When it is really a heartbeat.

[22lcidw]

Freedom remember!!

Like the couple on their porch with weapons trying to defend their home from insurrectionists and then being blamed and castigated and charged with crimes for doing so. Freedom.

 

[Concerned American]

I don't have to, and I am too old to get pg. I disdain the pro life movement.

We disdain you as well, MURDERER.

 

[elektra]

I don't have to shut up. Why is it any of your business??

You are here dictating to others, being a hypocrite.

Just pointing out how the people who kill babies are tyrannical nut jobs trying to shut everyone, as if we have no business doing what you do. Advocating.

Of course you do want death for babies, we want life.

 

[BULLDOG]

Arcane anatomy discussions aside, would the left accept a ban on aborting unborn humans with a viable heartbeat?

Perhaps the right will make an honest claim that the heartbeat starts at 20 weeks, like science proved, insteat of six weeks, which is a lie, and we will see what the response is.

 

[Papageorgio]

Facts are good. A beating heart does not exist at six weeks. That is a fact.

And the baby is a life at conception, facts are facts.

 

[Couchpotato]

I understand what the abortion debate is about. The claim of a beating heart at six weeks was made to support one side of that debate. That particular claim has been debunked. Repeating debunked claims is lying. Is your belief so weak till you have to lie?

If you understand the debate then draw your line, and support it.

 

[Darkwind]

Freedom remember!!

This has nothing to do with what I said.

When you want to kill something, a human, a village, an ethnic group; the one thing that always happens is those who will be doing the killing will brainwash their followers into thinking that those they are going to kill are not even human. It is even done to justify slavery.

Abortion is no different. For the sake of convenience, those who murder the most innocent of life justify it by dehumanizing it.

 

[Darkwind]

Darkwind
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How is it any of YOUR BUSINESS?

For those of the world who actually have real compassion, not that dross you clowns spoon about, murder is everyone's business.

Or are you of the mindset that killing innocent humans is a-okay?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Murder is everyone's business, especially when the victim has no other voice.

You can say that again.

In fact, it appears that you did.

Murder is everyone's business, especially when the victim has no other voice.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And the baby is a life at conception, facts are facts.

Not just a “life”.

A human being.

 

[Concerned American]

You can say that again.

In fact, it appears that you did.

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I figured if she could repeat the charge, I could repeat the response.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Freedom remember!!

Just not for the baby right?

 

[BULLDOG]

And the baby is a life at conception, facts are facts.

I understand you believe that. Your belief is not proof that what exists at six weeks is a beating heart.

 

[BULLDOG]

If you understand the debate then draw your line, and support it.

I did in the OP. You didn't read it? Claims that a beating heart exists at 6 weeks are false.

 

[Couchpotato]

I did in the OP. You didn't read it? Claims that a beating heart exists at 6 weeks are false.

Are you just naturally dumb or do you take stupid pills?
Read this slowly.


What is your definition of life? What makes a baby born at 10 am a life but the same baby not a life at 9:59:59 am?

 

[BULLDOG]

Are you just naturally dumb or do you take stupid pills?
Read this slowly.


What is your definition of life? What makes a baby born at 10 am a life but the same baby not a life at 9:59:59 am?

You are making absurd and uninformed assumptions about when I believe a distinct human life begins. Your assumptions are wrong. This thread is not about the definition of life. It's about whether a beating heart exists at six weeks into the pregnancy. If you want to discuss the definition of life, then start a thread on it. I'll probably join that discussion. I suspect there is much we would agree on in that discussion.

 

[Papageorgio]

I understand you believe that. Your belief is not proof that what exists at six weeks is a beating heart.

I believe the science not an opinion, it is a fact proven by science, so your point is moot, because whether the heart is beating or not, it is still a life.

 

[BULLDOG]

I believe the science not an opinion, it is a fact proven by science, so your point is moot, because whether the heart is beating or not, it is still a life.

Anti abortionists pressed the claim that there was a beating heart at six weeks. Why do you think they decided to lie to support their goal? Is their case so weak till they have to lie?

 

[JoeB131]

There's one more kid that will never go to school, never get to fall in love, never get to be cool...
Keep on rocking in the free world.

He also won't grow up to be a criminal
suck off the welfare teet
etc.

There's a reason why the Crime Rate suddenly dropped off the cliff 20 years after Roe v. Wade. We are all better off for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Surely, the most essential function of any civilized society is to protect each person from those who would unjustly cause them harm.

What crime is there, that cannot equally be dismissed by your cries of “How is it any of YOUR BUSINESS?”

How is it any of YOUR BUSINESS if someone wants to break into your home, and kill you and your family?

Uh, Mormon Bob, we have pretty much universal agreement that breaking into someone's home and killing them is bad. I mean, not enough where we make it harder for criminals to get guns or doing something about poverty... but when it happens, we all agree it should be punished.

The problem with all you guys who want to ban a woman from choosing is that you never say what you are going to do once you get that law.

Throw women in jail? Honestly, good luck with that. They never put women in jail for having abortions before Roe. Prosecutors didn't bring charges, police didn't arrest people, juries wouldn't convict then, they certainly won't now.

I've said, If I ever found myself on a jury on an abortion case, I'd vote to acquit, I wouldn't care if they had film of the abortion being performed and the doctor throwing the fetus across the room for a three pointer into the medical waste container.