When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[dblack]

There's no individual liberty without community or a means to govern it effectively and fairly. Being a lone ranger equates to isolation and death. Try it with your finger. Cutt of circulation for a few hours, you'll get the point. Life survives and thrives in a community, not in a vacuum.

Whatever. "Minority rule" is a bullshit propaganda term. Carry on.

 

[dblack]

The opposite of majority rule is individual liberty for the rich. Liberty for them is power over the rest of us.

No. It's not. Bill Gates can't arrest you and send you to prison. The government can. Socialists try to equate political power with economic power. But they are radically different.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Whatever. "Minority rule" is a bullshit propaganda term. Carry on.

Minority rule is what you want and that's just plain stupid.

 

[struth]

Minority rule is what you want and that's just plain stupid.

I like to protect the minority from the tyranny of the masses.

Mob rule is scary stuff.

 

[dblack]

Minority rule is what you want and that's just plain stupid.

Minority rule isn't even a coherent concept. You idiot socialists are forever trying to equate economic power with state power. But they're not even close to the same thing. Your employer can't force you to do anything. They can't arrest you. They can't beat you. The worst they can do is stop paying you.

At least that's how it works in a free market. Under socialism, your employer is the government and they can have you arrested, or killed, if you defy them.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I agree, it can’t compete against capitalism

It can't compete against capitalism when it's 90 miles away from the world's capitalist bully empire that imposes an embargo upon it and doesn't allow it to function. If I barricade you in your home and you become dysfunctional, is it your fault? No. The US controls the world's reserve currency and the international banking system. Thanks to coming out of WW2 unscathed, it became the world's manufacturing hub and primary, most prosperous economy, hence the world wants to trade with the US, not Cuba. If a country trades with Cuba, every cargo ship in its merchant fleet that anchors in a Cuban port will be barred from anchoring in American ports for six months. Who the hell is going to go near Cuba? No one, they've turned it into the economic leper of the Western hemisphere.,

You also conveniently ignored everything else I said in that post about National Socialist Germany which became the most prosperous economy in the world, in the 1930s, along with Soviet Russia. When the US and most of Western Europe were going through a horrible economic depression, Germany and the Soviets were doing well economically. It took world war, to change that. Even then, the Soviets got back on their feet and became a nuclear superpower despite the devastation of WW2 and not having access to America's "Marshal Plan" which helped Western Europe and Japan rebuild and get on their feet financially.

It wasn't until the Soviets, to stop the Cold War, tried to placate the US by becoming more capitalist-friendly, and due to an engineered Saudi Arabian oil price hike, that the Soviet Union experienced the worst economic recession in its history. The Soviets screwed up, by becoming weary of always being in a state of war, whether a hot-shooting war or cold war with the United States, they were exhausted and made some really bad decisions in the 1980s that led to the Soviet Union's dissolution. It wasn't a collapse but rather a betrayal and abandonment. Neglect led to the end of the USSR. They were tired of war. It was socialist principles in Putin's Russia after 2000 that saved Russia from being further raped by capitalists.

 

[struth]

It can't compete against capitalism when it's 90 miles away from the world's capitalist bully empire that imposes an embargo upon it and doesn't allow it to function. If I barricade you in your home and you become dysfunctional, is it your fault? No. The US controls the world's reserve currency and the international banking system. Thanks to coming out of WW2 unscathed, it became the world's manufacturing hub and primary, most prosperous economy, hence the world wants to trade with the US, not Cuba. If a country trades with Cuba, every cargo ship in its merchant fleet that anchors in a Cuban port will be barred from anchoring in American ports for six months. Who the hell is going to go near Cuba? No one, they've turned it into the economic leper of the Western hemisphere.,

You also conveniently ignored everything else I said in that post about National Socialist Germany which became the most prosperous economy in the world, in the 1930s, along with Soviet Russia. When the US and most of Western Europe were going through a horrible economic depression, Germany and the Soviets were doing well economically. It took world war, to change that. Even then, the Soviets got back on their feet and became a nuclear superpower despite the devastation of WW2 and not having access to America's "Marshal Plan" which helped Western Europe and Japan rebuild and get on their feet financially.

It wasn't until the Soviets, to stop the Cold War, tried to placate the US by becoming more capitalist-friendly, and due to an engineered Saudi Arabian oil price hike, that the Soviet Union experienced the worst economic recession in its history. The Soviets screwed up, by becoming weary of always being in a state of war, whether a hot-shooting war or cold war with the United States, they were exhausted and made some really bad decisions in the 1980s that led to the Soviet Union's dissolution. It wasn't a collapse but rather a betrayal and abandonment. Neglect led to the end of the USSR. They were tired of war.

Correct it can’t compete. That’s why every lefist regime is either destroyed like the USSR or living in poverty like cuba and venezuela

 

[TruthNotBS]

Correct it can’t compete. That’s why every lefist regime is either destroyed like the USSR or living in poverty like cuba and venezuela

Incorrect, as I explained. Economic terrorism or warmongering isn't economic competition. When countries don't outwardly identify themselves as socialist and implement socialist principles in their economies, they prosper, improving the standard of living of their citizens. Most of the modern, industrialized world has a mixed economy, considered COMMIE by American Republican conservatives. You right-wing MAGA-hats consider the policies of most of the industrialized world, SOCIALIST, when Democrats try to implement them here. So socialism is doing well in most of the world, it just doesn't when you're a small country like Cuba, in the shadow of the American capitalist bully-empire.

 

[struth]

Incorrect, as I explained. Economic terrorism or warmongering isn't economic competition. When countries don't outwardly identify themselves as socialist and implement socialist principles in their economies, they prosper, improving the standard of living of their citizens. Most of the modern, industrialized world has a mixed economy, considered COMMIE by American Republican conservatives. You right-wing MAGA-hats consider the policies of most of the industrialized world, SOCIALIST, when Democrats try to implement them here. So socialism is doing well in most of the world, it just doesn't when you're a small country like Cuba, in the shadow of the American capitalist bully-empire.

Haha economic terrorism isn’t why people aren’t willing to work in the Soviet Union. It’s not why people run out of food in venezuela

 

[Hector12]

No. It's not. Bill Gates can't arrest you and send you to prison. The government can. Socialists try to equate political power with economic power. But they are radically different.

A boss can fire me arbitrarily and ruin my livelihood. The government will not arrest me and put me in prison unless I break the law.

 

[struth]

A boss can fire me arbitrarily and ruin my livelihood. The government will not arrest me and put me in prison unless I break the law.

Hahah there a thousands of innocent people around the world that have been imprisoned, millions really

How naive of you

A boss can fire you, but only you can find more work when you are free.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Minority rule isn't even a coherent concept. You idiot socialists are forever trying to equate economic power with state power. But they're not even close to the same thing. Your employer can't force you to do anything. They can't arrest you. They can't beat you. The worst they can do is stop paying you.

At least that's how it works in a free market. Under socialism, your employer is the government and they can have you arrested, or killed, if you defy them.

Your "free market" unicorn only exists in your fantasy world. All markets have to be regulated by a government authority and provided with public resources and services, including a means of exchange (legal tender). Moreover, under capitalism, human labor is reduced to a mere commodity and exploited, in a totalitarian-run workplace. Adam Smith the father of capitalism, identified capitalist employers as "masters" in his book The Wealth Of Nations, and recognized the unfair power imbalance in the employer-employee relationship (i.e. exploiter-exploitee relationship). The class structure of capitalism always leads to tyranny and oppression.

Your assertion that capitalist employers don't have much control over one's life because they can't incarcerate you is ridiculous. The capitalist masters determine whether you eat or starve or have a roof over your head. They also, through lobbying the government with their wealth, determine the laws that can indeed easily result in your incarceration. They can criminalize anything they want, through their cronies in the legislative bodies of government, whether local, state, or federal.

They can have your city, county, state, and federal government, implement ordinances, policies, programs, and projects that undermine your freedom and power, and indeed that's exactly what the capitalist ruling class does. They control the government, the media, education, real estate, energy/utilities, healthcare, the military-industrial complex, foreign and domestic government policy, essentially everything. Not to speak of all of the public funds they expropriate from the government:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

It's only socialism when the working class gets money from the government or any services, not when the rich get it.

There's no free market, especially on a national scale. You're living in Lalaland.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How does that answer my question? What a weird post

Can’t answer without knowing who you believe is a communist. Seems they are everywhere these days.

 

[struth]

Can’t answer without knowing who you believe is a communist. Seems they are everywhere these days.

Who did I say was a communist ? I don’t believe there are any commies in our govt today.

There are a lot of demafasict

 

[dblack]

Your assertion that capitalist employers don't have much control over one's life because they can't incarcerate you is ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your bs that employees are slaves. The notion is a joke, a sick joke that any real slave would laugh at, if they didn't punch you first.

But it's vital to the Marxist sales pitch that people think of it that way, that they view themselves as hapless victims who can only be saved by state intervention.

They can have your city, county, state, and federal government, implement ordinances, policies, programs, and projects that undermine your freedom and power, and indeed that's exactly what the capitalist ruling class does. They control the government, the media, education, real estate, energy/utilities, healthcare, the military-industrial complex, foreign and domestic government policy, essentially everything. Not to speak of all of the public funds they expropriate from the government:

Government corruption is a problem to be sure. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The more we give the state power over labor and resources, the worse the problem will get.

The Marxist agenda is a class struggle, but not like they pretend. It's an attempt by the political class to transfer economic power from private wealth holders to the state, to themselves.

The socialist unicorn is the delusion that once they get their way, once the state controls labor and resources, wealth, greed and the lust for power will magically go away. That ambitious capitalists will reluctantly become subsistence farmers instead. But of course the lust for power won't go away. The people who are now chasing wealth via the free market will seek it via government "service" instead. And, when the economic power of wealth and the coercive power of the state are combined, they'll have much more power at their disposal.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So what socialist state or commie state made advances in tech?

you can’t be serious.

 

[struth]

you can’t be serious.

I am.....any answers? One guy already tried to claim the failed USSR....hahaha

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I am.....any answers? One guy already tried to claim the failed USSR....hahaha

More like your failed knowledge of history.

 

[struth]

More like your failed knowledge of history.

I’m still waiting then. Show us

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I’m still waiting then. Show us

You were given great examples. Examples you should already know about.
You chose to balk at them instead of engaging.