when will we decide to stop this crime wave?

[FA_Q2]

So again more of what we have already tried. But it will work this time right. Uh hu

It worked before too though the details are clearly beyond you.

Clearly you are to much of a hack to say anything more than this moronic tag line.

Carry on in ignorance.

 

[1stNickD]

So more of the same. Build more prisons. More people in jail for longer. Lol ya we already tried it. Maybe if the typical American didn't work so many more hours than the rest of the wild dad would be home to teach children values. Throw in more new school s than prison s. That would work But ya try the same thing and expect different results is the definition of insanity according to Einstein.

Nope, that's not what I said. Read it again.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well what's the solution? Put more people in jail? We already have more per per Capita in jail than any other country on earth. Still got the crime.

Prison is a 'college for criminals'. They learn the finer points of their trade, gain street cred, etc. They even commit crimes within, and outside of, prison itself. Prison is just another failed system crafted by people with no knowledge, experience, or vision. The criminal justice system is a lucrative industry for those employed it, and crime is the 'grist' for the mill. It will get worse for society at large before it gets better.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, that would not work and is not working.

What stops crime is having police out there catching criminals. It is actually counter productive to lock more people up for longer as the overly long sentencing is not what deters people but rather the propensity to get caught.

Which is the EXACT opposite of what the left today is pushing. You want less crime, you need more police, period. That is simply a fact.

The real solution is really not all that complex, more police out there enforcing the law, fewer asinine crimes putting people in cages that do not need to be there and consistency in policing overall.

Longer prison terms = less crime.

 

[TheParser]

It's despicable.

What is really despicable is how some "liberals" react to the orgy of violent crime (such as the recent death of an Asian woman who was pushed to her death in the New York subway).

Those "liberals" say the following: What crime wave? There was more violence in the past. All this hysteria about violent crime is being driven by law enforcement that wants more funding. And, of course, by racist right-wingers.

 

[Unkotare]

...Maybe if the typical American didn't work so many more hours than the rest of the wild [sic].....

Lazy shit.

 

[evenflow1969]

Lazy shit.

Lol, ok shortbus. Spoken by the dumb fuck that has summer s off. Hilarious

 

[Unkotare]

.... has summer s off.....

Guess again, ignorant, lazy shit.

 

[evenflow1969]

Guess again, ignorant, lazy shit.

Aw, aren't you special.

 

[Who_Me?]

Well, the liberals wanted to go easier on crime, it was society's fault not the indiviual. Single parents, no supervision, gangs, and drugs. States Attorney's released individuals, low bonds, light sentences, released early because of Covid, cops are the bad guys, they're too brutal, yada yada yada. Things need to be toughened up. High bonds for violent crimes including carjacking. I think you need to let the cops be cops. They were called to a scene because someone broke the law. I remember when the cops beat the snot out of you if you got out of line. If your parents found out you got it worse at home. Not anymore.

 

[FA_Q2]

Well, the liberals wanted to go easier on crime, it was society's fault not the indiviual. Single parents, no supervision, gangs, and drugs. States Attorney's released individuals, low bonds, light sentences, released early because of Covid, cops are the bad guys, they're too brutal, yada yada yada. Things need to be toughened up. High bonds for violent crimes including carjacking. I think you need to let the cops be cops. They were called to a scene because someone broke the law. I remember when the cops beat the snot out of you if you got out of line. If your parents found out you got it worse at home. Not anymore.

Honestly, I do not think you really need most of that. I would say that we need far more cops and far fewer laws.

Take jaywalking. It is as asinine law in general and is almost never enforced. What is the point then? Just to make one more activity illegal and give the government more power to control you? Such laws need to be done away with as no one follows them anyway and regular breaking of the law leads to a general disregard for it elsewhere. Instead we need fewer laws that are almost always enforced. If you knew you were going to get caught for committing a crime, you would likely not commit the crime. Virtually everyone that ends up in jail has committed many, many, many crimes before they are finally caught and put away.

It is less about the severity of the punishment as it is about the consistency in administering it. Anyone that has ever raised a child should innately understand this, you do not get your kids to behave by being extremely hard, mean or threatening massive punishments. You get them to behave with consistency. I need very little 'punishment' to get my kids to act properly because they know i mean exatly what I say when I say it. There is no question what will happen if and when they cross a particular line.

That is not true in the current legal framework. If I were to speed the vast majority of the time I will receive no punishment for it at all. The tiny minority of times that may result in getting pulled over will mostly lead to nothing at all. That 1% chance that you will get a fine means the majority of time you will be fine.

And the fact everyone speeds here shows how ineffective that practice is. When I lived in Missouri, the area I lived in has almost no one speeding on the highway at any time. If you were going 5 over you were going to get caught and you would be fined, it was almost a guarantee. Consistency.

 

[SavannahMann]

I’m sure you will get an idea eventually. Just not yet.

 

[Woodznutz]

Honestly, I do not think you really need most of that. I would say that we need far more cops and far fewer laws.

Take jaywalking. It is as asinine law in general and is almost never enforced. What is the point then? Just to make one more activity illegal and give the government more power to control you? Such laws need to be done away with as no one follows them anyway and regular breaking of the law leads to a general disregard for it elsewhere. Instead we need fewer laws that are almost always enforced. If you knew you were going to get caught for committing a crime, you would likely not commit the crime. Virtually everyone that ends up in jail has committed many, many, many crimes before they are finally caught and put away.

It is less about the severity of the punishment as it is about the consistency in administering it. Anyone that has ever raised a child should innately understand this, you do not get your kids to behave by being extremely hard, mean or threatening massive punishments. You get them to behave with consistency. I need very little 'punishment' to get my kids to act properly because they know i mean exatly what I say when I say it. There is no question what will happen if and when they cross a particular line.

That is not true in the current legal framework. If I were to speed the vast majority of the time I will receive no punishment for it at all. The tiny minority of times that may result in getting pulled over will mostly lead to nothing at all. That 1% chance that you will get a fine means the majority of time you will be fine.

And the fact everyone speeds here shows how ineffective that practice is. When I lived in Missouri, the area I lived in has almost no one speeding on the highway at any time. If you were going 5 over you were going to get caught and you would be fined, it was almost a guarantee. Consistency.

If traffic is heavy the troopers will allow speeding to move traffic along. If they think traffic is going too fast they can just drive side by side at the speed limit for a few miles and slow everyone down. Pulling someone over only causes traffic to slow down until they're out of sight of the trooper.

 

[beagle9]

Honestly, I do not think you really need most of that. I would say that we need far more cops and far fewer laws.

Take jaywalking. It is as asinine law in general and is almost never enforced. What is the point then? Just to make one more activity illegal and give the government more power to control you? Such laws need to be done away with as no one follows them anyway and regular breaking of the law leads to a general disregard for it elsewhere. Instead we need fewer laws that are almost always enforced. If you knew you were going to get caught for committing a crime, you would likely not commit the crime. Virtually everyone that ends up in jail has committed many, many, many crimes before they are finally caught and put away.

It is less about the severity of the punishment as it is about the consistency in administering it. Anyone that has ever raised a child should innately understand this, you do not get your kids to behave by being extremely hard, mean or threatening massive punishments. You get them to behave with consistency. I need very little 'punishment' to get my kids to act properly because they know i mean exatly what I say when I say it. There is no question what will happen if and when they cross a particular line.

That is not true in the current legal framework. If I were to speed the vast majority of the time I will receive no punishment for it at all. The tiny minority of times that may result in getting pulled over will mostly lead to nothing at all. That 1% chance that you will get a fine means the majority of time you will be fine.

And the fact everyone speeds here shows how ineffective that practice is. When I lived in Missouri, the area I lived in has almost no one speeding on the highway at any time. If you were going 5 over you were going to get caught and you would be fined, it was almost a guarantee. Consistency.

Agree, and I'll do better than this (let me know).

We need to stop using law enforcement as a way to entrap the citizen for monetary gain's, and this for the city or county's involved in such a practice. It's like being taxed to death in an unfair way. Yes we may have violated a law or regulation, but the way the situation goes down, one would think that you were a bank robber because the pressure on the officer is to write so many tickets, and when this is the case it corrupts the officer's and the process.

Entrapment is the key word, and it should be illegal in every sense of the word. I got stopped not long ago for an example, and lucky for me I had technology in my vehicle that gave me GPS, camera, and speed. I was running 60 in a 55. A large truck passed me probably running 70 or 71 on the 4 Lane rural highway that has a 55 speed limit. Well the highway patrolman came into view as soon as the truck went by him, and he passed me next then turning around to come behind us. The truck was gone, and he was riding behind me. Next he blue lighted me, so I pulled over. He came up and says to me at my window " you know you were going 71 miles and hour when I clocked you right" ?? I said uhhhh nope you must be mistaken officer, because I was running 60 (wasn't going to lie about it). Then I said that he must have clocked the truck that passed me somehow. He said nope I set in on you. I then told him " well I got a camera that tracks this vehicles speed and such, so we can use that to clear this up if you need. All of a sudden he looks at me and says "well I wasn't going to give you a ticket or anything like that". Then he gives me a warning that stated that he stopped me for 1 to 5 over the speed limit.

It's really tragic what goes on sometimes.

Need a three strike rule on traffic stops, otherwise two warnings and then a ticket if the same violation is abused 3 times. They have the record right there on their computer's, so they know your record once they bring it up. Now depending on the violation stopped for, then that should determine the degree in which the fine or arrest should take place, but on simple violations then the three strikes before a ticket rule (that has a fine associated with it) should be the new golden rule to follow.

Stop using simple traffic stops to feed a budget for government, and thus causing officer's to become corrupted or shady by such a thing.

 

[FA_Q2]

Agree, and I'll do better than this (let me know).

We need to stop using law enforcement as a way to entrap the citizen for monetary gain's, and this for the city or county's involved in such a practice. It's like being taxed to death in an unfair way. Yes we may have violated a law or regulation, but the way the situation goes down, one would think that you were a bank robber because the pressure on the officer is to write so many tickets, and when this is the case it corrupts the officer's and the process.

Entrapment is the key word, and it should be illegal in every sense of the word. I got stopped not long ago for an example, and lucky for me I had technology in my vehicle that gave me GPS, camera, and speed. I was running 60 in a 55. A large truck passed me probably running 70 or 71 on the 4 Lane rural highway that has a 55 speed limit. Well the highway patrolman came into view as soon as the truck went by him, and he passed me next then turning around to come behind us. The truck was gone, and he was riding behind me. Next he blue lighted me, so I pulled over. He came up and says to me at my window " you know you were going 71 miles and hour when I clocked you right" ?? I said uhhhh nope you must be mistaken officer, because I was running 60 (wasn't going to lie about it). Then I said that he must have clocked the truck that passed me somehow. He said nope I set in on you. I then told him " well I got a camera that tracks this vehicles speed and such, so we can use that to clear this up if you need. All of a sudden he looks at me and says "well I wasn't going to give you a ticket or anything like that". Then he gives me a warning that stated that he stopped me for 1 to 5 over the speed limit.

It's really tragic what goes on sometimes.

Need a three strike rule on traffic stops, otherwise two warnings and then a ticket if the same violation is abused 3 times. They have the record right there on their computer's, so they know your record once they bring it up. Now depending on the violation stopped for, then that should determine the degree in which the fine or arrest should take place, but on simple violations then the three strikes before a ticket rule (that has a fine associated with it) should be the new golden rule to follow.

Stop using simple traffic stops to feed a budget for government, and thus causing officer's to become corrupted or shady by such a thing.

Cant agree more.

I have thought for awhile now that fines should generally be removed from almost any crime in general beyond reparation for damages. In general, it seems ill advised to make it profitable for the government to infringe on your rights.

 

[beagle9]

Cant agree more.

I have thought for awhile now that fines should generally be removed from almost any crime in general beyond reparation for damages. In general, it seems ill advised to make it profitable for the government to infringe on your rights.

Follow the money yes.

 

[Woodznutz]

There comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. Our laws and our civic norms are not the problem in this country. Criminals are the problem in this country, from violent protests and city take overs, to smash and grabs and the thousands and thousands of murders in our cities. Robberies, car jackings, and overall lawlessness by people of all stripes, and yes the capitol riot and intrusion into the Congress. Even this:

MSN

www.msn.com

The article even says it's been going on for months, even spending millions and millions spent to replace the copper wires at traffic lights.

Meanwhile our politicians turn a complete blind eye to towards the criminals and their destruction of America and claim that the police are our problem. Activists and lawmakers who make excuses for criminals are the problem in America, and if we don't change this, we won't have an America very soon. The police are our last line of defense, right now the term "thin blue line" has never been more apt. But I don't want to rely on a thin blue line that is being made thinner and weaker by our so-called leaders. I want politicians who will stop making excuses for our criminals, fund and increase and properly train our police departments and stop sniveling and apologizing every time someone cries about having their feelings hurt. . Opening the prison doors and pretending our world was full of fuzzy teddy bears and rainbows was the most stupid thing our society has ever done.

Our problem is not that we won't have a three-month voting period, our problem is that we don't have anyone to vote for that is not stupid.

Either we stop the crime now, or nothing else is going to matter. I never dreamed that our nation would become like a third world country. It's despicable.

Drug use is the single biggest 'engine' driving crime.
The entire drug enterprise, from producer to consumer is driven by the users of drugs, whether hard-core addicts or casual users. The only way to stop drug-driven crime is to cut off the "head". Not the cartels or dealers, but the users. They provide the life blood of the drug trade...the money.

 

[1stNickD]

So more of the same. Build more prisons. More people in jail for longer. Lol ya we already tried it. Maybe if the typical American didn't work so many more hours than the rest of the wild dad would be home to teach children values. Throw in more new school s than prison s. That would work But ya try the same thing and expect different results is the definition of insanity according to Einstein.

Not more people in jail, more criminals in jail. Its simple if you don't want to go to jail don't be a freaking criminal. Please remove the top part of your anatomy from the backside of your anatomy. You obviously ignored the art where I support rehabilitation, it's funny how your ilk always ignores such things so you can maintain your perverted ideologies.

 

[1stNickD]

Drug use is the single biggest 'engine' driving crime.
The entire drug enterprise, from producer to consumer is driven by the users of drugs, whether hard-core addicts or casual users. The only way to stop drug-driven crime is to cut off the "head". Not the cartels or dealers, but the users. They provide the life blood of the drug trade...the money.

It's not just drugs but they are a large part of the problem. Those who claim that legalizing drugs will stop the problem have been proven wrong. The black market in areas where pot has been legalized thrives more than it ever did before. people are no longer afraid of being caught with pot, and without taxes the price of street pot is far cheaper. And it is well known the same people who have the supply lines for illegal pot are the same people who have the supply lines for heroin, coke and fentanyl. Worst of all they have the open lines to meth, the worst creator of drug related violence by users on earth.

Our nation's biggest problem is the lack of morals and self-responsibility. When people commit crimes, they are excused "because it's not their fault". People produce children they have no intentions of raising, and many use that as an excuse to justify abortion. Since the welfare of 1964 we have had at least four generations of children having babies they cannot support, and do not know how to raise, because they themselves were born to children who did not know how to raise them. As a result, we have, both black and white, millions of "adults" with no clue how to be adults, and who have never learned self control or what civic responsibility means.

Our schools are being forced to teach curriculums that destroy the nuclear family in favor of animalistic norms and that manhood, self-reliance and individual achievement is something that must be rejected. The end result is going to be total anarchy, and the socialists believe that once anarchy has been achieved, people will accept their total government control as the only avenue to social tranquility.

When people are responsible for themselves and raising their own children well, and when morality is naturally assumed as part of that personal responsibility, freedom for all is possible. And in order to protect that freedom, the criminals need to be locked away from the responsible people until they have learned how to be responsible for themselves without criminal activity.

 

[Woodznutz]

It's not just drugs but they are a large part of the problem. Those who claim that legalizing drugs will stop the problem have been proven wrong. The black market in areas where pot has been legalized thrives more than it ever did before. people are no longer afraid of being caught with pot, and without taxes the price of street pot is far cheaper. And it is well known the same people who have the supply lines for illegal pot are the same people who have the supply lines for heroin, coke and fentanyl. Worst of all they have the open lines to meth, the worst creator of drug related violence by users on earth.

Our nation's biggest problem is the lack of morals and self-responsibility. When people commit crimes, they are excused "because it's not their fault". People produce children they have no intentions of raising, and many use that as an excuse to justify abortion. Since the welfare of 1964 we have had at least four generations of children having babies they cannot support, and do not know how to raise, because they themselves were born to children who did not know how to raise them. As a result, we have, both black and white, millions of "adults" with no clue how to be adults, and who have never learned self control or what civic responsibility means.

Our schools are being forced to teach curriculums that destroy the nuclear family in favor of animalistic norms and that manhood, self-reliance and individual achievement is something that must be rejected. The end result is going to be total anarchy, and the socialists believe that once anarchy has been achieved, people will accept their total government control as the only avenue to social tranquility.

When people are responsible for themselves and raising their own children well, and when morality is naturally assumed as part of that personal responsibility, freedom for all is possible. And in order to protect that freedom, the criminals need to be locked away from the responsible people until they have learned how to be responsible for themselves without criminal activity.

I couldn't have said it better.