete the economy we had. You dummies don't understnd this.

I am temporarily taking all you idiots off ignore to once again show that YOU GOT NOTHING. You have presented nothing. Your every argument is about Trump. You have shown not a single policy of his as having been so flawed as to need Harris, Why Harris would be so much better as to take a chance on her, much less anything bad about putting America First.

Loser as always. Go away.