Zone1 When do you think slavery would have ended in the United States if we had no Civil War.

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

An AI Bing chat search:

Yes, the use of corporal punishment was indeed a reality in American slavery. Whipping was frequently carried out during the period of slavery in the United States, by slave owners and their slaves1. The power was also given to slave “patrolers,” mostly poor whites authorized to whip any slave who violated the slave codes1.

The most frequent punishment witnessed against slaves judged to be underperforming was whipping2. Sometimes slave-owners resorted to mutilating and branding their slaves, and the death penalty was introduced for a whole range of offences2. Plantation owners believed that this severe discipline would make the slaves too scared to rebel2.

Even misdemeanors warranted harsh corporal punishment and a long list of felonies qualified for the death penalty3. People were executed not only for murder but also rape, theft, arson, and assault3. White colonists quickly began using this “sanguinary code,” as the British called it, to enforce the institution of slavery3.

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No female slave had the legal right to avoid rape. She had no self ownership and control.

IOW, all slaves were sex objects of the more powerful whites.

 

[Robert W]

They retrained. And what about the billions of new jobs? You can't win this.,

Well, not entirely. If a man is a skilled machinist, and his place of employment installs a new CNC machine, bet you that they did it to save on labor costs and get more accuracy at the same time.
I made parts for cardboard box making machines and they did the work of a lot of men. To save labor and do so accurately. I also made parts for soap packing machines and they would package a ton of soap per minute accurately. How many men would it take per minute to package a ton of soap?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I owned a machine shop Slow Horses. I know a lot about machines. I made many machines. But the reason to go mechanized is to gain speed and do so with more accuracy than humans do.

... which can lead to the creation of jobs.

 

[Robert W]

An AI Bing chat search:

Yes, the use of corporal punishment was indeed a reality in American slavery. Whipping was frequently carried out during the period of slavery in the United States, by slave owners and their slaves1. The power was also given to slave “patrolers,” mostly poor whites authorized to whip any slave who violated the slave codes1.

The most frequent punishment witnessed against slaves judged to be underperforming was whipping2. Sometimes slave-owners resorted to mutilating and branding their slaves, and the death penalty was introduced for a whole range of offences2. Plantation owners believed that this severe discipline would make the slaves too scared to rebel2.

Even misdemeanors warranted harsh corporal punishment and a long list of felonies qualified for the death penalty3. People were executed not only for murder but also rape, theft, arson, and assault3. White colonists quickly began using this “sanguinary code,” as the British called it, to enforce the institution of slavery3.

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No female slave had the legal right to avoid rape. She had no self ownership and control.

IOW, all slaves were sex objects of the more powerful whites.

Apply that same thinking to our own Army. How many of our men would you beat for disobeying orders?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Did cases exist in American slavery where whites serially abused even killed blacks?

Bing AI search:
Yes, there were indeed cases in American slavery where whites serially abused and even killed blacks. One of the most notorious examples is that of Marie Delphine Macarty, more commonly known as Madame LaLaurie1. She was a New Orleans socialite and serial killer who tortured and murdered slaves in her household1.

On April 10, 1834, rescuers responded to a fire at her Royal Street mansion and discovered bound slaves in her attic who showed evidence of cruel, violent abuse over a long period1. Her house was subsequently sacked by an outraged mob of New Orleans citizens1.

There were also numerous court cases in the United States involving slavery2. For instance, the case of North Carolina v. Mann in 1830 ruled that slaveowners had absolute authority over their slaves and could not be found guilty of committing violence against them2.

These instances highlight the harsh reality of the systemic abuse and violence that was prevalent during the era of American slavery.

 

[Robert W]

... which can lead to the creation of jobs.

Provided the firm can sell more goods. When i purchased machines to use to make machines, it was not trying to hire less men, it was to do it much faster and better.

 

[Robert W]

Did cases exist in American slavery where whites serially abused even killed blacks?

Bing AI search:
Yes, there were indeed cases in American slavery where whites serially abused and even killed blacks. One of the most notorious examples is that of Marie Delphine Macarty, more commonly known as Madame LaLaurie1. She was a New Orleans socialite and serial killer who tortured and murdered slaves in her household1.

On April 10, 1834, rescuers responded to a fire at her Royal Street mansion and discovered bound slaves in her attic who showed evidence of cruel, violent abuse over a long period1. Her house was subsequently sacked by an outraged mob of New Orleans citizens1.

There were also numerous court cases in the United States involving slavery2. For instance, the case of North Carolina v. Mann in 1830 ruled that slaveowners had absolute authority over their slaves and could not be found guilty of committing violence against them2.

These instances highlight the harsh reality of the systemic abuse and violence that was prevalent during the era of American slavery.

It seems you have watched far too many hollywood movies of those old days.

Bear in mind how hollywood depicts the cowboy and the gun fighter. They both wear very nice suits and the gunman is super quick to draw his pistol. However those who were better at aiming the pistol could kill the fast gun artist.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Good for you. I hope you made a profit.

Billions of jobs exist because of the Second Industrial Revolution and after. AI will help continue that.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It seems you have watched far too many hollywood movies of those old days.

I know you hate being fact checked. Tough. This is over for you: now you are talking to yourself.

 

[Foxfyre]

If we look at Brazil finally succumbing to LEGAL slavery in 1888, I'll use that as my answer......1888

Was it worth it to split this country and lose 600k of its citizens when slavery would have ended by law 20 yrs later??

And to create such an abysmal political welfare state (give them just enough crumbs to live by) and continuing legal slavery to this day even

Was it worth it folks looking at the horror if we waited 20 short yrs

Most people aren't educated to know the North Atlantic Slave Trade ended around 1810 and legal capture ended. So it wasn't like it was still going on our shores

Historical Context: Abolishing the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade · Voyage of the Echo: The Trials of an Illegal Trans-Atlantic Slave Ship · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

Slavery was nowhere near as profitable for people as some want to think. The southern slave states had far more poverty and were far more disadvantaged than was the more affluent North, even those Northern states that were slave states.

It is important to know that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves in slave states that did not secede from the union. It only freed the slaves in the states that did. It's purpose was to punish the South, not to help the slaves.

Nevertheless the union slave states would choose to abolish slavery just as one by one country after country throughout the world were doing so, and it is inevitable that the South would come to the same decision within a few years after the secession. I am pretty sure that there could have been negotiations to reunite the southern states with the Union and if that process had been utilized, the trauma to the people of the South, both black and white and all other hues, would have been far less.

The Civil War didn't have to happen and it would have been better had it not. But it did and it is part of our history and heritage.

 

[Robert W]

I know you hate being fact checked. Tough. This is over for you: now you are talking to yourself.

What facts?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

According to ESPN, Athletes and the Marxist loser on the right slavery still exists LOL.

They should just refuse to sign any contracts. If I never saw another black basketball player in my life, it wouldn't bother me.

 

[initforme]

Slave owners were lazy repugnant people. That fact cannot be disputed. Anti Christian for sure.

 

[fncceo]

Slave owners were lazy repugnant people. That fact cannot be disputed. Anti Christian for sure.

 

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[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at Brazil finally succumbing to LEGAL slavery in 1888, I'll use that as my answer......1888

Was it worth it to split this country and lose 600k of its citizens when slavery would have ended by law 20 yrs later??

And to create such an abysmal political welfare state (give them just enough crumbs to live by) and continuing legal slavery to this day even

Was it worth it folks looking at the horror if we waited 20 short yrs

Most people aren't educated to know the North Atlantic Slave Trade ended around 1810 and legal capture ended. So it wasn't like it was still going on our shores

Historical Context: Abolishing the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade · Voyage of the Echo: The Trials of an Illegal Trans-Atlantic Slave Ship · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

Even after the Civil War the so called civilized Indian tribes didn't give up their slaves until 1866.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So? You have no point of import, TK.

 

[Robert W]

I know you hate being fact checked. Tough. This is over for you: now you are talking to yourself.

You admit nothing you say is important. And of course what you said about me is one more lie.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Educated people know that people have conquered other people since time.

Educated people know every land was invaded by someone in time.

Educated people know slavery was not born of racism, but simply stronger conquering the weaker

Educated people know that African slave gathering was relatively new in time context

Educated people know American Indians conquered other Indians....Africans enslaving other Africans....etc

So who can argue any of these statements?

We really need to reclaim the narrative and emphasise the positive aspects of the slave experience.

 

[DudleySmith]

There is no slavery in Alabama, liberal shitholes like California however probably have plenty of the disgusting institution.

Yes, California is full of sweatshops full of latino, Chinese, and other Asian illegals.