When Were Universities Granted the Authority to Become a Judical Branch in Criminal Cases?

[Missouri_Mike]

I missed that one. If you rape someone at your work your work does not hold a trial. You call the cops, who then present it to the DA who then takes you to court where Constitutional procedures are followed.

Fortunately Devos is eliminating the insanity.

Here Is Every Crazy Title IX Rape Case Betsy DeVos Referenced, Plus a Bunch More

#1 Campus police are sworn police officers.

#2 Using your analogy, your boss will listen to both sides of the story, wait a few weeks to see if they change, then maybe call the police. Also, the workplace victim (in your analogy) would be encouraged to take the rest of the semester off, while the rapists is allowed to continue making big deals for the firm (playing football)…

So, you FAIL…

Campus security rent a cops aren't law officers WTF are you thinking? They have the same legal authority as a mall cop.

That's why you don't go to your boss for a crime committed against you. You get the actual police.

Depends on the campus. At UCLA they are actual LAPD.

Well then you go directly to them and skip the college idiots right? Of course in California things that make sense are against the law so there's that.

 

[Coyote]

Coming from you...that's pretty funny.

Bill Clinton is innocent until proven guilty right?

Clinton was found guilty.

Try again.

Of sexual assault? Try again.

Don't hurt yourself moving those goal posts.

He was found guilty of perjury. BTW, how is didling a subordinate that you have 100% power over NOT sexual assualt? Because he is a democrat and party is too important to concern yourself with such things?

We were talking about sexual assault. *cough* speaking of moving goal posts...

And now you're trying to spin it - remember what you said: innocent until proven guilty? How's that working?

You lied that Clinton was a poor victim and not found guilty.

Hey, you're a leftist, it's just what you do...

Now I know you've lost the argument

Never said he was a "victim".

All I said was - what you did: "innocent until proven guilty".

Are you admitting that isn't so?

 

[JoeB131]

You missed the Rape on Campus scandal obviously.

No, I didn't miss it, I just don't consider it that important.

For every supposedly 'false" report, you have 100 cases that aren't reported or universities sweep under the rug.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't hurt yourself moving those goal posts.

He was found guilty of perjury. BTW, how is didling a subordinate that you have 100% power over NOT sexual assualt? Because he is a democrat and party is too important to concern yourself with such things?

no, because Lewinsky came on to him, that's why it wasn't sexual assault.

 

[koshergrl]

I missed that one. If you rape someone at your work your work does not hold a trial. You call the cops, who then present it to the DA who then takes you to court where Constitutional procedures are followed.

Fortunately Devos is eliminating the insanity.

Here Is Every Crazy Title IX Rape Case Betsy DeVos Referenced, Plus a Bunch More

I promise you, if you rape your coworker, or even get accused of raping your coworker, you WILL get fired.

Pretty much the same thing here. You act badly on campus, you get expelled.

The real problem is exactly the opposite of what De Vos thinks it is. It isn't that universities are being too hard core prosecuting rapists, it's that htey are as much as possible, sweeping these incidents under the rug.

NObody wants to send their daughter to Rape U.

A public university is not a private business. They should be letting the courts handle such cases, and not impose penalties based on their own Kangaroo court legal process.

It works both ways. They alternately discourage women from bringing a case against their rapist.

 

[JoeB131]

It works both ways. They alternately discourage women from bringing a case against their rapist.

Yes, they did. That is EXACTLY what the Title IX suits the Obama people brought were meant to address, the fact that universities were sweeping these things under the rug. Like Ken Starr did at Baylor. (If only he put as much effort into catching real rapists on his campus that he did investigating Bill Clinton's sex life.)

and this is the problem. A criminal case can take years to wind through the courts. It's ridiculous to ask a victim to keep attending classes with her rapist while the courts are figuring it out. It's more ridiculous for a university to put other students at risk while the courts are figuring it out.

 

[martybegan]

It works both ways. They alternately discourage women from bringing a case against their rapist.

Yes, they did. That is EXACTLY what the Title IX suits the Obama people brought were meant to address, the fact that universities were sweeping these things under the rug. Like Ken Starr did at Baylor. (If only he put as much effort into catching real rapists on his campus that he did investigating Bill Clinton's sex life.)

and this is the problem. A criminal case can take years to wind through the courts. It's ridiculous to ask a victim to keep attending classes with her rapist while the courts are figuring it out. It's more ridiculous for a university to put other students at risk while the courts are figuring it out.

And it's less ridiculous to ruin someone over nothing more than an accusation? And the "it takes years to resolve a court case" point is bullshit because it doesn't take that long to press charges against someone if the evidence warrants it. Once charges are pressed the University/College is free to expel or suspend the Student as it sees fit. however in too many of these cases charges are not pressed due to lack of evidence of a crime being committed and the university/college takes it upon itself to dispense "justice"

Look at all the very successful lawsuits going through the courts by men who have been railroaded through they system for a simple drunken hookup.

 

[JoeB131]

And it's less ridiculous to ruin someone over nothing more than an accusation? And the "it takes years to resolve a court case" point is bullshit because it doesn't take that long to press charges against someone if the evidence warrants it. Once charges are pressed the University/College is free to expel or suspend the Student as it sees fit. however in too many of these cases charges are not pressed due to lack of evidence of a crime being committed and the university/college takes it upon itself to dispense "justice"

Look at all the very successful lawsuits going through the courts by men who have been railroaded through they system for a simple drunken hookup.

again, the thing is, only 3% of rapists ever see the inside of a jail cell.

The universities are only protecting their students because law enforcement can't.

There have far more lawsuits filed by women who have been raped by guys that the university knew were a problem, but they refused to take action.

Baylor University reaches settlement in Texas gang rape lawsuit

In her lawsuit, the former student charged Baylor with turning a blind eye to sexual assaults to build a strong football team under then-coach Art Briles. She said she was aware of 52 incidents of rape by more than 30 football players between 2011 and 2014.

“Under Briles, the culture of Baylor football and rape became synonymous,” the lawsuit said, adding Baylor was doing nothing to stop it.​

 

[bripat9643]

Don't hurt yourself moving those goal posts.

He was found guilty of perjury. BTW, how is didling a subordinate that you have 100% power over NOT sexual assualt? Because he is a democrat and party is too important to concern yourself with such things?

no, because Lewinsky came on to him, that's why it wasn't sexual assault.

It was sexual harassment, according to the legal definition.

 

[martybegan]

And it's less ridiculous to ruin someone over nothing more than an accusation? And the "it takes years to resolve a court case" point is bullshit because it doesn't take that long to press charges against someone if the evidence warrants it. Once charges are pressed the University/College is free to expel or suspend the Student as it sees fit. however in too many of these cases charges are not pressed due to lack of evidence of a crime being committed and the university/college takes it upon itself to dispense "justice"

Look at all the very successful lawsuits going through the courts by men who have been railroaded through they system for a simple drunken hookup.

again, the thing is, only 3% of rapists ever see the inside of a jail cell.

The universities are only protecting their students because law enforcement can't.

There have far more lawsuits filed by women who have been raped by guys that the university knew were a problem, but they refused to take action.

Baylor University reaches settlement in Texas gang rape lawsuit

In her lawsuit, the former student charged Baylor with turning a blind eye to sexual assaults to build a strong football team under then-coach Art Briles. She said she was aware of 52 incidents of rape by more than 30 football players between 2011 and 2014.

“Under Briles, the culture of Baylor football and rape became synonymous,” the lawsuit said, adding Baylor was doing nothing to stop it.​

That has nothing to do with Universities denying due process to it's students.

So the accused males aren't students as well?

Give me some numbers to back up "far more", i seriously doubt anything you claim due to your track record.

And the Baylor case resulted in actual convictions in a court of law.

The cases that are an issue are the ones like these:

Occidental College: Student Found Guilty of Sexual Assault After Incapacitation Standard Is Misapplied - FIRE

Stanford University: Biased Sexual Misconduct Procedures and Unjust Guilty Finding - FIRE

Opinion | Campus sexual assault policies are unfair to the accused. This case shows how.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

I missed that one. If you rape someone at your work your work does not hold a trial. You call the cops, who then present it to the DA who then takes you to court where Constitutional procedures are followed.

Fortunately Devos is eliminating the insanity.

Here Is Every Crazy Title IX Rape Case Betsy DeVos Referenced, Plus a Bunch More

this started under Obama, or just before him, but went unchecked by him.

a 'female' can accuse any male of rape, for any reason, the more absurd the better. But if there is ZERO evidence, she can demand the school do something, so to cater to this utter nonsense, honest law abiding men are put through the ringer where they are guilty of being a man, and 'convicted' before the 'trial' even starts.

they keep this up, no man will want to be a leftists for fear of being arrested for looking at a chicks ass.

Have to agree, this is obviously driven by crazed feminazis who find such concepts as presumption of innocence and evidence tedious and unnecessary .

 

[JoeB131]

It was sexual harassment, according to the legal definition.

Um, no. Sexual harrassment is an UNWANTED sexual advance. Clearly, Ms. Lewinsky wanted a relationship.

Probably more than Clinton did.

Now, if only Ken Starr has put as much effort into investigating hundreds of actual rapes on his campus that he put into investigating Clinton's sex life.

 

[JoeB131]

That has nothing to do with Universities denying due process to it's students.

So the accused males aren't students as well?

Give me some numbers to back up "far more", i seriously doubt anything you claim due to your track record.

Guy, I've been providing backup this entire thread. and, no, male students who commit rape don't get the same consideration.

Campus Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Sexual violence on campus is pervasive.

• 11.2% of all students experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation (among all graduate and undergraduate students).2
• Among graduate and professional students, 8.8% of females and 2.2% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• Among undergraduate students, 23.1% of females and 5.4% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• 4.2% of students have experienced stalking since entering college.2

And the Baylor case resulted in actual convictions in a court of law.

After YEARS of the university ignoring the problem and covering it up.

The cases that are an issue are the ones like these:

Weak Sauce even by your standards.

The third one is a guy who was banging his friend's girlfriend.

 

[bripat9643]

It was sexual harassment, according to the legal definition.

Um, no. Sexual harrassment is an UNWANTED sexual advance. Clearly, Ms. Lewinsky wanted a relationship.

Probably more than Clinton did.

Now, if only Ken Starr has put as much effort into investigating hundreds of actual rapes on his campus that he put into investigating Clinton's sex life.

Sorry, douche bag, but a sexual relationship between an employer and an underling is considered harassment under the VAW act.

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry, douche bag, but a sexual relationship between an employer and an underling is considered harassment under the VAW act.

Can you provide a link to that or are you just repeating whatever shit you hear on hate radio?

 

[martybegan]

That has nothing to do with Universities denying due process to it's students.

So the accused males aren't students as well?

Give me some numbers to back up "far more", i seriously doubt anything you claim due to your track record.

Guy, I've been providing backup this entire thread. and, no, male students who commit rape don't get the same consideration.

Campus Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Sexual violence on campus is pervasive.

• 11.2% of all students experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation (among all graduate and undergraduate students).2
• Among graduate and professional students, 8.8% of females and 2.2% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• Among undergraduate students, 23.1% of females and 5.4% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• 4.2% of students have experienced stalking since entering college.2

And the Baylor case resulted in actual convictions in a court of law.

After YEARS of the university ignoring the problem and covering it up.

The cases that are an issue are the ones like these:

Weak Sauce even by your standards.

The third one is a guy who was banging his friend's girlfriend.

From your "data"

Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime. On RAINN’s website, we have tried to select the most reliable source of statistics for each topic. The primary data source we use is the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is an annual study conducted by the Justice Department. To conduct NCVS, researchers interview tens of thousands of Americans each year to learn about crimes that they’ve experienced. Based on those interviews, the study provides estimates of the total number of crimes, including those that were not reported to police. While NCVS has a number of limitations (most importantly, children under age 12 are not included), overall, it is the most reliable source of crime statistics in the U.S.

And i noticed they included the term "incapacitated" in the statistics. The problem is a lot of these studies consider 1-2 drinks to be "incapacitated" when it should really mean unconscious.

A lot of these cases involve two drunk people having sex and the girl regretting it the next day. That isn't rape or sexual assault.

 

[JoeB131]

And i noticed they included the term "incapacitated" in the statistics. The problem is a lot of these studies consider 1-2 drinks to be "incapacitated" when it should really mean unconscious.

A lot of these cases involve two drunk people having sex and the girl regretting it the next day. That isn't rape or sexual assault.

Wow... really? This is your argument. It was okay to bang her if she was drunk?

As long as she wasn't passed out, it's okay?

This is your argument? Really?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And i noticed they included the term "incapacitated" in the statistics. The problem is a lot of these studies consider 1-2 drinks to be "incapacitated" when it should really mean unconscious.

A lot of these cases involve two drunk people having sex and the girl regretting it the next day. That isn't rape or sexual assault.

Wow... really? This is your argument. It was okay to bang her if she was drunk?

As long as she wasn't passed out, it's okay?

This is your argument? Really?

Drunk people have been banging for centuries.

 

[martybegan]

And i noticed they included the term "incapacitated" in the statistics. The problem is a lot of these studies consider 1-2 drinks to be "incapacitated" when it should really mean unconscious.

A lot of these cases involve two drunk people having sex and the girl regretting it the next day. That isn't rape or sexual assault.

Wow... really? This is your argument. It was okay to bang her if she was drunk?

As long as she wasn't passed out, it's okay?

This is your argument? Really?

I don't get involved in the sex lives of college students, and you shouldn't either. And unless there is an actual crime then the schools shouldn't as well.

Having sex when drunk and regretting it afterwards does not mean you get to accuse the other person of rape or assault. To do so is an insult to people who have actually been raped or assaulted.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That has nothing to do with Universities denying due process to it's students.

So the accused males aren't students as well?

Give me some numbers to back up "far more", i seriously doubt anything you claim due to your track record.

Guy, I've been providing backup this entire thread. and, no, male students who commit rape don't get the same consideration.

Campus Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

Sexual violence on campus is pervasive.

• 11.2% of all students experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation (among all graduate and undergraduate students).2
• Among graduate and professional students, 8.8% of females and 2.2% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• Among undergraduate students, 23.1% of females and 5.4% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation.2
• 4.2% of students have experienced stalking since entering college.2

And the Baylor case resulted in actual convictions in a court of law.

After YEARS of the university ignoring the problem and covering it up.

The cases that are an issue are the ones like these:

Weak Sauce even by your standards.

The third one is a guy who was banging his friend's girlfriend.

From your "data"

Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime. On RAINN’s website, we have tried to select the most reliable source of statistics for each topic. The primary data source we use is the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is an annual study conducted by the Justice Department. To conduct NCVS, researchers interview tens of thousands of Americans each year to learn about crimes that they’ve experienced. Based on those interviews, the study provides estimates of the total number of crimes, including those that were not reported to police. While NCVS has a number of limitations (most importantly, children under age 12 are not included), overall, it is the most reliable source of crime statistics in the U.S.

And i noticed they included the term "incapacitated" in the statistics. The problem is a lot of these studies consider 1-2 drinks to be "incapacitated" when it should really mean unconscious.

A lot of these cases involve two drunk people having sex and the girl regretting it the next day. That isn't rape or sexual assault.

Exactly.... buyers remorse isn't rape.