elektra
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certainly, being brainless, you are bewilderedMany here do seem to be functioning with only a lizard brain, but it is a functioning lizard brain.
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certainly, being brainless, you are bewilderedMany here do seem to be functioning with only a lizard brain, but it is a functioning lizard brain.
I claim no medical expertise, but I have had lengthy converations with people who do have extensive expertise, and I generally back up any claims I might make with credible proof.and your medical expertise is a google search?
Can I walk into a hospital and stab someone who is brain dead? What if that person who was brain dead would recover in say 9 months can I still stab him while he's brain dead?I know plenty of people in their 40's, 50's and 60's who would not qualify under that metric. Many of them post here.
yes, well many of us who have kids, have seen the early ultrasounds, of a beating heart, so there is that, our fact and eyewitness compared to people you talk to.I claim no medical expertise, but I have had lengthy converations with people who do have extensive expertise, and I generally back up any claims I might make with credible proof.
Please present the science that says you can have a heartbeat, as we know it, without any muscle, or heart structure present.
yes, well many of us who have kids, have seen the early ultrasounds, of a beating heart, so there is that, our fact and eyewitness compared to people you talk to.
Those early ultrasounds showed a few cells that would eventually become part of the heart. They didn't show a heart, because a heart doesn't exist at that point. There are no structures such as valves or chambers because there is no muscle to form them. All that happens much later in a short 4 day period starting on day 124.yes, well many of us who have kids, have seen the early ultrasounds, of a beating heart, so there is that, our fact and eyewitness compared to people you talk to.
There's nothing wrong that infant's heart. The problem is the heartless adult female who desires to experience transitory sensual pleasure with another adult and murder an innocent child as a human sacrifice for her sin.no heart structure present to actually behave as a heart behaves. No valves, no chambers, no muscle to pump anything.
Science says otherwise. The egg and sperm are not life before they join.Conception isn't the start of life. The egg and sperm are life before they join, and continue to be life after they join. The question is when does it become a seperate and individual life.
I'm convinced that the actually believe the crap they spew. People they trust told them it was so, so in their minds, it must be so. If I believed the crazy shit they do, I would probably be ranting right along with them. I have no idea what the solution might be. It's a scary/sad situation.
The egg and sperm are certainly living cells.Science says otherwise. The egg and sperm are not life before they join.
When Do Human Beings Begin?
The fusion of the sperm (with 23 chromosomes) and the oocyte (with 23 chromosomes) at fertilization results in a live human being, a single-cell human zygote, with 46 chromosomes�the number of chromosomes characteristic of an individual member of the human species. Quoting Moore:
"Zygote: This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo). The expression fertilized ovum refers to a secondary oocyte that is impregnated by a sperm; when fertilization is complete, the oocyte becomes a zygote."10 (Emphasis added.)
This new single-cell human being immediately produces specifically human proteins and enzymes11 (not carrot or frog enzymes and proteins), and genetically directs his/her own growth and development. (In fact, this genetic growth and development has been proven not to be directed by the mother.)12 Finally, this new human being�the single-cell human zygote�is biologically an individual, a living organism�an individual member of the human species. Quoting Larsen:
"... [W]e begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual."13 (Emphasis added.)
In sum, a mature human sperm and a mature human oocyte are products of gametogenesis�each has only 23 chromosomes. They each have only half of the required number of chromosomes for a human being. They cannot singly develop further into human beings. They produce only "gamete" proteins and enzymes. They do not direct their own growth and development. And they are not individuals, i.e., members of the human species. They are only parts�each one a part of a human being. On the other hand, a human being is the immediate product of fertilization. As such he/she is a single-cell embryonic zygote, an organism with 46 chromosomes, the number required of a member of the human species. This human being immediately produces specifically human proteins and enzymes, directs his/her own further growth and development as human, and is a new, genetically unique, newly existing, live human individual.
sorry, but doctors say you are wrong, no matter how much you scream you are not murdering babies, the facts say you dont know a single thing about this topic.Those early ultrasounds showed a few cells that would eventually become part of the heart. They didn't show a heart, because a heart doesn't exist at that point. There are no structures such as valves or chambers because there is no muscle to form them. All that happens much later in a short 4 day period starting on day 124.
So which doctors say muscles, valves, chambers, and all the other parts required for a heart are present at 6 weeks? Link please.sorry, but doctors say you are wrong, no matter how much you scream you are not murdering babies, the facts say you dont know a single thing about this topic.
I'm convinced that the actually believe the crap they spew. The TV told them it was so, so in their minds, it must be so. If I believed the crazy shit they do, I would probably be ranting right along with them. I have no idea what the solution might be. It's a scary/sad situation.I'm convinced that the actually believe the crap they spew. People they trust told them it was so, so in their minds, it must be so. If I believed the crazy shit they do, I would probably be ranting right along with them. I have no idea what the solution might be. It's a scary/sad situation.
first, link to the doctors that say all these must be fully developed before it is a heart.So which doctors say muscles, valves, chambers, and all the other parts required for a heart are present at 6 weeks? Link please.
yet you rant just the same????I'm convinced that the actually believe the crap they spew. The TV told them it was so, so in their minds, it must be so. If I believed the crazy shit they do, I would probably be ranting right along with them. I have no idea what the solution might be. It's a scary/sad situation.
That was quite a delusional opinion piece. Pro-lifers say the craziest things to justify their giggling homidical massacre of helpless haploid humans. Whatever helps them sleep at night, I suppose.Science says otherwise. The egg and sperm are not life before they join.
If this is truly the most salient point you can come up with in this whole big debate, I feel sorry for you and the narrow little mind beyond which you have not managed to evolve.So which doctors say muscles, valves, chambers, and all the other parts required for a heart are present at 6 weeks? Link please.