When did Calumny become the Rule of Law?

[beautress]

Yesterday, on national tv, I saw Hillary lying about her calumny against President Trump by trying to distance her payment to the British Spy, Christopher Steele for presenting a dossier of lies about President Trump that contained both salacious lies and professional lies about colusion with Russia, neither of which happened in reality. then I realized we've been hearing the same character assassination of President Donald Trump that we've been hearing for five years, most of us knowing Hillary is the most likely person to have perpetrated this lie to the press, to the FBI, and to Congress itself.

I did a little digging and found what the American Bar Association define as the rule of law: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...rican-life--a-long-and-intentional-tradition/ and I quote from their first paragraph: "No country can maintain a rule of law society if its people do not respect the laws." and from the second paragraph: "The rule of law functions because most of us agree that it is important to follow laws every day."

I further found another article that makes me wonder about Hillary's continual lying yesterday or the day before that and since she told the grand jury "I forget" in 1996: Hillary Clinton Tells Grand Jury She Cannot Account for Records (Published 1996)

This is about her cavalier lying: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...ows-hillary-clinton-lied-and-got-away-with-it ~​

"The implications: The entire top ranks of the Democratic Party – donors, policymakers, senior diplomats, even a former president – could be exposed as accessories in her mishandling of documents more people have seen than were ever meant to."​

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[beautress]

How are we going to fix this problem of lying to conveniently fool the American people with the liars ending up in total power over everyone else with lying about cheating at the polls in multiple ways because doing everything the same would be suspicious. Using up to 30 different ways of lying, cheating, stealing, fooling, and acting out, it puts off justice for years if not decades. Delayed justice isn't justice at all.

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing changes or improves as long as both ends of the spectrum refuse to look in the mirror and only point the finger at the other.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

*****SMILE*****

 

[beautress]

Nothing changes or improves as long as both ends of the spectrum refuse to look in the mirror and only point the finger at the other.

I'm not pleased to inform you that the courts have ruled it's okay to lie in an election, and I quote:

Courts stand up for the right to fib​

In April of this year, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that politicians can lie during political campaigns. In Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, the Court ruled a politician’s right to lie during a campaign is protected under the free speech provision of the First Amendment. (Article posted in 2016)​

Why is it legal for politicians to lie? - AvvoStories

Lying in politics is as much a part of history as it is part of just about any political campaign. And it’s perfectly legal. How come?

stories.avvo.com

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Expecting some thing any thing in the way of justice to people like Clinton is like wishing the Earth would skip a tide.

Challenges to power must come from the people.

We cannot depend upon the interconnected systems of government to self correct at the highest level.

Especially when we consider the merger of state and corporate powers in the modern west.

Until the people are ready to revolt...nothing...and i mean NOTHING of consequence will happen.

 

[task0778]

The problem as I see it is at least in part due to an irresponsible and politically biased media that will not present the whole truth in an impartial and complete manner. When the media does not hold liberal progressive politicians and supporters accountable for what they say and do, they are in fact encouraging lies and misconduct. Why? Because there's no blowback; nothing happens, and if there is no penalty then the lies an misconduct continues and even grows. And don't tell me this is applicable to both the Left and the Right. Bullshit, anytime a Righty is accused of something it's on Page 1 for days, especially if the person has any connection to Trump.

 

[beautress]

Expecting some thing any thing in the way of justice to people like Clinton is like wishing the Earth would skip a tide.

Challenges to power must come from the people.

We cannot depend upon the interconnected systems of government to self correct at the highest level.

Especially when we consider the merger of state and corporate powers in the modern west.

Until the people are ready to revolt...nothing...and i mean NOTHING of consequence will happen.

Well-said, Gabe. The communists running the deep state are closing in. They have a willingness to scam elections and are working hard on making sure they have a no-identitification, mail-in vote, no checking to see if the person exists or already voted before receipt of mail in vote, an incentive to solicit friends to turn in multiple votes with no chance the multiple votes will be invalidated with shifting questionable votes into black boxes hidden under the noses of Republican watchdogs, and eager political upstarts willing to cheat the American voters by voting numerous times every day for the extended times of receiving mail-ins before and after federal guidelines are ignored.

That known, our chances of having a true count is null and void. Democrats ditched prayer in schools, which is a starter to create a race of atheists who account to no one except someone with a gun, and that's been taken care of too by promoting a future FBI composed of ex-BLM members who participated in shooting and killing other persons of color who might not be voting with them. With a little hacking here and a little hacking there, they will know which of their own didn't vote leftist, and they will discipline them with a little invitation to a riot disguised as a block party, and use them for BLM target practice. If other races don't like their black friends getting shot up to death, they can be monitored electronically too. It's a nobody wins world in the bosom of communism. If you don't feather their beds, you will be shipped off to the equivalent of a Siberia of Russian communist notoriety. Nancy Pelosi is the next best example I can think of as the most overt of the anoscope inspection of other people's doings, which she likely learned from her coarse coconspirator, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

 

[White 6]

How are we going to fix this problem of lying to conveniently fool the American people with the liars ending up in total power over everyone else with lying about cheating at the polls in multiple ways because doing everything the same would be suspicious. Using up to 30 different ways of lying, cheating, stealing, fooling, and acting out, it puts off justice for years if not decades. Delayed justice isn't justice at all.

Your post is exactly why I could not vote for Hillary or Donny.

 

[Lisa558]

How are we going to fix this problem of lying to conveniently fool the American people with the liars ending up in total power over everyone else with lying about cheating at the polls in multiple ways because doing everything the same would be suspicious. Using up to 30 different ways of lying, cheating, stealing, fooling, and acting out, it puts off justice for years if not decades. Delayed justice isn't justice at all.

And what compounds the problem is that when those of us hear the ignorant and gullible voters repeat the lies and try to educate them, we are attacked with vicious accusations and denigrated and demeaned until we shut up.

 

[beautress]

The problem as I see it is at least in part due to an irresponsible and politically biased media that will not present the whole truth in an impartial and complete manner. When the media does not hold liberal progressive politicians and supporters accountable for what they say and do, they are in fact encouraging lies and misconduct. Why? Because there's no blowback; nothing happens, and if there is no penalty then the lies an misconduct continues and even grows. And don't tell me this is applicable to both the Left and the Right. Bullshit, anytime a Righty is accused of something it's on Page 1 for days, especially if the person has any connection to Trump.

I understand that news commentators are well-paid beyond the average person's comprehension for their nearly identical me-toos using verbatim criticisms based on fiction, and the narrative was changing with each passing day, using identical groupspeak.

 

[beautress]

Expecting some thing any thing in the way of justice to people like Clinton is like wishing the Earth would skip a tide.

Challenges to power must come from the people.

We cannot depend upon the interconnected systems of government to self correct at the highest level.

Especially when we consider the merger of state and corporate powers in the modern west.

Until the people are ready to revolt...nothing...and i mean NOTHING of consequence will happen.

Gabe, many of the Russian people who supported the bolsheviks in 1917 were horrified and frightened by the calloused murder of the Czar, his wife and big family of children, two of whom were infants. They were promised to be released from the monarchy (that was in the road of the bolsheviks), only to find out how far more vicious the scary communists were. And well they should be, because the murders continued, and to this day, the largest country landmass-wise is deficient in population due to kill off and the hard times their something-for-nothing attitude toward successful businesses became an actual Achilles' heel to the socialistic communists needed to install their abrasive and retributive hostility against anyone who breathed a question about why they murdered their rather upright Czar who secretly was charitable to the poor, libraries, starving artists, and his promotion of good deeds of other wealthy philanthropists in his inner circle to bless the poor and the ignorant as they could afford. The more this dawned on the Russian people, any question of the killings resulted in more killings and deprivation of property with a life term in poverty and hardship in Siberia where they were held against their will, same as prisoners who broke the laws against theft, murder, and false witness in another time, the population took a humongous drop, and it continued to do so through the years. I was hoping and praying their leader, Vladamir Putin would put away his war machines against the Ukraine who lost a million farmers as part of the socialistic purge of its critics, which was the old middle class in Russia, i.e. the majority of good folks. Losing half the population was a true footshoot executed by the bolsheviks. President Gorbachof finally saw the light after our President Reagan asked him to "tear down this wall" and President GHW Bush outlined a means for the Russian people to prosper well by doing so on his term of office. He used his ambassador's aplomb to convince Gorbachov that that would be a good thing for the benefit of Mother Russia's inhabitants. And so it was. Now I'm seeing Russia headed down the wrong road, and I pray for them to lighten up and let their satellite countries be. Again, I ask the leader Vladimir Putin to let it be in the Ukraine. And if he does back away from another footshoot, I will ask God to prosper the Russian people with good, hard-working children and prosperity and freedom for all there. I hope he looks to the future and gets his bright ones to pave the way for prosperity from a bright and hardworking population in beautiful Russia. Amen.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Gabe, many of the Russian people who supported the bolsheviks in 1917 were horrified and frightened by the calloused murder of the Czar, his wife and big family of children, two of whom were infants. They were promised to be released from the monarchy (that was in the road of the bolsheviks), only to find out how far more vicious the scary communists were. And well they should be, because the murders continued, and to this day, the largest country landmass-wise is deficient in population due to kill off and the hard times their something-for-nothing attitude toward successful businesses became an actual Achilles' heel to the socialistic communists needed to install their abrasive and retributive hostility against anyone who breathed a question about why they murdered their rather upright Czar who secretly was charitable to the poor, libraries, starving artists, and his promotion of good deeds of other wealthy philanthropists in his inner circle to bless the poor and the ignorant as they could afford. The more this dawned on the Russian people, any question of the killings resulted in more killings and deprivation of property with a life term in poverty and hardship in Siberia where they were held against their will, same as prisoners who broke the laws against theft, murder, and false witness in another time, the population took a humongous drop, and it continued to do so through the years. I was hoping and praying their leader, Vladamir Putin would put away his war machines against the Ukraine who lost a million farmers as part of the socialistic purge of its critics, which was the old middle class in Russia, i.e. the majority of good folks. Losing half the population was a true footshoot executed by the bolsheviks. President Gorbachof finally saw the light after our President Reagan asked him to "tear down this wall" and President GHW Bush outlined a means for the Russian people to prosper well by doing so on his term of office. He used his ambassador's aplomb to convince Gorbachov that that would be a good thing for the benefit of Mother Russia's inhabitants. And so it was. Now I'm seeing Russia headed down the wrong road, and I pray for them to lighten up and let their satellite countries be. Again, I ask the leader Vladimir Putin to let it be in the Ukraine. And if he does back away from another footshoot, I will ask God to prosper the Russian people with good, hard-working children and prosperity and freedom for all there. I hope he looks to the future and gets his bright ones to pave the way for prosperity from a bright and hardworking population in beautiful Russia. Amen.

We're gonna have to disagree on this one.

Russia has not been adding nations to a war coaltion...NATO has.

Examine it from their perspective.

If Russia came into our sphere of influence and began adding South and Central American nations in an attempt to "Stave off war"

What do you think our reaction would be?

Exactly.

The US and NATO are the aggressors here.

Plain and simple.

 

[beautress]

We're gonna have to disagree on this one.

Russia has not been adding nations to a war coaltion...NATO has.

Examine it from their perspective.

If Russia came into our sphere of influence and began adding South and Central American nations in an attempt to "Stave off war"

What do you think our reaction would be?

Exactly.

The US and NATO are the aggressors here.

Plain and simple.

I guess we do. I go by the book. the good book. It says to forgive those who hurt and misuse you, to pray for them and forgive. Christ himself forgave his assailants for nailing his hands and legs to a cross and for landing a spear in his side to finish him off for a slow, agonizing end, with the words, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Mr. Putin was raised in the city of St. Petersburg that was renamed Stalingrad before he was born. They say his family were religious people in that lovely church, and that when he was young he learned of Christ Jesus. I'm just a small voice, but in the interests of brotherly love and international diplomacy, he can minimize in some way what appears to be aggression. Perhaps the leadership of the Ukraine can bargain with him in a way that will benefit both Russia and the Ukraine, and they can patch up any hard feelings by honoring a special trust that those who believe in God can merit by asking for his guidance in the future. I so hope things end well for both the Ukrainians and Mother Russia. Once they were the true friends of other countries. I know Catherine the Great was criticized because of her youthful indiscretions, but when she became the Czarina of Russia, she distributed her wealth with the starving artists of other European countries, and leaving behind her enough of the world's most beautiful artworks at the Hermitage Museum, her former palace, and the Russians prospered afghanistan that furnished them with the lovely pillars of precious stones such as malachite and lapis in museums and at St Peter's Cathedral in St. Petersburg, where Putin worshiped as a youngster. May God himself intervene in favor of world peace and prosperity that prevents war.

 

[task0778]

We're gonna have to disagree on this one.

Russia has not been adding nations to a war coaltion...NATO has.

Examine it from their perspective.

If Russia came into our sphere of influence and began adding South and Central American nations in an attempt to "Stave off war"

What do you think our reaction would be?

Exactly.

The US and NATO are the aggressors here.

Plain and simple.

"Russia has not been adding nations to a war coaltion...NATO has."

Gabe, NATO is not a war coalition, frankly that is a bullshit comparison. NATO is a mutual defense organization that is designed to discourage Russia or nay other foreign power from engaging in hostile acts to any NATO country.


"The US and NATO are the aggressors here."

Bullshit. To my knowledge there are no NATO or American forces on the ground in or near Ukraine. The ONLY aggressor in that area is Russia.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Gabe, NATO is not a war coalition frankly that is a bullshit comparison.

Since the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, NATO has DOUBLED in size...for what?

Terrorism in Europe?

Please provide concrete examples of the actions Russia has taken that justifies the doubling of the size of NATO?

Bullshit. To my knowledge there are no NATO or American forces on the ground in or near Ukraine. The

The Us government has been engaging with, training, and providing weapons systems to Ukraine.

There are consistent flights in and out of that AOR from Papa, Hungary.

Are we there in the tens of thousands...no...but we have had steady, consistent ops with Ukrainian forces for quite a while.

What if the Russian military was equipping, training, and exercising with Mexican forces south of the border?

What if they had advisor forces in Mexico helping the Mexicans to set up missile batteries pointed at us?

So...what has Russia done that is worth doubling the size of NATO?

 

[task0778]

So...what has Russia done that is worth doubling the size of NATO?

This was written back in 2019, how much more has Russia built up it's military since then?

Since 2015, Russia acquired more than 250 long-range ballistic missiles; by the end of 2018, nearly 1,000 military helicopters in Russia were modernized. In addition, in the past eight years, the country added more than 1,000 new or modernized combat planes, more than any other country over the same period.
More than 3.5 million Russians work in defense positions, which adds up to 5% of the Russian workforce being dedicated to military purposes.

This spending "strengthened Russia's position as a geopolitical actor and reinforced its leadership's claims to Russia's status of a 'great power'," Connolly said in a report on the topic published in October.

In addition, Russia is unlikely to see budget cuts in this sector, as the Russians historically have seen the military as one of their greatest assets, Connolly remarked at the CSIS panel.
"Even when their economy is not doing well, they still make sure they allocate a large proportion of output to military spending."


Maybe that's why. Surely you know that Putin wants to return to the days of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. When you talk about NATO doubling it's size, you're talking about the number of countries that have joined since NATO's inception, right? Maybe all those countries are looking for security against Russian aggression?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-05/russia-boosted-its-military-with-increased-in-house-production-and-spending

To say that the US and NATO are the agressors is bullshit.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

This was written back in 2019, how much more has Russia built up it's military since then?

Since 2015, Russia acquired more than 250 long-range ballistic missiles; by the end of 2018, nearly 1,000 military helicopters in Russia were modernized. In addition, in the past eight years, the country added more than 1,000 new or modernized combat planes, more than any other country over the same period.
More than 3.5 million Russians work in defense positions, which adds up to 5% of the Russian workforce being dedicated to military purposes.

This spending "strengthened Russia's position as a geopolitical actor and reinforced its leadership's claims to Russia's status of a 'great power'," Connolly said in a report on the topic published in October.

In addition, Russia is unlikely to see budget cuts in this sector, as the Russians historically have seen the military as one of their greatest assets, Connolly remarked at the CSIS panel.
"Even when their economy is not doing well, they still make sure they allocate a large proportion of output to military spending."


Maybe that's why. Surely you know that Putin wants to return to the days of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. When you talk about NATO doubling it's size, you're talking about the number of countries that have joined since NATO's inception, right? Maybe all those countries are looking for security against Russian aggression?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-05/russia-boosted-its-military-with-increased-in-house-production-and-spending

To say that the US and NATO are the agressors is bullshit.

ALL DUE RESPECT HERE...BUT WHAT A STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT.

THE US SPENDS $700 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR ON DEFENSE...OFFICIALLY...THAT DOESNT COUNT BLACK BUDGET.

WOULD THAT JUSTIFY RUSSIA SENDING TROOPS TO CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA? ADVISORS TO MEXICO.

 

[task0778]

WOULD THAT JUSTIFY RUSSIA SENDING TROOPS TO CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA? ADVISORS TO MEXICO.

Talk about a stupid argument. LOL, yeah with all due respect here.


Would that justify Russia sending troops to central and south America?

Fuck, no. You're missing a few dots here, Ukraine is right next door to all those former Warsaw Pact who are now in NATO. And we know that Putin wants to restore the old USSR and it's control over eastern Europe like int he old days, you wanna argue that? So, of course NATO is somewhat concerned, as they should be.

Which doesn't have jackshit to do with Mexico, or any other country in the Americas. For Russia to send troop to any country on this side of the Atlanta would be nothing less than a provocation to a war. They've got no business doing that, but NATO has reason to support Ukraine in opposition to Russian aggression. To say that NATO and the US are teh aggressors is absolute nonsense.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Since the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, NATO has DOUBLED in size...for what?

Terrorism in Europe?

Please provide concrete examples of the actions Russia has taken that justifies the doubling of the size of NATO?


The Us government has been engaging with, training, and providing weapons systems to Ukraine.

There are consistent flights in and out of that AOR from Papa, Hungary.

Are we there in the tens of thousands...no...but we have had steady, consistent ops with Ukrainian forces for quite a while.

What if the Russian military was equipping, training, and exercising with Mexican forces south of the border?

What if they had advisor forces in Mexico helping the Mexicans to set up missile batteries pointed at us?

So...what has Russia done that is worth doubling the size of NATO?

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