When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[IM2]

Wrong.

Corporations are government creations stupid, and are currently more woke than Kamala.

And how many people is socialism helping in countries like North Korea and Venezuela?

Hmm?

Try again.

I know you can't do it, but I like being proven wrong every 10 years or so if possible.

Talk to the people in Greece and Portugal.

North Korea is not socialist. It is totalitarian. Same with Venezuela.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Talk to the people in Greece and Portugal.

North Korea is not socialist. It is totalitarian. Same with Venezuela.

It is totalitarian, and I'm not in agreement with that, but much of what we hear about it in the Western, capitalist-controlled media is exaggerated and just plain BS. The defenders of capitalism, have no moral high ground.

 

[GLASNOST]

Sure genius, the American working class was the world's aristocracy of labor, after WW2. If you know your history, the US came out of the war unscathed, unlike the Soviets who lost 28 million people and much of the infrastructure that they had built in the previous twenty years. During the great depression in the US and Western Europe, the Soviets were actually doing quite well, to the point that thousands of American and Western European engineers and scientists migrated to Stalin's Soviet Russia, to contribute to the new nation's development.

After WW2, the Soviets had to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and rebuild their new country. Unlike Western Europe and Japan, the Soviets didn't have the "Marshal Plan", funded by the US, to help them redevelop their countries. The Soviets had to do it on their own, and in less than 15 years, it was a nuclear power, launching the first satellites and even people into space.

The Soviets despite all of the challenges built their economy to the point that it was the second largest economy in the world by 1970, only second to the USA. Not bad for a new country, constantly being economically sanctioned and attacked militarily by powerful, well established, older, much more entrenched, and developed enemies, like the USA, huh? The US had over 100 years of industrialization ahead of the USSR.

If you notice, Berlin was in Eastern Germany, a part of Germany that was communist, and for security reasons primarily the wall was built. They had American, British, and French forces in the heart of their country, so they built a wall around Berlin. Now if you claim that it was also built to keep people from East Germany defecting into Western-controlled Berlin, you are partly correct. I'm not going to deny it and lie to you.

So let me get this straight, you invest your resources in training scientists, engineers, and doctors, to serve your country, when it is trying to get back on its feet after a devastating world war, that killed 14% of your population (28 million people), and the enemy across your border is constantly tempting those highly educated and trained citizens of your country, to defect and drain your nation of its intelligentsia and academics. It's called "brain drain", and yes East Germany and the USSR did restrict travel outside of its borders for its citizens., as a matter of survival.

The USSR was essentially always at war, in an existential battle against extremely powerful enemies. If it wasn't a hot war, it was a cold war, draining resources that could've been used to improve the lives of Soviet citizens.

What your capitalist propaganda does not tell you is that despite those restrictions, Soviet citizens still did travel outside of the USSR, and also extensively within the USSR, which was an enormous country, with many different interesting places to visit.

Very well written.

The average Soviet citizen went on vacation just as much as their American counterparts, if not more.

More, actually.

The Soviet Union developed an extensive system of programs and institutions to provide recreational activities and vacation opportunities for its working-class citizens. These programs were part of the state's commitment to ensuring that all citizens had access to leisure and rest, which were considered essential for maintaining a healthy and productive society.

All true.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

January 21, 2009.

 

[IM2]

It is totalitarian, and I'm not in agreement with that, but much of what we hear about it in the Western, capitalist-controlled media is exaggerated and just plain BS. The defenders of capitalism, have no moral high ground.

True. You won't see me defending U.S. greedalism. As fas as N Korea goes, I just don't like these stooges trying to use it as an example of socialism when it isn't. And for some of us this country has not been the paragon of freedom that these right wingers declare it to be.

 

[Flopper]

Very well written.

More, actually.

All true.

Very well written.

More, actually.

All true.

The USSR no longer exist. In Russia, there are only 50,000 members of the communist party

 

[TruthNotBS]

The USSR no longer exist. In Russia, there are only 50,000 members of the communist party

Yes, and what's your point? Let's see if you're able to reason.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The USSR no longer exist. In Russia, there are only 50,000 members of the communist party

For the sake of others, not the dead-brained flopper, I'm going to respond to his disingenuous, stupid remarks.

He reminds us that "the USSR no longer exists" and my response is, so what? You're not in any way debunking socialism or communism by pointing out that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War and dissolved itself. Many capitalist nations have also failed, does that automatically by default imply that capitalism is inferior to socialism? I've already on several occasions shown how socialism bails out capitalism every few years and provides capitalists with plenty of public funds to stay afloat:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

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Socialism for the richest people in our society.​

Socialism is still alive and kicking regardless of whether the USSR is still in existence or not. We constantly hear these Republican conservatives calling everything that the government does to serve the American public, like healthcare, education, housing and feeding the poor, protecting labor rights..etc, as "COMMIE", COMMUNIST, socialist..etc. OK right-wing MAGA hats, if the Democrats are all a bunch of "coimmies" for being for the aforementioned government policies, then practically all of Western Europe is "COMMIE". What a mess you've created for yourselves.

Another thing worth considering is the fact that, just because the USSR made mistakes and eventually lost its struggle with the Western capitalist elites, that doesn't imply that socialism won't eventually replace capitalism in the future when conditions permit. Did capitalism replace chattel slavery and feudalism overnight? Did republicanism, replace monarchism, the Western notion of the "divine right of kings" in one definable event in history or with one single swoop of the sword? Did the European merchant capitalist class replace the royal aristocracy of Europe, with all of the feudal lords, in only one revolution or war?

Modern republicanism in many ways is a baby of capitalism, supported by the merchant classes.
Modern, Western, industrial-age socialism, was born from capitalism. How long did it take for republics to replace monarchies in the Western world? It didn't happen in one century or even two or three, it took hundreds of years. So why demand that if modern socialism or communism is an effective, valid economic and sociopolitical system it must defeat and replace capitalism quickly, in a matter of decades or in one or two centuries?

Capitalism didn't replace feudalism overnight, nor did the republicans replace the monarchists, in one single victory or swoop of their swords, so why demand that socialists or communists, replace capitalists in the blink of an eye, in one single try? Why, isn't that hypocritical?

The merchants became the powerful capitalist industrialists of the 19th century, the so-called guilded age, replacing the European royal aristocracy and "old money", becoming the new ruling class. The industrialists, the merchants of the industrial age, became the new elites, employing droves of laborers to work their factories and many other businesses. That didn't happen overnight, yet according to the defenders of capitalism, socialism must defeat and replace capitalism, with a snap of their fingers and never suffer a defeat or set back. I believe Rocky from the movie, lost against Apollo Creed, in his first attempt to take the heavyweight title. Then he came back and won.

The USSR accomplished so much that we are now still talking about it and debating over it. It has left its dent in the universe, it has left us its legacy to inspire socialists to do it right the next time. The next time, we will have much more advanced technology, pretty much ensuring our success. We have technology today that the Soviets could only dream of.

Now I hear the stupid response with respect to technology, by the defenders of capitalism, claiming that all the modern technology that we have today is thanks to capitalism. Only ignorant capitalist apologists resort to such silly, moronic
arguments.

​

The government is heavily involved in the funding, research, and development of advanced technology. If not for the government, we wouldn't be communicating here on the internet. Both the US and the Soviets, have made important contributions to science and technology. Moreover, do these capitalist polemicists realize that capitalism relied on technology that was previously funded and developed by kings and feudal lords..etc? If not for all of the science and technology developed before capitalism, there would have been no industrial age, nor would've republics replaced monarchies in the Western world. Capitalist arguments and objections against socialism are practically always superficial, if not dishonest. Just plain ignorant.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

For the sake of others, not the dead-brained flopper, I'm going to respond to his disingenuous, stupid remarks.

He reminds us that "the USSR no longer exists" and my response is, so what? You're not in any way debunking socialism or communism by pointing out that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War and dissolved itself. Many capitalist nations have also failed, does that automatically by default imply that capitalism is inferior to socialism? I've already on several occasions shown how socialism bails out capitalism every few years and provides capitalists with plenty of public funds to stay afloat:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

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Socialism for the richest people in our society.​

Socialism is still alive and kicking regardless of whether the USSR is still in existence or not. We constantly hear these Republican conservatives calling everything that the government does to serve the American public, like healthcare, education, housing and feeding the poor, protecting labor rights..etc, as "COMMIE", COMMUNIST, socialist..etc. OK right-wing MAGA hats, if the Democrats are all a bunch of "coimmies" for being for the aforementioned government policies, then practically all of Western Europe is "COMMIE". What a mess you've created for yourselves.

Another thing worth considering is the fact that, just because the USSR made mistakes and eventually lost its struggle with the Western capitalist elites, that doesn't imply that socialism won't eventually replace capitalism in the future when conditions permit. Did capitalism replace chattel slavery and feudalism overnight? Did republicanism, replace monarchism, the Western notion of the "divine right of kings" in one definable event in history or with one single swoop of the sword? Did the European merchant capitalist class replace the royal aristocracy of Europe, with all of the feudal lords, in only one revolution or war?

Modern republicanism in many ways is a baby of capitalism, supported by the merchant classes.
Modern, Western, industrial-age socialism, was born from capitalism. How long did it take for republics to replace monarchies in the Western world? It didn't happen in one century or even two or three, it took hundreds of years. So why demand that if modern socialism or communism is an effective, valid economic and sociopolitical system it must defeat and replace capitalism quickly, in a matter of decades or in one or two centuries?

Capitalism didn't replace feudalism overnight, nor did the republicans replace the monarchists, in one single victory or swoop of their swords, so why demand that socialists or communists, replace capitalists in the blink of an eye, in one single try? Why, isn't that hypocritical?

The merchants became the powerful capitalist industrialists of the 19th century, the so-called guilded age, replacing the European royal aristocracy and "old money", becoming the new ruling class. The industrialists, the merchants of the industrial age, became the new elites, employing droves of laborers to work their factories and many other businesses. That didn't happen overnight, yet according to the defenders of capitalism, socialism must defeat and replace capitalism, with a snap of their fingers and never suffer a defeat or set back. I believe Rocky from the movie, lost against Apollo Creed, in his first attempt to take the heavyweight title. Then he came back and won.

The USSR accomplished so much that we are now still talking about it and debating over it. It has left its dent in the universe, it has left us its legacy to inspire socialists to do it right the next time. The next time, we will have much more advanced technology, pretty much ensuring our success. We have technology today that the Soviets could only dream of.

Now I hear the stupid response with respect to technology, by the defenders of capitalism, claiming that all the modern technology that we have today is thanks to capitalism. Only ignorant capitalist apologists resort to such silly, moronic
arguments.

​

The government is heavily involved in the funding, research, and development of advanced technology. If not for the government, we wouldn't be communicating here on the internet. Both the US and the Soviets, have made important contributions to science and technology. Moreover, do these capitalist polemicists realize that capitalism relied on technology that was previously funded and developed by kings and feudal lords..etc? If not for all of the science and technology developed before capitalism, there would have been no industrial age, nor would've republics replaced monarchies in the Western world. Capitalist arguments and objections against socialism are practically always superficial, if not dishonest. Just plain ignorant.

Eventually your socialist purists will run out of other people’s money.
Or, without successful capitalism, your socialism light couldn’t function.

 

[GLASNOST]

The USSR no longer exist.

Obviously.

In Russia, there are only 50,000 members of the communist party

Only 50,000 Communist members? Well, Communism was (is?) a good idea but men (like Stalin in particular) corrupted Communism to a point that partially reflected the Western World's nightmarish propaganda against it. Stalin passed but Stalinism lingered on. Men like Dubček were willing and able to reform his own country's form of Soviet Stalinism but he was crushed by well-entrenched Soviet corruption. When Gorbatjov came along and offered his own plan for reform it was too late and the American CIA had him ousted in order to put the inebriated rag-doll puppet Jeltsin in the seat of power. Anyway you look at it, no one can blame the Soviets for wanting out of the whole Communist model, imagining another Stalin to stroll in at the drop of a hat. It is a miracle that Putin has come to the fore and possibly the only chance Russia has to save itself from American-style Fascism. The Russians have run the gauntlet for sure between Stalinism and the present corruption of the CIA. It is going to require a whole lot of work plus a leader who can follow Putin's footsteps once he's gone. More power to them. I hope them well.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Eventually your socialist purists will run out of other people’s money.
Or, without successful capitalism, your socialism light couldn’t function.

Your moronic remarks amount to nothing. Senseless gobbledygook.

 

[dblack]

After having read your responses to the above two points specific questions won't render any logical reply.

What part confuses you?

 

[dblack]

What you just described is a democracy, Majority rules what legislation we all have to conform by. I prefer the rule of the majority to the rule of a small minority.

That's a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between majority rule and minority rule (whatever that's supposed to mean). We can have neither. If it's not truly necessary for everyone to conform to the same practice, it's better to let people go their own way.

If we would allow the majority vote to determine government policy and legislation, we would be living in a much better country. Not perfect but much better nonetheless. Common sense rule. The sense of the commons is usually closer in line with what the vast majority of people need and want.

Sense is distressingly uncommon.

 

[dblack]

For the sake of others, not the dead-brained flopper, I'm going to respond to his disingenuous, stupid remarks.

He reminds us that "the USSR no longer exists" and my response is, so what? You're not in any way debunking socialism or communism by pointing out that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War and dissolved itself. Many capitalist nations have also failed, does that automatically by default imply that capitalism is inferior to socialism? I've already on several occasions shown how socialism bails out capitalism every few years and provides capitalists with plenty of public funds to stay afloat:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
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Socialism for the richest people in our society.​

Socialism is still alive and kicking regardless of whether the USSR is still in existence or not. We constantly hear these Republican conservatives calling everything that the government does to serve the American public, like healthcare, education, housing and feeding the poor, protecting labor rights..etc, as "COMMIE", COMMUNIST, socialist..etc. OK right-wing MAGA hats, if the Democrats are all a bunch of "coimmies" for being for the aforementioned government policies, then practically all of Western Europe is "COMMIE". What a mess you've created for yourselves.

Another thing worth considering is the fact that, just because the USSR made mistakes and eventually lost its struggle with the Western capitalist elites, that doesn't imply that socialism won't eventually replace capitalism in the future when conditions permit. Did capitalism replace chattel slavery and feudalism overnight? Did republicanism, replace monarchism, the Western notion of the "divine right of kings" in one definable event in history or with one single swoop of the sword? Did the European merchant capitalist class replace the royal aristocracy of Europe, with all of the feudal lords, in only one revolution or war?

Modern republicanism in many ways is a baby of capitalism, supported by the merchant classes.
Modern, Western, industrial-age socialism, was born from capitalism. How long did it take for republics to replace monarchies in the Western world? It didn't happen in one century or even two or three, it took hundreds of years. So why demand that if modern socialism or communism is an effective, valid economic and sociopolitical system it must defeat and replace capitalism quickly, in a matter of decades or in one or two centuries?

Capitalism didn't replace feudalism overnight, nor did the republicans replace the monarchists, in one single victory or swoop of their swords, so why demand that socialists or communists, replace capitalists in the blink of an eye, in one single try? Why, isn't that hypocritical?

The merchants became the powerful capitalist industrialists of the 19th century, the so-called guilded age, replacing the European royal aristocracy and "old money", becoming the new ruling class. The industrialists, the merchants of the industrial age, became the new elites, employing droves of laborers to work their factories and many other businesses. That didn't happen overnight, yet according to the defenders of capitalism, socialism must defeat and replace capitalism, with a snap of their fingers and never suffer a defeat or set back. I believe Rocky from the movie, lost against Apollo Creed, in his first attempt to take the heavyweight title. Then he came back and won.

The USSR accomplished so much that we are now still talking about it and debating over it. It has left its dent in the universe, it has left us its legacy to inspire socialists to do it right the next time. The next time, we will have much more advanced technology, pretty much ensuring our success. We have technology today that the Soviets could only dream of.

Now I hear the stupid response with respect to technology, by the defenders of capitalism, claiming that all the modern technology that we have today is thanks to capitalism. Only ignorant capitalist apologists resort to such silly, moronic
arguments.

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The government is heavily involved in the funding, research, and development of advanced technology. If not for the government, we wouldn't be communicating here on the internet. Both the US and the Soviets, have made important contributions to science and technology. Moreover, do these capitalist polemicists realize that capitalism relied on technology that was previously funded and developed by kings and feudal lords..etc? If not for all of the science and technology developed before capitalism, there would have been no industrial age, nor would've republics replaced monarchies in the Western world. Capitalist arguments and objections against socialism are practically always superficial, if not dishonest. Just plain ignorant.

wankin' and wankin' and wankin'

 

[GLASNOST]

Your moronic remarks amount to nothing. Senseless gobbledygook.

 

[GLASNOST]

What part confuses you?

Your childish convictions do not "confuse" me. They are just plain boring.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That's a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between majority rule and minority rule (whatever that's supposed to mean). We can have neither. If it's not truly necessary for everyone to conform to the same practice, it's better to let people go their own way.

Sense is distressingly uncommon.

That's a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between majority rule and minority rule (whatever that's supposed to mean).

For those who know English, it's clear what it means, it doesn't need to be further defined. It's better for everyone to have a vote and then go with the decision of the majority, than with the decision of a minority. All of the MAGA hats went nuts when they thought that Trump had won the election in 2020, based upon him supposedly getting the majority of votes yet he lost. They were outraged when Biden won because the one who gets the most votes should win. Even the MAGA hat-drones know this.

Right now in America, we have a plutocracy (rule of the rich), rather than a democracy (rule of the people). A system ruled by a small minority of wealthy capitalist elites, who are only interested in their vested interests, often at the expense of everyone else (the American public).

We can have neither. If it's not truly necessary for everyone to conform to the same practice, it's better to let people go their own way.

If you're a member of this society, you have to abide by the law. To do otherwise will get you a free vacation in the Grey Bar Hotel. You can go there and enjoy the baloney sandwiches and the purple grape drink.

Sense is distressingly uncommon.

Polls often show that people have more common sense than they're given credit for. The ruling class pretends otherwise in order to maintain control and impose their will and agenda upon the masses. They assert that everyone is stupid hence they need the supposed smarter elites to rule over them, and what ends up happening is that people are exploited, abused, and later consigned to the compost heap.

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[Plagerist]

It's still not here, though.

lol Look at federal code.

 

[Hector12]

Sure genius, the American working class was the world's aristocracy of labor, after WW2. If you know your history, the US came out of the war unscathed, unlike the Soviets who lost 28 million people and much of the infrastructure that they had built in the previous twenty years. During the great depression in the US and Western Europe, the Soviets were actually doing quite well, to the point that thousands of American and Western European engineers and scientists migrated to Stalin's Soviet Russia, to contribute to the new nation's development.

After WW2, the Soviets had to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and rebuild their new country. Unlike Western Europe and Japan, the Soviets didn't have the "Marshal Plan", funded by the US, to help them redevelop their countries. The Soviets had to do it on their own, and in less than 15 years, it was a nuclear power, launching the first satellites and even people into space.

The Soviets despite all of the challenges built their economy to the point that it was the second largest economy in the world by 1970, only second to the USA. Not bad for a new country, constantly being economically sanctioned and attacked militarily by powerful, well established, older, much more entrenched, and developed enemies, like the USA, huh? The US had over 100 years of industrialization ahead of the USSR.

If you notice, Berlin was in Eastern Germany, a part of Germany that was communist, and for security reasons primarily the wall was built. They had American, British, and French forces in the heart of their country, so they built a wall around Berlin. Now if you claim that it was also built to keep people from East Germany defecting into Western-controlled Berlin, you are partly correct. I'm not going to deny it and lie to you.

So let me get this straight, you invest your resources in training scientists, engineers, and doctors, to serve your country, when it is trying to get back on its feet after a devastating world war, that killed 14% of your population (28 million people), and the enemy across your border is constantly tempting those highly educated and trained citizens of your country, to defect and drain your nation of its intelligentsia and academics. It's called "brain drain", and yes East Germany and the USSR did restrict travel outside of its borders for its citizens., as a matter of survival.

The USSR was essentially always at war, in an existential battle against extremely powerful enemies. If it wasn't a hot war, it was a cold war, draining resources that could've been used to improve the lives of Soviet citizens.

What your capitalist propaganda does not tell you is that despite those restrictions, Soviet citizens still did travel outside of the USSR, and also extensively within the USSR, which was an enormous country, with many different interesting places to visit. The average Soviet citizen went on vacation just as much as their American counterparts, if not more.

The Soviet Union developed an extensive system of programs and institutions to provide recreational activities and vacation opportunities for its working-class citizens. These programs were part of the state's commitment to ensuring that all citizens had access to leisure and rest, which were considered essential for maintaining a healthy and productive society. Here's a list of some key Soviet programs and institutions dedicated to recreational activities and vacations:

1. Trade Union-Run Sanatoria and Resorts​

• Sanatoria: The Soviet Union had a vast network of sanatoria, which were health resorts where workers could go for rest and recuperation. These facilities were often located in scenic areas, such as the Black Sea coast, the Caucasus Mountains, or the Crimean Peninsula. Workers could receive medical treatments while enjoying the natural environment.
• Resorts: In addition to sanatoria, the USSR developed beach resorts, mountain lodges, and other vacation spots where workers and their families could spend their holidays. The most famous of these were in Sochi, Yalta, and the Georgian coast.

2. Pioneers Camps​

• Young Pioneer Camps: These were summer camps for children, organized by the Young Pioneers, the Soviet youth organization. The most famous was Artek, located on the Crimean Peninsula, which was an elite camp where selected children could spend their summer. However, there were thousands of other Pioneer camps across the Soviet Union, where children could participate in sports, crafts, cultural activities, and learn about Soviet values.

3. Intourist​

• Intourist: Initially established to manage foreign tourism, Intourist also organized domestic travel and vacations for Soviet citizens. It provided packages that included transportation, accommodation, and excursions to various destinations within the Soviet Union.

4. Dom Otdykha (Houses of Rest)​

• Dom Otdykha: These were holiday homes or "Houses of Rest" where workers could take short breaks. They were often located in the countryside or near forests, rivers, and lakes, offering a tranquil environment for relaxation. These facilities were less formal than sanatoria and focused on leisure rather than medical treatment.

5. Tourism and Excursion Clubs​

• Tourism Clubs: Various tourism clubs and societies were established to promote hiking, skiing, and other outdoor activities. The All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions (VTsSPS) played a significant role in organizing these activities, ensuring workers had access to recreational facilities across the country.
• Gorkom detouristov: These were hiking clubs that organized group hiking trips, often involving lengthy and challenging routes in the mountains, forests, and other natural settings.

6. Soviet Trade Unions​

• Trade Union Vouchers: Soviet trade unions were heavily involved in distributing vouchers for vacations at sanatoria, resorts, and holiday homes. These vouchers were often subsidized or even free, depending on the worker's contribution to their workplace. The trade unions also organized excursions, cultural activities, and sports events.

7. Cultural and Recreational Parks​

• Parks of Culture and Rest: Nearly every Soviet city had parks specifically designed for recreational activities. These parks often featured sports facilities, theaters, dance floors, and playgrounds. The most famous example is Gorky Park in Moscow.

8. All-Union Leninist Young Communist League (Komsomol) Activities​

• Komsomol: The youth organization known as Komsomol organized a wide range of recreational activities for young workers, including sports, camping trips, and cultural events. Komsomol camps and expeditions were popular among young people and provided opportunities to explore the Soviet Union.

9. Sports and Fitness Programs​

• Spartakiad: These were large-scale sports events organized by trade unions and the government, providing opportunities for workers to engage in sports competitions. They were part of the broader Soviet focus on physical fitness.
• GTO (Ready for Labor and Defense): The GTO program was a physical fitness program that encouraged all citizens to participate in sports and maintain physical health. It included various sports and fitness challenges that were accessible to the working class.

10. Soviet Passenger Ships and River Cruises​

• River Cruises: The Soviet Union offered river cruises along major rivers like the Volga, Don, and Dnieper. These cruises were popular for vacations, offering scenic views and cultural experiences.
• Passenger Ships: The Soviet fleet included passenger ships that operated routes along the Black Sea, Baltic Sea, and other bodies of water, providing vacation experiences for workers and their families.

11. Kolhoznik Recreation Programs​

• Kolhoznik: Collective farm workers (kolkhozniks) also had access to vacation programs, often organized by the state or collective farms. These included trips to sanatoria, resorts, and vacation homes, similar to those available to urban workers.

12. Dachas​

• Dachas: While not a state program, the dacha culture was widespread in the Soviet Union. Many workers had access to small countryside cottages (dachas) where they could spend weekends and vacations gardening, relaxing, and enjoying nature.

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union had several programs that allowed students and scientists to interact with and collaborate with Western institutions. These programs were part of a broader effort to engage with the West in areas like education, science, and technology. Here are some of the key programs and initiatives:

1. Lacy-Zarubin Agreement (1958)​

• This agreement, formally known as the U.S.-Soviet Cultural Exchange Agreement, was a significant initiative between the USSR and the United States that allowed for scientific, educational, and cultural exchanges. The agreement facilitated the exchange of students, scholars, and scientists between the two countries, fostering mutual understanding and cooperation.

2. Fulbright Program (USSR Participation)​

• Although the Fulbright Program is a U.S. initiative, during certain periods, the USSR participated in it, allowing Soviet scholars to study in the United States and American scholars to visit the USSR. This program provided opportunities for academic exchanges and collaborative research.

3. IREX (International Research & Exchanges Board)​

• IREX was established in 1968 to promote academic exchanges between the United States and the USSR (and later with other Eastern European countries). It facilitated research exchanges, language programs, and scholarly collaborations between Soviet and American academics.

4. Soviet-American Joint Commission on Scientific and Technical Cooperation (1972)​

• This commission was established as part of the broader détente between the USSR and the United States. It facilitated cooperation in various scientific fields, including physics, space research, and medicine. The commission organized joint research projects, conferences, and exchanges of scientists.

5. Intercosmos Program​

• Though primarily a space exploration program, Intercosmos included international cooperation in space research and technology development. While it mainly involved Soviet allies, it also included Western European countries and, to some extent, collaboration with NASA and other Western space agencies.

6. Soviet-Eastern Bloc Educational Exchanges​

• While most educational exchanges were within the Eastern Bloc, there were specific programs that allowed for interaction with Western European countries. These exchanges were often part of bilateral agreements and focused on technical education, language studies, and cultural exchange.

7. UNESCO Involvement​

• The USSR was actively involved in UNESCO and used this platform to engage with Western countries in educational and scientific programs. UNESCO facilitated exchanges of students, scholars, and scientists, particularly in fields like education, science, and culture.

8. Individual University Agreements​

• Several Soviet universities had specific agreements with Western institutions that allowed for student and faculty exchanges. These agreements often focused on particular areas of study, such as engineering, physics, or languages.

9. Scientific Conferences and Symposia​

• The USSR organized and participated in international scientific conferences and symposia where Soviet scientists interacted with their Western counterparts. These events often led to joint publications and collaborative research projects.

10. European Scientific Cooperation​

• The USSR engaged in various forms of scientific cooperation with Western European countries through bilateral agreements. This included the exchange of scientists and participation in joint research initiatives, particularly in fields like physics, chemistry, and biology.

Was the USSR perfect? No, far from it, but despite all of its flaws people today in Russia still think of their life as Soviet citizens with positive, fond nostalgia. Some even wish they could revive the Soviet Union and become Soviet citizens again.

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Lenin claimed to speak for "the proletariat." Nevertheless, he never worked in a factory a day in his life.

The real proletarian uprising was the Kronstadt Rebellion, which the Communists crushed.

Shortly before the German invasion Stalin executed his military high command because the Gestapo convinced him that his high command was plotting to overthrow him. The Soviet military high command was innocent, but this made the Soviet Union unnecessarily vulnerable to the German invasion.

Communist oppression caused many Soviet citizens to initially welcome the Nazis as liberators.

The Soviet Union was invited to join the Marshall Plan, but it refused to.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Lenin claimed to speak for "the proletariat." Nevertheless, he never worked in a factory a day in his life.

The real proletarian uprising was the Kronstadt Rebellion, which the Communists crushed.

Shortly before the German invasion Stalin executed his military high command because the Gestapo convinced him that his high command was plotting to overthrow him. The Soviet military high command was innocent, but this made the Soviet Union unnecessarily vulnerable to the German invasion.

Communist oppression caused many Soviet citizens to initially welcome the Nazis as liberators.

The Soviet Union was invited to join the Marshall Plan, but it refused to.

Hector12, I'm going through your capitalist-imperialist claptrap, point by point.

First, you claim that Lenin never worked in a factory a day in his life, which somehow disqualifies him from representing the proletariat. This is a weak ad hominem attack. Lenin's role was not to be a factory worker but to be an intellectual and revolutionary leader. His deep understanding of Marxist theory, his strategic brilliance, and his leadership skills were far more crucial to the proletarian revolution than working on an assembly line. Lenin's entire life was dedicated to studying, organizing, and leading the working class. He didn't need to work in a factory to understand the exploitation workers faced under capitalist employment (i.e. "exploiment", a word I just made up expressing the exploitation of capitalist employment); he spent years advocating for their cause and ultimately led a revolution that changed the course of history.

And let's not forget the hypocrisy in your ad hominem attack against Lenin, being that Donald Trump and his children have never worked in a factory, yet claim to champion the interests of working-class America. It's absurd to disqualify Lenin on such grounds while giving a pass to capitalist leaders who do the exact same shit.

Regarding the Kronstadt Rebellion, it's often misrepresented by critics of the Bolsheviks. The rebellion happened during an incredibly tough time for the Soviet state. They were dealing with external threats, a civil war, and economic collapse. While the sailors of Kronstadt had legitimate grievances, their rebellion threatened to destabilize the Soviet government at a critical moment. The rebellion included anarchists and anti-Bolshevik elements, which made the situation even more complicated. The Bolsheviks saw the rebellion as a counter-revolutionary threat, supported by White forces (i.e. The pro-Tsarist, capitalist armies) and the international capitalist powers that had invaded Soviet Russia, namely the US, UK, France, and ten other countries.

Suppressing it was seen as necessary to preserve the revolution. This was a difficult decision, but in any revolutionary process, tough decisions are inevitable. The priority was to protect the revolution from internal and external enemies, even if it meant making unpopular choices.

Your point about Stalin executing his military high command because the Gestapo convinced him of a plot is a mix of fact and speculation. Yes, Stalin did conduct purges of the military leadership in the late 1930s, and yes, it temporarily weakened the Soviet military. However, the idea that the Gestapo manipulated Stalin is speculative at best. The purges were part of a broader campaign to eliminate perceived enemies of the state, and while they did have damaging effects, the Soviet Union's eventual victory in World War II shows that the Red Army was able to rebuild and effectively respond to the German invasion.

Despite the initial setbacks caused by the purges, the Soviet Union adapted and successfully defended itself against the Third Reich, ultimately triumphing and playing a crucial role in the Allied victory.

As for your claim that communist oppression caused many Soviet citizens to initially welcome the Germans as liberators, you're oversimplifying a very complex situation. Yes, some Soviet citizens initially welcomed the Germans, but this was often out of desperation during the hardships of war, not because they supported Hitler.

The widespread Soviet partisan resistance against the German invaders is evidence that the majority of Soviet citizens opposed the occupiers. The Soviet Union's ability to mobilize its population in the fight against Hitler's Germany, despite the initial hardships, reflects the deep-rooted commitment to defending its homeland and the socialist state. Western narratives often exaggerate the extent of collaboration in the Soviet Union to discredit communism, but the reality is that Soviet citizens played a crucial role in the defeat of Germany. The war was essentially one between National Socialists because in many ways Stalin was a type of Socialist Nationalist, similar to Hitler, minus the racism. Stalin was a "NazBol".

Lastly, you claim that the Soviet Union was invited to join the Marshall Plan but refused. This is another oversimplification being that the requirements were for the USSR to essentially open itself to American companies and markets. Nice try, but no, we'll remain socialists.

Despite the challenges, the Soviet Union successfully rebuilt its economy after World War II without Marshall Plan aid. By 1970, it had become the second-largest economy in the world, demonstrating its capacity for self-sufficiency and the effectiveness of its socialist economic policies.

So, while you're quick to throw out these criticisms, it's clear that your understanding of Soviet history is shaped by a narrative that oversimplifies and distorts the complexities of that period. The Soviet Union, despite its flaws, achieved significant successes, especially in rebuilding after World War II, advancing in science and technology, and defending itself against its mortal enemies. Reducing these complex historical events to simplistic criticisms only serves to ignore the broader context and the achievements of the Soviet state. Nice try, but you failed again. Go read a book.