Holy crap but Starfleet Acadamy bombed!

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Then it really makes me wonder why you'd question my comments on GR and Gene Coon.


I didn't like the IDIC, and those involved at the time thought it was a crass attempt by GR at commercial exploitation of Star Trek. Nimoy even fought including it in the episode. Who knows, maybe GR needed the money. Anyway, it was a complete bomb.

The very idea of the IDIC smacked of the same wokism and social equity that was supposedly part of the future world that resurfaced again in the 1st season of TNG that apparently caused a big rift between GR and DC Fontana when they brought back the new Star Trek. Many of the 1st season episodes of TNG got a little "preachy" between Picard and Beverly Crusher.

I always thought Dr. Polaski was a better character than Crusher anyway.

The only thing I really questioned about your comments about Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon was your assertion that Gene Roddenberry was anti-woke.

As you yourself indicate above, his creation and promotion of IDIC and even the first season of TNG seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[The Duke]

Spores? Omicron Ceti Three?

Sonnet from the Vulcan: Omicron Ceti Three
by Shirley Meech
Originally published in Star Trek: The New Voyages
Bantam Books 1976


I thought the memory of you was gone----
I thought it buried underneath the years.
But now, it rises, bright as Vulcan dawn,
And I remember you, and Earth, and tears.

Your tears were falling like the rains of Earth;
You were the storms and roses of Earth's spring.
You could not know that, almost from my birth
The rites of Vulcan bound me to T'Pring.

I could not break those ties; I had no choice---
Returned to space, left you and Earth behind.
But still I heard the echo of your voice,
Found the rain and wind and roses in my mind.

You told me that you loved me, and you cried.
I said I had no feelings. And I lied.

That is so Frost-ish, it's not even funny.

 

[toobfreak]

The only thing I really questioned about your comments about Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon was your assertion that Gene Roddenberry was anti-woke. As you yourself indicate above, his creation and promotion of IDIC and even the first season of TNG seem to suggest otherwise.

I get that. But back in 1968, there was no woke. From what I've read on the matter I think GR was just looking for a way to spin some cash out of Star Trek. Remember, at the time, Star Trek was considered a flop and no one thought it would ever amount to anything. And the whole IDIC idea was consistent with a multi-cultural/ multi-species federation and staffing of starships.

Actually, the IDIC carries a little merit: embracing life is embracing it in all of its infinite diversity, but seriously, the infinite combination part is where it hits rough water as, infinite combination suggests some combinations will be great, some OK and others terrible. And it ignores that not all diversity is good. For instance, Poison Oak is diverse from a petunia, but I still would not want a garden full of it or to stick a bunch of it in my face!

I prefer infinite diversity in /intelligent/ combinations. Put another way: give everything a fair chance and make the best of what you got.

 

[BlueGin]

I wish they had done more with Species 8462 (or whatever their name was).


They ruined the Borg. If you watch the original show, the Borg started out COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than how they morphed Borg into being. For instance, there was no Borg Queen. And a true Borg never would have been stopped by or harmed by any of the things the federation used to stop them. The Federation was utterly unprepared to deal with the Borg.

OTHER PROBLEM: The Borg were supposed to grow their own babies. Borg were Borg. Then they changed it to Borg being a collection of conquered species and races. Yet every Borg you ever saw, every one of them looked like a white caucasian human.


Enterprise was pretty weak, but keep checking it out (it is on TV 6 days a week OTA). They have a few really good killer episodes like a spin off of 'Mirror Mirror' with good and evil officers who capture a Constitution class starship and use it to attack the Federation.

They also have some great episodes where they fight this militant race of reptile soldiers covered in metal wire armor. They even redo the Andorians and make their green antennae come alive and really move around like bug feelers.

In the children’s Borg episode they had babies in some sort of incubator’s. Could be they grew them also?

As for Enterpise I may try to watch that again at some point. The only episode I remember seeing was one where Trip got pregnant.

 

[toobfreak]

In the children’s Borg episode they had babies in some sort of incubator’s. Could be they grew them also?

Good question. Sounds like it but I never saw it. Only time I ever saw Borg babies was in the first episode where the Enterprise-D ran into the Borg after Q forced them to run into them half way across the galaxy to show Picard what he was not prepared for.

I've always maintained that if the Borg were so easily susceptible to stuff like Nanites, slightly tweaked weapons, told to simply go to sleep, or some computer virus sent in on one of their captured soldiers, many other races would have figured that out too and the Borg never would have become the Borg having been fairly easily defeated.

As for Enterpise I may try to watch that again at some point. The only episode I remember seeing was one where Trip got pregnant.

It is on 6 nights a week here so I occasionally peak in if it is on while I'm watching TV. There are about a half dozen episodes I consider far above all the rest.

The original series was totally starved of money by NBC and had they had the budget they really deserved back in the 60s, it could have been an even better show.

 

[Failzero]

Lesbians in Space ( But no Jewish Characters )

 

[egp320i]

You know, I always wondered why I never caught him in anything else.

there is woke and woke on drugs......wow dumpster fire

Poor Gene must watching this disaster with a heavy heart

 

[LibertyWeeps]

 

[Sparker]

Many shows I liked as a kid and young adult now seem pathetically awful. Wow, watching that crap is how I spent too much of my time before internet. I liked the Voyager premise, but then they reached home, and the show kept going. Years later, I saw the first episode. It seemed poorly shot. I haven't watched any Trek since.

The Trek owners have done very well financially for a very long time, but now they may be looking at retiring this franchise.

 

[22lcidw]

There is nothing for men and teenage guys with Star Trek now. It's been that way for decades. Voyager and Deep Space Nine and TNG would never have made the early three network TV schedules that the original series did. They were woke to some degree. Discovery and after went lightyears woke and I will never watch those programs although I watched a season of Strange new Worlds, and they made the characters after Pike and Spock who were weakened as woke as you can get.