Where are the Adults?

[DGS49]

Any intelligent human who gives the matter more than a moment's thought realizes that you cannot judge historical figures by today's contemporary standards. While some principles are immutable (See the Ten Commandments, for examples), others are tied to the era in which they play out. Our forebears had multiple wives, they owned slaves, and they committed atrocities in order to save the souls of "savages." It all happened and was done by people who were more than admirable in their respective times. And even to presume that today's standards are The Ultimate, and utterly correct, and will never change is a conceit that only a fool can maintain. A hundred years from now, we may all be scorned because we ate fish, or broccoli. Who knows?

Essentially every public monument or statue is a tribute to someone who was a "hero" or an otherwise exemplary person IN HIS OR HER OWN TIME, and usually for many generations thereafter. To tear down these monuments is a historical atrocity and a crime against our own humanity.

If you have studied and learned about the life of, for example, Robert E. Lee, and you believe that he was an evil person, then SAY THAT. Take your children to his monument and tell them who he was and what you think. That's why we study history: so we can learn from it. Same for Christopher Columbus, Thomas Jefferson, Moses, and - if you please - Martin Luther King...though no living American would ever have the balls to point out that Luminary's shortcomings!

It is a tremendous failure of leadership for mayors and governors, and even the President, to stand by and watch these desecrations take place without demanding that they stop, and proclaiming WHY THEY ARE UNACCEPTABLE. Not only as destructions of public property, but as absolute foolishness, intellectually.

Where are the adults?

 

[Oddball]

It's being done on purpose....Erasing the past gives you no frame of reference for the present.

 

[Votto]

Tyrants don't want you to know history because history will tell you the story of organized government and the evils that surround it, such as genocide and warfare, etc.

Nor do they want you do know that the great majority of people on this earth have been their slaves.

No, they wish us to believe that human nature is basically good, and democracy is the means for a society to become righteous, something for which only they have the key.

So every problem within a given society can only be solved by them and them alone.

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

 

[DGS49]

He knows that anything he says about "race" will be either ignored or distorted and used against him, as was done when he first spoke about the death of St. George F.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

What politician cares about anything besides their base?

Most of the burning is in Democratic controlled areas, and when Trump tries to say he would respond federally, you guys get the vapors.

Maybe us on the right just ignore the WP types for the meaningless minority they are. Why confront them and give them validity they haven't earned?

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

What politician cares about anything besides their base?

Most of the burning is in Democratic controlled areas, and when Trump tries to say he would respond federally, you guys get the vapors.

Maybe us on the right just ignore the WP types for the meaningless minority they are. Why confront them and give them validity they haven't earned?

We agree that it's best that Trump keep his mouth shut then, during this time of crisis.

If that's your idea of a good President, great. I believe it.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

What politician cares about anything besides their base?

Most of the burning is in Democratic controlled areas, and when Trump tries to say he would respond federally, you guys get the vapors.

Maybe us on the right just ignore the WP types for the meaningless minority they are. Why confront them and give them validity they haven't earned?

We agree that it's best that Trump keep his mouth shut then, during this time of crisis.

If that's your idea of a good President, great. I believe it.

I don't agree to that at all. I also don't think he needs to say something right away.

And you keep ignoring my second statements regarding the WP stuff.

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

What politician cares about anything besides their base?

Most of the burning is in Democratic controlled areas, and when Trump tries to say he would respond federally, you guys get the vapors.

Maybe us on the right just ignore the WP types for the meaningless minority they are. Why confront them and give them validity they haven't earned?

We agree that it's best that Trump keep his mouth shut then, during this time of crisis.

If that's your idea of a good President, great. I believe it.

I don't agree to that at all. I also don't think he needs to say something right away.

And you keep ignoring my second statements regarding the WP stuff.

Okay, you don't agree with it. We have different standards for a President in a crisis, I guess.

And pretending that the WP types are a "meaningless minority" is a perfect example of the enabling behaviors to which I referred.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

What politician cares about anything besides their base?

Most of the burning is in Democratic controlled areas, and when Trump tries to say he would respond federally, you guys get the vapors.

Maybe us on the right just ignore the WP types for the meaningless minority they are. Why confront them and give them validity they haven't earned?

We agree that it's best that Trump keep his mouth shut then, during this time of crisis.

If that's your idea of a good President, great. I believe it.

I don't agree to that at all. I also don't think he needs to say something right away.

And you keep ignoring my second statements regarding the WP stuff.

Okay, you don't agree with it. We have different standards for a President in a crisis, I guess.

And pretending that the WP types are a "meaningless minority" is a perfect example of the enabling behaviors to which I referred.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

It's not pretending, those idiots only have the power given to them by the media and the left (but I digress) when they inflate their numbers, their impact, or include anyone to the right of Mitt Romney as fellow travelers.

On the other hand many of the left look longingly at Anti-fa for their ability to perform Direct Action.

 

[Maxdeath]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

So exactly who has held antifa accountable? Who has confronted and condemned them? Or are you claiming that they are not just the lefts example of WP types?

 

[Mac1958]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

So exactly who has held antifa accountable? Who has confronted and condemned them? Or are you claiming that they are not just the lefts example of WP types?

The Left has done a horrible job of holding them accountable, just as the Right has done a horrible job of holding the White Nationalists / Supremacists / Separatists accountable.

As I say all the time, nothing of substance will be improved until both ends of issue decide to be honest and start holding their own accountable.

And as I also say all the time, the two ends of the spectrum can be comically similar in their behaviors.

Clear enough?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

It's being done on purpose....Erasing the past gives you no frame of reference for the present.

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Democratic Socialist, “premature anti-fascist” who almost died fighting Franco and Nazis in the Spanish Civil War, hated the Conservative Tories, supported the Labour Party.

 

[Oddball]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

So exactly who has held antifa accountable? Who has confronted and condemned them? Or are you claiming that they are not just the lefts example of WP types?

The Left has done a horrible job of holding them accountable, just as the Right has done a horrible job of holding the White Nationalists / Supremacists / Separatists accountable.

As I say all the time, nothing of substance will be improved until both ends of issue decide to be honest and start holding their own accountable.

And as I also say all the time, the two ends of the spectrum can be comically similar in their behaviors.

Clear enough?

White separatists not held accountable?!?

Not too long ago, one of then was shot IN THE FUCKING BACK and there was a collective yawn from you faux civil libertarian types.

fuck my life.

 

[martybegan]

The President is keeping his mouth shut. He knows that any message of racial healing will only piss off his base, and he knows that they'll forgive him for not sounding like a white nationalist.

Not much he can do.

So all non soy Republicans are now White Nationalists?

More than likely anything he says will be taken out of context by the SJW types.

What kind of leader is afraid of how his words will be taken?

Afraid? I doubt it. He probably realizes anything he says will be used to inflame the SJW types.

And you are dodging my question, are you saying all of Trump's base consists of WP types or not?

Well, since he's only worried about keeping his base happy, he's not required to communicate with the rest of us, I guess.

While the country burns, he can keep tweeting MAGA if he wants.

All of this base? I doubt it. Some of his base are simply enablers, those who refuse to hold the WP types accountable.

So exactly who has held antifa accountable? Who has confronted and condemned them? Or are you claiming that they are not just the lefts example of WP types?

The Left has done a horrible job of holding them accountable, just as the Right has done a horrible job of holding the White Nationalists / Supremacists / Separatists accountable.

As I say all the time, nothing of substance will be improved until both ends of issue decide to be honest and start holding their own accountable.

And as I also say all the time, the two ends of the spectrum can be comically similar in their behaviors.

Clear enough?

What you forget is most of us on the right WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. They aren't the fringe of our conservative movement, they are unwanted assholes, which is why we ignore them.

Anti-fa is just the more militant wing of the old crusty dudes who show up to every lefty protest with the table of Marx to Mao for sale.

 

[Oddball]

It's being done on purpose....Erasing the past gives you no frame of reference for the present.

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Democratic Socialist, “premature anti-fascist” who almost died fighting Franco and Nazis in the Spanish Civil War, hated the Conservative Tories, supported the Labour Party.

What in the name of Sam Hill does that have to do with what's going on with the vandalization of Murican history?