Zone1 Are the majority of Christian Pastors TERRIFIED of John and Carol Arnott?

Are Professional Christian Theologians TERRIFIED of John and Carol Arnott?

  • No, they are terrified of near death experience accounts in general.

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  • Yes, if they met John and Carol they might fall on the floor laughing!

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  • No, they are terrified that NDE accounts fit with 2 Corinthians 12: 1-4?!

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  • Yes, and they are terrified of Atheist NDE accounts making it know that they are INCOMPETENT!

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  • YES, Christian professionals are generally terrified of confusing TRUTH!

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  • Christian Theologians are scared of HUMILITY and meeting John and Carol is humbling!

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  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

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  • Near death experiencer Dr. Kenneth Hagin was correct about IF USA has problems Christian not praying

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Keep telling yourself you "evolved" and grew. You haven't

Your love for the pagan Eastern cults denies the Gospel and the need for Christ's Sacrifice.

You apparently believe in th immortal soul doctrine and reincarnation. You really don't understand how that denies Christ's Sacrifice?


I admit that you COULD PERHAPS be correct, but I would have to write off near death experiencer John J. Davis as either having misunderstood his own simple message from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, or he had misunderstood other parts of his brush with death?

My opinion on all of this at this moment is that near death expereincer testimonies all fit together "somehow?" I admit that many of them are "Theologically Troubling" though?


www.johnjdavisnde.com/

[John J. Davis] :

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”



For the record there is a somewhat negative aspect to this simple message from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to Mr. John J. Davis, about there being no more death? There does seem to be a terrifying afterlife environment where indeed the description by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would be correct.


[Matthew 5]

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29;And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


What Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reports here in Matthew chapter five sure does fit with the scary or even terrifying near death experience account of former ATheist Howard Storm?


[Howard Storm] :

2. An Invitation to​

Howard Storm


[Howard Storm was in intense agony and dying.]

Struggling to say goodbye to my wife, I wrestled with my emotions. Telling her that I loved her very much was as much of a goodbye as I could utter because of my emotional distress. Sort of relaxing and closing my eyes, I waited for the end. This was it, I felt. This was the big nothing, the big blackout, the one you never wake up from, the end of existence. I had absolute certainty that there was nothing beyond this life – because that was how really smart people understood it.

While I was undergoing this stress, prayer or anything like that never occurred to me. I never once thought about it. If I mentioned God’s name at all it was only as a profanity. For a time there was a sense of being unconscious or asleep. I’m not sure how long it lasted, but I felt really strange, and I opened my eyes. To my surprise I was standing up next to the bed, and I was looking at my body laying in the bed. My first reaction was, “This is crazy! I can’t be standing here looking down at myself. That’s not possible.”

This wasn’t what I expected, this wasn’t right. Why was I still alive? I wanted oblivion. Yet I was looking at a thing that was my body, and it just didn’t have that much meaning to me. Now knowing what was happening, I became upset. I started yelling and screaming at my wife, and she just sat there like a stone. She didn’t look at me, she didn’t move – and I kept screaming profanities to get her to pay attention. Being confused, upset, and angry, I tried to get the attention of my room-mate, with the same result. He didn’t react. I wanted this to be a dream, and I kept saying to myself, “This has got to be a dream.”

But I knew that it wasn’t a dream. I became aware that strangely I felt more alert, more aware, more alive than I had ever felt in my entire life. All my senses were extremely acute. Everything felt tingly and alive. The floor was cool and my bare feet felt moist and clammy. This had to be real. I squeezed my fists and was amazed at how much I was feeling in my hands just by making a fist. Then I heard my name. I heard, “Howard, Howard – come here.”

 
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Here is a summary of how The Toronto Blessing Revival movement that God and the Holy Spirit and Messiah Yeshua Jesus got going using Pastors John and Carol Arnott and Pastor Randy Clark.





John & Carol Arnott: Revival That Started In Toronto | legacy - GARDENS OF HOPE​



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«Legacy - Gardens of Hope» - the story continues...We want to find out, what Christian communities of the future look like. With our gaze pointed forward we include experiences from the past 40 years into these thoughts as a legacy. For that we have asked longstanding leaders to share their valuable experiences with us. You will find their video contributions released every two weeks in our series LEGACY."I got to know John and Carol Arnott in 1994. John Wimber and Lance Pittluck encouraged me to go to the Vineyard Toronto Airport Community and experience the spiritual revival there. We went to Toronto with about 16 people and were infected by the so called 'Toronto Blessing', which started in the French church in Bern on May 8, 1994 and spread from there to the whole of continental Europe.The main point of the 'Toronto Blessing' was the experience of the father love of God in practice and of the work of the Holy Spirit. The church in Toronto separated from the Vineyard movement but revival began to touch and renew the church worldwide. John and Carol Arnott are stewarding this revival to this day. They truly are parents that spread the understanding of the father love of God."
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I want to be able to find this video later on. This is a video from 1994 when The Toronto Blessing, The Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, Catch the Fire Toronto, was merely beginning.

After the ten minute mark in this service an astonishingly powerful prayer goes up for CHINA!



Toronto Revival 1994 Vineyard TACF Toronto Blessing​


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Toronto Revival 1994 tacf Toronto blessing with Pastor John Arnott, David Ruis, Randy Clark





Toronto Blessing Documentary with John Arnott​


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"Toronto Blessing" Documentary with John Arnott
 
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I admit that you COULD PERHAPS be correct, but I would have to write off near death experiencer John J. Davis as either having misunderstood his own simple message from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, or he had misunderstood other parts of his brush with death?

My opinion on all of this at this moment is that near death expereincer testimonies all fit together "somehow?" I admit that many of them are "Theologically Troubling" though?


www.johnjdavisnde.com/



For the record there is a somewhat negative aspect to this simple message from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to Mr. John J. Davis, about there being no more death? There does seem to be a terrifying afterlife environment where indeed the description by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would be correct.





What Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reports here in Matthew chapter five sure does fit with the scary or even terrifying near death experience account of former ATheist Howard Storm?
I really don't understand at all what you're trying to convey here.

You keep referring to some near death experience some person had. Do you view this one un-vetted example as something all of Catholicism needs to change its doctrine on?

You're all over the place. You need to make a short, deliberate list of your claims.
 
I really don't understand at all what you're trying to convey here.

You keep referring to some near death experience some person had. Do you view this one un-vetted example as something all of Catholicism needs to change its doctrine on?

You're all over the place. You need to make a short, deliberate list of your claims.
My personal suspicion is that religious people don't really have to change at all, but it is good if they are aware of the evidence that perhaps Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may have been a member of the first century Essene Community. Apparently from what was shown to some near death experiencers both he and his cousin John the Baptist were mentored and taught by the Essenes.

An awareness of this possibility could be useful to any Roman Catholic theologian who is called to a community with a high population of Jews.

Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald was shown Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching at least His inner core of disciples some very Essene Jewish ideas on the afterlife.

If ideas are true they are like a lion, once they are out of the cage they can defend themselves.

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.

"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
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My personal suspicion is that religious people don't really have to change at all, but it is good if they are aware of the evidence that perhaps Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may have been a member of the first century Essene Community. Apparently from what was shown to some near death experiencers both he and his cousin John the Baptist were mentored and taught by the Essenes.
1. Aware of what evidence exactly?
2. What does a few people's near death experiences have to do with this?
 
1. Aware of what evidence exactly?
2. What does a few people's near death experiences have to do with this?


In the eight century edition of the Roman Catholic Encyclopaedia is an article on "The Anti-Christ" that is of course in Latin.

This article states that Jesus will return first and things will be going great but then the anti-Christ person will come to the earth and and throw "Jesus" into hell. Soon the veneration of Mary will virtually cease and Roman Catholics will begin to observe the Jewish Sabbaths and Holy Days.

There are a number of possible ways of understanding that prediction but it would be good to fit a statement by Jesus into the forumua.

25 Then he said to them: O foolish, and slow of heart to believe in all things which the prophets have spoken."
[Luke 24:25]

If Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is planning on fulfilling every word in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, in the Minor prophets and in the Law of Moses, then it might be a good idea for Roman Catholics to take a look at how Christianity became more and more and more anti-Semitic.

After all......
Protestant Reformer Martin Luther got many of his ideas from his training in the Roman Catholic Church.





Anti-Semitism: Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies"

(1543)
 
Never heard of em...define what you by Christian


This is from the beginning of The Toronto Blessing back in 1994.




Session J (Catch the Fire 2004) Randy Clark​


Here is Dr. Heidi Baker speaking about what happened to her there.


Heidi Baker's Testimony​

 
I dare you to hold your right hand up in the air and begin to pray in line of Isaiah chapter forty five. I began to do this myself about thirty five or thirty six years ago and I got shockingly powerful answers.

I literally stuck my right hand up in the air and I begged Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to give me wisdom and understanding and guide me as He, [in His pre-existent form], had guided Gentile King Cyrus.

For the record, back in 1990, just after Yom Kippur I was thinking that all five billion people on earth at that time were in off the scale danger and that because I knew how to pray I had a special responsibility to at least pray with boldness and chutzpah.



I wonder if I could perhaps convince The Mitt Romney and his family to meet with The John and Carol Arnott and pray for a whole new level of HOLY SPIRIT FIRE in order for them to accomplish.......

What has that to do with their ano
What has that to do with their obscurity
 
What has that to do with their obscurity

John and Carol Arnott are not obscure here within church goers who attend church an hour or so from Toronto.

They are not obscure within the Pentecostal or Charismatic Movement all across Canada and the USA and the whole world.

The following video is one that I just heard today. The "prophetic" movement is well known among people who tend to regularly attend church. I personally would not be shocked if the "Ananias and Saphira precedent or curse" were to happen to Mr. Shawn Bolz, if the accusations against him by this guy are even twenty percent accurate?


The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak​


The primary point in Acts chapter five is not the amount of money but the fact that Ananias and his wife Saphira felt that they could lie in front of the Holy Spirit.

But a certain man named Ananias, with Saphira his wife, sold a piece of land, 2 And by fraud kept back part of the price of the land, his wife being privy thereunto: and bringing a certain part of it, laid it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said: Ananias, why hath Satan tempted thy heart, that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost, and by fraud keep part of the price of the land? 4 Whilst it remained, did it not remain to thee? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thy heart? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words, fell down, and gave up the ghost. And there came great fear upon all that heard it.

6 And the young men rising up, removed him, and carrying him out, buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what had happened, came in. 8 And Peter said to her: Tell me, woman, whether you sold the land for so much? And she said: Yea, for so much. 9 And Peter said unto her: Why have you agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? Behold the feet of them who have buried thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee out. 10 Immediately she fell down before his feet, and gave up the ghost. And the young men coming in, found her dead: and carried her out, and buried her by her husband.


 
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