Zone1 Are the majority of Christian Pastors TERRIFIED of John and Carol Arnott?

[Manonthestreet]

Within certain circles they are not nobodies but if professional Christian Theologians would pray and ask to be given repentance for their FEAR of disrupting the revenue steam in order to OBEY the Holy Spirit then there could be a pretty serious shift in the spiritual atmosphere in the USA and Canada.

Why would the near death experiencer of Robert Marshall be virtually ignored by any big name Theologians?

The simple reason is that the people who pay tithes and offerings might prefer to get answers from near death experiencer Robert Marshall or from near death experiencer Kevin Zadai, than from them! They are scared to allegorically throw their "crowns" at the feet of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

The people who are into the New Age and have statues of Buddha, are NOT scared of near death experiencer Robert Marshall:

PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall​

Ever hear of Jack Hyles?

 

[DennisPTate]

Not watching your rando video without a summary.

From my twenty six years of looking into the "Toronto Blessing" as it manifested all over the world, [and specifically in Quito, Ecuador where I taught English as a Second language in 2001 and 2002], I personally believe that modern Christians are receiving miracles that are right up there with the miracles reported in the Four Gospels as well as in the Book of Acts.

The documentary series: "Transformation" goes into details on all of this. So does the documentary "Furious Love."




Transformations: Full Documentary. The Power of Prayer and Fasting

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[DennisPTate]

Ever hear of Jack Hyles?

Not until just this moment!

Jack Frasure Hyles (September 25, 1926 – February 6, 2001) was a leading figure in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, having pastored the First Baptist Church of Hammond in Hammond, Indiana, from August 1959 until his death. He was well known for being an innovator of the church bus ministry that brought thousands of people each week from surrounding towns to Hammond for services.<a href="Jack Hyles - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> Hyles built First Baptist up from fewer than a thousand members to a membership of 100,000. In 1993 and again in 1994, it was reported that 20,000 people attended First Baptist every Sunday, making it the most attended Baptist church in the United States.<a href="Jack Hyles - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="Jack Hyles - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a><a href="Jack Hyles - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> In 2001, at the time of Hyles's death, 20,000 people were attending church services and Sunday school each week.<a href="Jack Hyles - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

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n 1959, Hyles moved to the church-provided parsonage at 8232 Greenwood Avenue, Munster, Indiana, and became the pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond. When he arrived, the church had a membership of about seven hundred, many from affluent backgrounds. About a third of the members left the church after hearing Hyles' preaching style, which was very different from that to which they had been accustomed. Hyles then led the church to its status as an independent fundamental Baptist church—freeing it from its ties with the American Baptists. Hyles started his bus ministry and soon shepherded the church from a congregation of several hundred to more than 20,000. In the early 1990s a national survey ranked First Baptist as the largest church in the nation, by average weekly attendance figures

Jack Hyles - Wikipedia

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[Zincwarrior]

Not until just this moment!

I will wait with baited breath for the inevitable sex assault allegations.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Not until just this moment!



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n 1959, Hyles moved to the church-provided parsonage at 8232 Greenwood Avenue, Munster, Indiana, and became the pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond. When he arrived, the church had a membership of about seven hundred, many from affluent backgrounds. About a third of the members left the church after hearing Hyles' preaching style, which was very different from that to which they had been accustomed. Hyles then led the church to its status as an independent fundamental Baptist church—freeing it from its ties with the American Baptists. Hyles started his bus ministry and soon shepherded the church from a congregation of several hundred to more than 20,000. In the early 1990s a national survey ranked First Baptist as the largest church in the nation, by average weekly attendance figures

Was a total fraud.

 

[DennisPTate]

I will wait with baited breath for the inevitable sex assault allegations.

I have reason to believe that "Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan, [former Covering Cherub Helel]", sends some of his most skilled and gifted Witches and Warlocks into churches in order to deliberately mess them up!

The personal testimony of Evangelist John Ramirez is impressive "evidence" for this being done.

 

[DennisPTate]

Was a total fraud.

It takes a special level of skill to become a "total fraud." A partial fraud can be deceived by The Gold, The Glory and by The Girls, into looking like a total fraud by their final years, but they often, probably did not start out that way? [But I have to admit that there are some exceptionally intelligent and gifted speakers who specifically decide that theology is the Career Path that they should choose].

From my own research, for one example, Pastor Jim Bakker was a basically sincere guy but The Gold and The Girls were used to pull him well off from his original missions in life.

No matter what our religious or theological background is, all eight billion of us have been given at least one major "Mission in Life."

c. Mission Information Revealed by Jesus Christ​

Betty Eadie wanted to know the purpose of life so, Jesus Christ showed her that we took part in the creation of the Earth: “I wanted to learn the purpose of life on the Earth. Why are we here? As I basked in the love of Jesus Christ, I couldn’t imagine why any spirit would voluntarily leave this wonderful paradise and all it offered – worlds to explore and ideas to create and knowledge to gain. Why would anyone want to come here? In answer, I remembered the creation of the Earth. I actually experienced it as if it were being reenacted before my eyes. This was important. Jesus wanted me to internalize this knowledge. He wanted me to know how I felt when the creation occurred. And the only way to do that was for me to view it again and feel what I had felt before. All people as spirits in the pre-mortal world took part in the creation of the Earth.”

Rosa M. learned from Jesus her mission is to help people: “As for the mission Jesus told me about, over the years I realized that I do have the ability to help people.”

Tiffany Snow learned from Jesus her mission is to heal, teach, and help others manifest their God-given gifts with power and love: Tiffany Snow received the gifts of healing and psychic ability during his NDE. She discovered her mission in life is to heal, teach, and help others manifest their God-given gifts with power and love in their own lives.”

Life's Mission and the Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles Life's Mission and the Near-Death Experience . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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[DennisPTate]

I could be incorrect....
I often am... but I am of the belief that
Pastors John and Carol Arnott will pray for The David Menzies and for the Worship Pastor Sean Feucht... .and something astonishing will emerge out of the controversies that took place during the summer of 2025.



Zincwarrior said:
"The US dollar has been falling dramatically. " [Zinwarrior]
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"In my opinion The David Menzies has done an excellent job of covering controversies surrounding the "Sean Feucht Worship Tour." I believe that Pastor Sean Feucht should form something along the line of a partnership with The David Menzies and get him to play the role of a C. E. O. who represents Pastor Sean Feucht on the huge topics of "Human Life having Infinite Value" to The Being of Light of near death experience fame who has in a sense "Evolved" or "learned" over infinite Time in the past according to my understanding of 1. The Antrhopic Principle, 2. String Theory 3. the nature of Energy of Quantum Vacuum 4. Tehilliard's Law of Complexity Consciousness as it relates to at least one variation on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory?" "

Post in thread 'The Republic of Western Canada and moving the Canadian Dollar and USA Dollar to Par Value?'

Dec 31, 2025

The US dollar has been falling dramatically.

That fact sets up what I feel could be a brilliant response that could be done both in the USA as well as here in Canada, [especially near where The David Menzies prefers to live and work]?

In my opinion The David Menzies has done an excellent job of covering controversies surrounding the "Sean Feucht Worship Tour." I believe that Pastor Sean Feucht should form something along the line of a partnership with The David Menzies and get him to play the role of a C. E. O. who represents Pastor Sean Feucht on the huge topics of "Human...

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[Carl in Michigan]

IF Christian Theologians were NOT SCARED of John and Carol Arnott then everybody would have heard of them

Seriously??

 

[DennisPTate]

Seriously??

I dare you Carl to do some research in your area and go to meet a genuinely gifted Christian Theologian such as near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai Th. D?

I have taken more than two hundred of his online courses and listened to hundreds and hundreds of hours of his free of charge youtube lectures, and I have received what I perceive as the most powerful mental, emotional and spiritual cleansing since I began to pray in the mid nineteen seventies.

It is very difficult for me to see this mental cleansing that I experienced since 2019 as being anything less than The Holy Spirit the Ruach ha Kodesh at work?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I dare you Carl to do some research in your area and go to meet a genuinely gifted Christian Theologian such as near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai Th. D?

I have taken more than two hundred of his online courses and listened to hundreds and hundreds of hours of his free of charge youtube lectures, and I have received what I perceive as the most powerful mental, emotional and spiritual cleansing since I began to pray in the mid nineteen seventies.

It is very difficult for me to see this mental cleansing that I experienced since 2019 as being anything less than The Holy Spirit the Ruach ha Kodesh at work?

NDEs are NOT biblical. They're no more biblical than those who preach heaven I is the reward of the saved.

I've been gentle with you but you're promoting false doctrine. I have no idea why you're so enamored with this nonsense but you SHOULD know better.

The BIBLE is not your source of knowledge but the failed beliefs of humans who have experienced NEAR death (NOT actual death).

 

[DennisPTate]

NDEs are NOT biblical. They're no more biblical than those who preach heaven I is the reward of the saved.

I've been gentle with you but you're promoting false doctrine. I have no idea why you're so enamored with this nonsense but you SHOULD know better.

The BIBLE is not your source of knowledge but the failed beliefs of humans who have experienced NEAR death (NOT actual death).

It is my belief that IF Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had simply admitted that he had probably "Spoken with authority" but was WRONG, regarding the State of the Dead in such a way that created a Theological War between all Worldwide Church of God theologians vs all Christian theologians who believe that the Thief on the Cross would actually be conscious during that tour of "Paradise" that Jesus gave to the Thief on the Cross in the moments and perhaps hour or so after they both died?

Since the fall of the WWCG in 1991 WWCG "Soul Sleep Theologians" have gone on to infect the Seventh Day Adventist movement with a false doctrine that I believe is based on a terribly misguided Sola Scritura understanding of the scriptures related to the state of the dead.

This particular Soul Sleep doctrine depends on a simplistic understanding of statements made by King Solomon, that could have had a very different intention than belief in "Soul Sleep" because even King Solomon knew about the "Silver Cord" that many near death experiencers report connects their spirit or soul to their human body that has no life in it once the human spirit leaves the body.

 

[DennisPTate]

I will wait with baited breath for the inevitable sex assault allegations.

Actually I saw a documentary yesterday about Mr. Lonnie Frisbee that filled in gaps in my understanding as to why Pastors John and Carol Arnott are feared.

Mr. Lonnie Frisbee had a massive calling on his life and if I remember correctly "Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship" may have been termed "The Vignyard" when John and Carol Arnott first began to work with them?

In the case of why Lonnie Frisbee was used for a time to begin a massive movement, and then tossed does indeed have a connection with "sex." Your prediction seems to have a level of accuracy.

Zone1 Thread 'Did Lonnie Frisbee have a "John the Baptist, Samson, Elijah" calling?'

Jan 2, 2026

I am beginning this discussion partly because I feel that Pope Leo has a "John the Baptist, Samson and Elijah" type of calling on his life and on his Papacy.


I feel that I need to make more people aware of this possibility because just yesterday evening I saw a documentary about a man who also had a "John the Baptist, Samson and Elijah" calling on his life and ministry.

Another person who I feel has a massive "John the Baptist, Samson and Elijah" calling is Christian author and visionary Rick Joyner who I believe can be compared with C. S. Lewis. Rick Joyner's three books, "The Final...

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[DennisPTate]

Never heard of em...define what you by Christian

I just happened to find this sermon by Carol Arnott and this may help to explain why some Theologians are scared of her and her husband.

The Bride of Jesus | Carol Arnott​

 

[DennisPTate]

NDEs are NOT biblical. They're no more biblical than those who preach heaven I is the reward of the saved.

I've been gentle with you but you're promoting false doctrine. I have no idea why you're so enamored with this nonsense but you SHOULD know better.

The BIBLE is not your source of knowledge but the failed beliefs of humans who have experienced NEAR death (NOT actual death).

Actually I believe that YOU are the one who is rejecting the words of Jesus! I believe that it is YOU who does not even take the Red Letter words of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus seriously!

If you will pray about this....
and if YOU will raise your right hand in the air and quote the first five verses of Isaiah chapter forty five, and ask for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take YOU by the right hand and guide you, so that you do not lead people astray, then Jesus will begin to show you error after error after error in YOUR way of thinking, [and both you and I are still full of error in our thinking that may be as small as "gnats" in the wine but we need the help of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to repent and learn.

YOU do not believe that the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man fits perfectly with the near death experience account of former Atheist Howard Storm, and / or former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE THE TEACHINGS OF PASTOR GENERAL HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG INTO AN IDOL!!!!! In a way the near death experiencer of nominal Christian Robert Marshall also fits with the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man because Robert Marshall has been sent back to warn ALL EIGHT BILLION OF US!

In a way your situation sets you up to write a book that could easily become a best seller if you will honestly ask Jesus for wisdom and understanding and correction of your errors. ALL OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED, STILL HAVE LOTS OF ERRORS, LOTS OF "FLIES IN THE OINTMENT" or wine that we are teaching even here on United States Message Board!?

In 1990, just after Yom Kippur, I personally literally stuck my right hand up in the air and I quoted Isaiah chapter forty five in a paraphrase and I begged for Jesus to take me by the right hand and show me where I was wrong, and for the next ten years I was shown error after error after error after error after error in all my ideas and beliefs on how to understand the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

Yes, Jesus mostly used near death experience accounts to teach me what I had wrong!

You seem to be ignoring the obvious critical truths in 2 Corinthians 12 verses one to five? I have also been there, done that, and I also have that T-shirt!

12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2;I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3;And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4;How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

5;Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 12 - King James Version

It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Actually I believe that YOU are the one who is rejecting the words of Jesus! I believe that it is YOU who does not even take the Red Letter words of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus seriously!

If you will pray about this....
and if YOU will raise your right hand in the air and quote the first five verses of Isaiah chapter forty five, and ask for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take YOU by the right hand and guide you, so that you do not lead people astray, then Jesus will begin to show you error after error after error in YOUR way of thinking, [and both you and I are still full of error in our thinking that may be as small as "gnats" in the wine but we need the help of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to repent and learn.

YOU do not believe that the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man fits perfectly with the near death experience account of former Atheist Howard Storm, and / or former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE THE TEACHINGS OF PASTOR GENERAL HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG INTO AN IDOL!!!!! In a way the near death experiencer of nominal Christian Robert Marshall also fits with the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man because Robert Marshall has been sent back to warn ALL EIGHT BILLION OF US!

In a way your situation sets you up to write a book that could easily become a best seller if you will honestly ask Jesus for wisdom and understanding and correction of your errors. ALL OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED, STILL HAVE LOTS OF ERRORS, LOTS OF "FLIES IN THE OINTMENT" or wine that we are teaching even here on United States Message Board!?

In 1990, just after Yom Kippur, I personally literally stuck my right hand up in the air and I quoted Isaiah chapter forty five in a paraphrase and I begged for Jesus to take me by the right hand and show me where I was wrong, and for the next ten years I was shown error after error after error after error after error in all my ideas and beliefs on how to understand the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

Yes, Jesus mostly used near death experience accounts to teach me what I had wrong!

You seem to be ignoring the obvious critical truths in 2 Corinthians 12 verses one to five? I have also been there, done that, and I also have that T-shirt!

The Scriptures aren't enough for you. You are willingly deceived.

Jesus DIDN'T teach you the lies you've bought into

 

[DennisPTate]

The Scriptures aren't enough for you. You are willingly deceived.

Jesus DIDN'T teach you the lies you've bought into

The English language translations of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures as done by the translators at the time of King James of England were human and flawed and scared to offend King James himself because he was no angel.

We now have access to better translations of the original Hebrew and Greek.

I also admit that modern near death experience accounts are difficult to explain away as being anything less than fulfillments of several promises in the Bible itself.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2;And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3;And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4;But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

[Daniel 12]

I suspect that IF Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had had such a wealth of information available to him as the NDE accounts of former Atheist Howard Storm, or Rabbi Alon Anava, or Robert Marshall or Kevin L. Zadai Th. D. then he might perhaps have been able to admit that he was in error on the way that he understood the scriptures related to the topic of the State of the Dead.

In a way, the Bible was still shut up and sealed until after the death of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong, at least on the topic of the State of the Dead.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The English language translations of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures as done by the translators at the time of King James of England were human and flawed and scared to offend King James himself because he was no angel.

We now have access to better translations of the original Hebrew and Greek.

I also admit that modern near death experience accounts are difficult to explain away as being anything less than fulfillments of several promises in the Bible itself.



I suspect that IF Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had had such a wealth of information available to him as the NDE accounts of former Atheist Howard Storm, or Rabbi Alon Anava, or Robert Marshall or Kevin L. Zadai Th. D. then he might perhaps have been able to admit that he was in error on the way that he understood the scriptures related to the topic of the State of the Dead.

In a way, the Bible was still shut up and sealed until after the death of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong, at least on the topic of the State of the Dead.

You insist on fitting a square peg into a round hole. The SCRIPTURES are not difficult until you insist on forcing your wants into it. Calling on HWA to give credence to your doctrine, especially when he taught NOTHING like this is a waste of your energy.

NONE of your theories are Biblical. You should stop trying to use the Bible to give them authority. You make yourself out to be a false prophet. Sadly, many nut jobs came out of that Church

 

[DennisPTate]

You insist on fitting a square peg into a round hole. The SCRIPTURES are not difficult until you insist on forcing your wants into it. Calling on HWA to give credence to your doctrine, especially when he taught NOTHING like this is a waste of your energy.

NONE of your theories are Biblical. You should stop trying to use the Bible to give them authority. You make yourself out to be a false prophet. Sadly, many nut jobs came out of that Church

Back in 1988 or '89 I would have viewed my own ideas now exactly as you are seeing them. I do deeply appreciate your arguing with me on all of this because frankly I believe that I can set YOU up so that you can write a book, [but you may be shocked at how your book changes and evolves over weeks and months as Jesus shows you more and more and more about all of this]!

I believe that YOU and I both have a responsibility to go through the open doors that are in front of us, [and we were both led to United States Message Board]!

As you well know I am referring to Revelation chapter three.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Back in 1988 or '89 I would have viewed my own ideas now exactly as you are seeing them. I do deeply appreciate your arguing with me on all of this because frankly I believe that I can set YOU up so that you can write a book, [but you may be shocked at how your book changes and evolves over weeks and months as Jesus shows you more and more and more about all of this]!

I believe that YOU and I both have a responsibility to go through the open doors that are in front of us, [and we were both led to United States Message Board]!

As you well know I am referring to Revelation chapter three.

Keep telling yourself you "evolved" and grew. You haven't

Your love for the pagan Eastern cults denies the Gospel and the need for Christ's Sacrifice.

You apparently believe in th immortal soul doctrine and reincarnation. You really don't understand how that denies Christ's Sacrifice?