Where All Govt Healthcare Ends Up

[Weatherman2020]

We are not meeting our arbitrary financial goals, so we'll just stop treating people.


Statins costing just pennies are being rationed by the NHS in measures “born out of desperation”, leading doctors have warned.

The decision to restrict the heart drugs was last night attacked by health watchdogs, who said wider prescribing of the medication had been recommended to stop “lives being destroyed”.

The restrictions emerged amid growing concern about rationing across the NHS, with increasing limits on surgery for cataracts, and hip and knee operations, as the health service faces the worst financial crisis in its history.

NHS trusts are expected to announce that they are missing a swathe of performance targets, with long waits in Accident & Emergency (A&E) departments, even in the height of summer, and delays for cancer treatment.

On Wednesday a leading surgeon raised fears that growing numbers of patients will be left to endure “crippling pain” amid tightening restrictions on common treatments and operations.

'We are beginning to see some very strange decisions born out of desperation'Dr Andrew Green, British Medical Association
It followed the emergence of plans from St Helens clinical commissioning group (CCG) in Merseyside to suspend all but the most urgent treatment for four months, in a bid to stave off a cash crisis.

Statins being rationed by NHS in 'desperate' bid to save cash

 

[Dekster]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

 

[dblack]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

 

[Dekster]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Like we saw with our VA, available healthcare was Witheld so executives could get their bonuses. It's what happens when people are not given choices and the government decision makers never get fired. (All the VA execs that were suspended with pay are now back working in the VA.)

 

[Eaglewings]

We are not meeting our arbitrary financial goals, so we'll just stop treating people.


Statins costing just pennies are being rationed by the NHS in measures “born out of desperation”, leading doctors have warned.

The decision to restrict the heart drugs was last night attacked by health watchdogs, who said wider prescribing of the medication had been recommended to stop “lives being destroyed”.

The restrictions emerged amid growing concern about rationing across the NHS, with increasing limits on surgery for cataracts, and hip and knee operations, as the health service faces the worst financial crisis in its history.

NHS trusts are expected to announce that they are missing a swathe of performance targets, with long waits in Accident & Emergency (A&E) departments, even in the height of summer, and delays for cancer treatment.

On Wednesday a leading surgeon raised fears that growing numbers of patients will be left to endure “crippling pain” amid tightening restrictions on common treatments and operations.

'We are beginning to see some very strange decisions born out of desperation'Dr Andrew Green, British Medical Association
It followed the emergence of plans from St Helens clinical commissioning group (CCG) in Merseyside to suspend all but the most urgent treatment for four months, in a bid to stave off a cash crisis.

Statins being rationed by NHS in 'desperate' bid to save cash

I knew it, all I had to do was google NHS and pay raises..sure enough they are getting a pay hike while cutting back on statins to save money..

NHS workers offered 10% pay rise

.

 

[dblack]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

Of course. And you know I was trying to make a point. We seem to have this delusion that we can somehow contrive a 'system' where everyone gets all the health care they "need". But that's a bottomless cup of coffee.

 

[Weatherman2020]

We are not meeting our arbitrary financial goals, so we'll just stop treating people.


Statins costing just pennies are being rationed by the NHS in measures “born out of desperation”, leading doctors have warned.

The decision to restrict the heart drugs was last night attacked by health watchdogs, who said wider prescribing of the medication had been recommended to stop “lives being destroyed”.

The restrictions emerged amid growing concern about rationing across the NHS, with increasing limits on surgery for cataracts, and hip and knee operations, as the health service faces the worst financial crisis in its history.

NHS trusts are expected to announce that they are missing a swathe of performance targets, with long waits in Accident & Emergency (A&E) departments, even in the height of summer, and delays for cancer treatment.

On Wednesday a leading surgeon raised fears that growing numbers of patients will be left to endure “crippling pain” amid tightening restrictions on common treatments and operations.

'We are beginning to see some very strange decisions born out of desperation'Dr Andrew Green, British Medical Association
It followed the emergence of plans from St Helens clinical commissioning group (CCG) in Merseyside to suspend all but the most urgent treatment for four months, in a bid to stave off a cash crisis.

Statins being rationed by NHS in 'desperate' bid to save cash

I knew it, all I had to do was google NHS and pay raises..sure enough they are getting a pay hike while cutting back on statins to save money..

NHS workers offered 10% pay rise

.

A 10% pay raise is huge.

 

[Arianrhod]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

 

[Eaglewings]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

Do you live in any of those countries that you mentioned? If so what has been your experiences?

 

[Weatherman2020]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

If you call having to wait 6 months for cancer treatment or pacemaker well managed, you have your bar pretty low.

News & Opinion | Heartland Institute

 

[Arianrhod]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

If you call having to wait 6 months for cancer treatment or pacemaker well managed, you have your bar pretty low.

News & Opinion | Heartland Institute

Check your link. It does not say what you think it says.

 

[Weatherman2020]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

If you call having to wait 6 months for cancer treatment or pacemaker well managed, you have your bar pretty low.

News & Opinion | Heartland Institute

Check your link. It does not say what you think it says.

It adds to the facts stated. Canadians flock to America for healthcare. If you're unaware of the wait times for critical healthcare in Canada it explains why you're so ignorant in praising them.

 

[Arianrhod]

There are well-run, well-managed, fully functional healthcare systems in Canada*, Australia, and many Scandinavian countries, but the RW always hyperfocuses on the NHS.

*Cue the Usual Idiot reiterating the canard about "millions of Canadians flocking to Florida because they can't get care in their won country."

And, go...

If you call having to wait 6 months for cancer treatment or pacemaker well managed, you have your bar pretty low.

News & Opinion | Heartland Institute

Check your link. It does not say what you think it says.

It adds to the facts stated. Canadians flock to America for healthcare. If you're unaware of the wait times for critical healthcare in Canada it explains why you're so ignorant in praising them.

You've linked to the homepage. Kindly link to the actual article about Canada.

But thank you for self-identifying as the Usual Idiot.

Do you live in any of those countries that you mentioned? If so what has been your experiences?

Do you prefer anecdotal evidence? If so, why?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

Yes....it's like the term Universal Health Care. What is it ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

Of course. And you know I was trying to make a point. We seem to have this delusion that we can somehow contrive a 'system' where everyone gets all the health care they "need". But that's a bottomless cup of coffee.

It goes beyond that.

If someone comes up with a study that links pushups to a reduction in colon cancer...the government will soon have kids doing lots of push ups.

Who is doing the "caring" ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

That does not define the metric.

If 100 million women in this country decide they want botox injections in their butts.....do we give it to them ?

 

[Dekster]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

That does not define the metric.

If 100 million women in this country decide they want botox injections in their butts.....do we give it to them ?

Yes.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Not sure about the UK, but in the US many statins cost a lot more than pennies per pill. Either way, the UK needs to fully fund its NHS.

That's an interesting proposition. How do you 'fully fund' healthcare? What is the success condition? No one dies? No one suffers?

The doctor and staff pumping on your dead chest get paid, have the drugs available to try to save you, and are not doing it all by oil lamp. People are going to suffer and die regardless, and you know that.

That does not define the metric.

If 100 million women in this country decide they want botox injections in their butts.....do we give it to them ?

Yes.

That would be stupid.