Zone1 When Is A Baby Considered Alive?

[Leo123]

It was outside and definitely a separate entity when I declined a viewing.

OK, I'm gonna make this less personal. We all know that a sperm entering an egg will most likely spark a new, unique life force (zyogote). Therefore, the zygote is not all the host's but consists of DNA from the donor sperm. Therefore, the life growing in the womb is a new, separate entity. It is not exclusively part of the host. In fact, if left to develop, it will always result in a separate human being living outside the womb and will not go back or be part of the host.

In fact, the zygote was NEVER exclusively part of the host. It was growing inside the host getting shelter and nourishment from the host.

 

[d0gbreath]

OK, I'm gonna make this less personal. We all know that a sperm entering an egg will most likely spark a new, unique life force (zyogote). Therefore, the zygote is not all the host's but consists of DNA from the donor sperm. Therefore, the life growing in the womb is a new, separate entity. It is not exclusively part of the host. In fact, if left to develop, it will always result in a separate human being living outside the womb and will not go back or be part of the host.

In fact, the zygote was NEVER exclusively part of the host. It was growing inside the host getting shelter and nourishment from the host.

I remember test tube babies back in the '60s. A zygote in a test tube would be a separate entity for sure!

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Anthropocentic Psychosis Check - Leave Great Ape Vanity At The Door "

* Us Republic Founded Upon Independence Of The Individual *

OK, I'm gonna make this less personal. We all know that a sperm entering an egg will most likely spark a new, unique life force (zyogote). Therefore, the zygote is not all the host's but consists of DNA from the donor sperm. Therefore, the life growing in the womb is a new, separate entity. It is not exclusively part of the host. In fact, if left to develop, it will always result in a separate human being living outside the womb and will not go back or be part of the host.
In fact, the zygote was NEVER exclusively part of the host. It was growing inside the host getting shelter and nourishment from the host.

An etymology of the term person is per son , as in countable by census and male .

By etymology of us 14th amendment , any person may become a us citizen , which directs that females are not sons , hence by etymology of us 14th amendment , females are not citizens of us republic .

If by etymology , from per son in us 14th amendment , the mother not being a person , and not technically a citizen , as citizenship is reserved for sons , how could a female mother determine citizenship of the child ?

How could a child born of a female receive citizenship of its mother , clearly citizenship of the child is determined through the father ?

An etymology of the term human is hue man , as in semblance of a man , as in hue mammal , as in hue mammon ape .

Anthropocentric psychosis does not validate legitimate limitations of relationships between a federate , a state and individual citizens .

By us 14th amendment , equal protection is an unermerated rite , and citizenship includes a non incidental requirement for live birth , and title 1 section 8 of us code defines a person as any hominid of genus homo sapiens sapiens , whom is born alive at any time of development .

The dumbfounded decision of dobbs by scotus is sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , as well as malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code , and justices ruling in the affirmative should be charged with crimes as should any despot suspending us constitution .

A us state does not have the power to abrogate an enumerated rite of equal protection in us 14th amendment , or a live birth requirement to become a us citizen .

 

[JoeB131]

I remember test tube babies back in the '60s. A zygote in a test tube would be a separate entity for sure!

Actually, the first test tube baby (which we now call in vitro fertilization) didn't happen until the late 1970s.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I think when there is a new unique being growing with its own DNA... it's up to the pro-abortionists to prove it's not "alive" or worthy of being protected.

We talk about the possiblity of "Life on other planets!!!" and look for microbial evidence on Mars and other celestial bodies to declare "life"... yet, a fetus (a word that means 'human' or 'being') right here on planet earth, growing as planned and healthily in a mother's womb, is acted against and eagerly sought to be destroyed by the left... because it doesn't fit their convenience or priorities...

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Banal Opinion With An Over Inflated Sense Of Validity "

* Ho Hum *

I think when there is a new unique being growing with its own DNA... it's up to the pro-abortionists to prove it's not "alive" or worthy of being protected.

None are contesting whether a sperm , an ova , a zygote , an embryo , or a fetus is alive or not , whereas us constitution determines whether equal protection is entitled with a us citizen whom must be born .

* All Alone Babbling Out Loud *

We talk about the possiblity of "Life on other planets!!!" and look for microbial evidence on Mars and other celestial bodies to declare "life".

Obviously searching for life elsewhere , because goad gave the hue mammon ape us all that it is entitled to and needs in the earth penitentiary , while other interests in survival and nature beyond earth is dumb .

* Stupid Science *

.. yet, a fetus (a word that means 'human' or 'being')

A fetus derives from a stage of development when a vestigial caudal tail and webbing between the toes disappears , the term fetus applies to all animals .

* Conceited Whining *

right here on planet earth, growing as planned and healthily in a mother's womb, is acted against and eagerly sought to be destroyed by the left... because it doesn't fit their convenience or priorities...

Yeah , you know everything .

 

[hadit]

What about victims who are children though and the life of the mother? I personally believe that any mother would be willing to die for their child but that doesn't mean that I believe that they should be forced to.

We need the honest conversation. First, all have to acknowledge that an unborn child is a living human being. That's biological fact, follow the science. Once that occurs and we acknowledge that abortion kills a living human life, we can then talk about the relative value of that life. We put relative value on human life all the time.

 

[hadit]

I think when there is a new unique being growing with its own DNA... it's up to the pro-abortionists to prove it's not "alive" or worthy of being protected.

We talk about the possiblity of "Life on other planets!!!" and look for microbial evidence on Mars and other celestial bodies to declare "life"... yet, a fetus (a word that means 'human' or 'being') right here on planet earth, growing as planned and healthily in a mother's womb, is acted against and eagerly sought to be destroyed by the left... because it doesn't fit their convenience or priorities...

Let's admit that the purpose of an abortion is to end a human life.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Complete Gestation In A Lab "

* A Literal Baby In A Test Tube *

Actually, the first test tube baby (which we now call in vitro fertilization) didn't happen until the late 1970s.

The following 1930s article indicates that tissue growth , insinuating science to grow a complete hue mammon being , from fertilization to delivery , does not exclusively refer to in vitro .

The Early History of Tissue Culture in Britain: The Interwar Years - PMC

The technique of tissue culture has, throughout the twentieth century, become a mainstay of biomedical research, and exists today as a celebrated scientific tool. However, an examination of its early history demonstrates that it was once contested, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Arrogance Of Damned Dirty Apes "

* Let Us Not *

Let's admit that the purpose of an abortion is to end a human life.

Perhaps your subjective perspective from anthropocentric psychosis believes the only purpose of abortion is to end the life of a hue mammon ape , however others have alternative purposes for abortion .

 

[hadit]

" Arrogance Of Damned Dirty Apes "

* Let Us Not *

Perhaps your subjective perspective from anthropocentric psychosis believes the only purpose of abortion is to end the life of a hue mammon ape , however others have alternative purposes for abortion .

There is no other purpose for an abortion. The only acceptable result is a dead human being. Literally, they call an abortion that leaves a live baby "botched".

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Purposes Are Justifications "

* Not Into Attempts To Manifest A Guilt Trip *

There is no other purpose for an abortion. The only acceptable result is a dead human being. Literally, they call an abortion that leaves a live baby "botched".

An abortion results in the death of a hue mammon ape , but the death does not encompass the purposes , as purposes would be the reasons to justify the abortion .

 

[Leo123]

I remember test tube babies back in the '60s. A zygote in a test tube would be a separate entity for sure!

Yes, just like in the womb. A separate entity.

 

[d0gbreath]

Yes, just like in the womb. A separate entity.

As a pair of cool dudes, we may, or may not, know the answer. We have a HC worker that tends to us M-F. She's 5 months pregnant with her sixth child. I shall ask her this 'separate entity' question on Monday and report back my findings.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" And They Called Him Loretta "

* You Gonna Keep It In A Box ? *

Yes, just like in the womb. A separate entity.

 

[JoeB131]

I think when there is a new unique being growing with its own DNA... it's up to the pro-abortionists to prove it's not "alive" or worthy of being protected.

We talk about the possiblity of "Life on other planets!!!" and look for microbial evidence on Mars and other celestial bodies to declare "life"... yet, a fetus (a word that means 'human' or 'being') right here on planet earth, growing as planned and healthily in a mother's womb, is acted against and eagerly sought to be destroyed by the left... because it doesn't fit their convenience or priorities...

Except 2/3rds of zygotes with unique DNA never attach to the Uterine wall and 1/3 of the ones that do end up as abortions or miscarriages.

No, it's up to the anti-abortionists to convince a woman that the parasite in her womb is worth keeping for 9 months and destroying potentially her reputation and livelihood.

you guys will never win that debate unless you support things like universal health care, paid family leave, etc.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Except 2/3rds of zygotes with unique DNA never attach to the Uterine wall and 1/3 of the ones that do end up as abortions or miscarriages.

Wherever you got those numbers, things that happen naturally will happen. It means nothing in this discussion.

convince a woman that the parasite in her womb

I’m happy to be on the opposite of a movement that views the miracle of life in this matter. Such dehumanization will bleed into other issues as we’ve seen from leftists throughout the decades.

It’s a sad outlook you have.

 

[JoeB131]

Wherever you got those numbers, things that happen naturally will happen. It means nothing in this discussion.

Naturally was a 50% infant mortality rate, which is what we had all the way up until the 1900s.

Abortion just makes up for the fact that kids don't die of treatable diseases today.

I’m happy to be on the opposite of a movement that views the miracle of life in this matter. Such dehumanization will bleed into other issues as we’ve seen from leftists throughout the decades.

It’s a sad outlook you have.

Actually, it's a pragmatic one.

Not pragmatic is two dudes discussing what a woman should do with her body.

 

[hadit]

Naturally was a 50% infant mortality rate, which is what we had all the way up until the 1900s.

Abortion just makes up for the fact that kids don't die of treatable diseases today.

Oh, so there's a moral imperative somewhere that 50% of children need to die?

Actually, it's a pragmatic one.

Not pragmatic is two dudes discussing what a woman should do with her body.

Yet she has control over the man's reproductive freedom the instant her egg is fertilized.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, so there's a moral imperative somewhere that 50% of children need to die?

Fetuses aren't children.
Family planning is the best anti-poverty program there is.

Yet she has control over the man's reproductive freedom the instant her egg is fertilized.

Yup, he relinquished all control when he shot his wad.