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...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
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...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
Right and wrong is all about perspective and attitude.
What's right for one person might be wrong for another.
In England and France a theory developed over a long period of time that all humans are equal. Some agree, others don't. Those who agree will think right is different to those who don't agree.
Which do you hold with?...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
Right and wrong is all about perspective and attitude.
What's right for one person might be wrong for another.
In England and France a theory developed over a long period of time that all humans are equal. Some agree, others don't. Those who agree will think right is different to those who don't agree.
So it seems there are two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
Which do you hold with?So it seems there are two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
Whether there is right and wrong is something that can be verified by direct observation. The reasoning being that different people can independently see for example that it's good to improve humankind's well-being, or that making others needlessly suffer is wrong. Sure, we all got different perspectives on details but the central theme's usually the same....two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
I've discussed this many times in these forums, let me make this simple and brief....and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
I've discussed this many times in these forums, let me make this simple and brief....and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
WE focus and gather and keep the city(YeruShalem) holy for a reason, it's to set it as a beacon, to recognize that everything we need is in that holy city's name. Like Cliff notes for the Bible and purpose of life is in the legend of how YeruShalem becomes the city of Shalom. The purpose in life is in the name, discerning right from wrong,good from evil is no longer subjective when you have that defined name.
Even the good cop bad cop story is in the name and legend of the holy city- like I said the ultimate cliff note to the book.
Shalem means stability, completeness, and wholeness.
Your purpose is to be stable and all you could and should be.
Mankinds purpose and direction is to progress to be complete and whole aka EVOLVE to be all we could and should be.
That simple!
All understanding of
right and wrong acts,
good vs evil, depend on discerning, is it towards or opposing that direction/path to becoming stable, complete and whole.
I've discussed this many times in these forums, let me make this simple and brief....and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
WE focus and gather and keep the city(YeruShalem) holy for a reason, it's to set it as a beacon, to recognize that everything we need is in that holy city's name. Like Cliff notes for the Bible and purpose of life is in the legend of how YeruShalem becomes the city of Shalom. The purpose in life is in the name, discerning right from wrong,good from evil is no longer subjective when you have that defined name.
Even the good cop bad cop story is in the name and legend of the holy city- like I said the ultimate cliff note to the book.
Shalem means stability, completeness, and wholeness.
Your purpose is to be stable and all you could and should be.
Mankinds purpose and direction is to progress to be complete and whole aka EVOLVE to be all we could and should be.
That simple!
All understanding of
right and wrong acts,
good vs evil, depend on discerning, is it towards or opposing that direction/path to becoming stable, complete and whole.
I agree with this take. Morality guides us "lifeward"; toward a more faithful expression of spirit. Our discernment has been purposefully clouded, however, and moral relativism is rampant in the absence of true understanding. And of course, an earnest desire must proceed that understanding, and this is thwarted by decoys like materialism (both economic and scientific), and misguided motivations born of fear and perceived unworthiness.
Right is what I do. Wrong is all you peeps.
I've discussed this many times in these forums, let me make this simple and brief....and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
WE focus and gather and keep the city(YeruShalem) holy for a reason, it's to set it as a beacon, to recognize that everything we need is in that holy city's name. Like Cliff notes for the Bible and purpose of life is in the legend of how YeruShalem becomes the city of Shalom. The purpose in life is in the name, discerning right from wrong,good from evil is no longer subjective when you have that defined name.
Even the good cop bad cop story is in the name and legend of the holy city- like I said the ultimate cliff note to the book.
Shalem means stability, completeness, and wholeness.
Your purpose is to be stable and all you could and should be.
Mankinds purpose and direction is to progress to be complete and whole aka EVOLVE to be all we could and should be.
That simple!
All understanding of
right and wrong acts,
good vs evil, depend on discerning, is it towards or opposing that direction/path to becoming stable, complete and whole.
I agree with this take. Morality guides us "lifeward"; toward a more faithful expression of spirit. Our discernment has been purposefully clouded, however, and moral relativism is rampant in the absence of true understanding. And of course, an earnest desire must proceed that understanding, and this is thwarted by decoys like materialism (both economic and scientific), and misguided motivations born of fear and perceived unworthiness.
Morality is simply YOUR perception of right and wrong. Some people have "good" morals and some people have "bad" morals.
Naturally, my use of "good" and "bad" is based upon my own moral code.
But there still seems to be a general sense of an universal morality. For example, most cultures believe murder and theft is wrong, etc.
My take is that we are all wired by a higher power with a moral code we basically agree with. The essential rule of thumb is to do unto others as you would have them do to you. Jesus said that this was the law of God, for if you do this you maintain a civil society. However, there are some variations, such as abortion. The question there becomes, "When does human life start" and not, "Should we be able to murder people" So the morality is not the issue, it's the realization of reality that is the issue. Granted, one may know the answer deep down but lie to themselves which is an underlying moral issue. These types of people tend to go against their conscience either knowingly, or unknowingly for perceived personal benefit. In either case, it contributes to all types of psychological issues for which the person inflicts upon themselves.
...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
Right and wrong is all about perspective and attitude.
What's right for one person might be wrong for another.
In England and France a theory developed over a long period of time that all humans are equal. Some agree, others don't. Those who agree will think right is different to those who don't agree.
So it seems there are two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
Right and wrong is all about perspective and attitude.
What's right for one person might be wrong for another.
In England and France a theory developed over a long period of time that all humans are equal. Some agree, others don't. Those who agree will think right is different to those who don't agree.
So it seems there are two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
Well, morality is kind of a loose term for what "society thinks". Sometimes this morality is entrenched in society. Children are brought up to believe this, schools teach it, churches teach this, pressure is put on them to believe.
In the modern world people are more independent, less constrained by the morality police. They have their own ideas, some people don't care about this or that.
So instead we end up with laws. Break the law, you're punished.
In the US you have lots of different groups of morality. Regional differences, social differences etc.
...and what IS morality? How does it work, what is its purpose?
Right and wrong is all about perspective and attitude.
What's right for one person might be wrong for another.
In England and France a theory developed over a long period of time that all humans are equal. Some agree, others don't. Those who agree will think right is different to those who don't agree.
So it seems there are two possibilities by this description - Morality is consistent, though understanding of it varies (like the physical laws of nature); or morality is merely another word for preference (either personal or cultural).
Well, morality is kind of a loose term for what "society thinks". Sometimes this morality is entrenched in society. Children are brought up to believe this, schools teach it, churches teach this, pressure is put on them to believe.
In the modern world people are more independent, less constrained by the morality police. They have their own ideas, some people don't care about this or that.
So instead we end up with laws. Break the law, you're punished.
In the US you have lots of different groups of morality. Regional differences, social differences etc.
Well, we can’t definitively say that morality is solely “what society thinks”, as this is a matter for some debate. Many would argue that morality is a singular set of principles; the misunderstanding of which accounts for the variation we see between societies.
The burden of proof in this matter lies with the person making the claim that such a uniform standards exists. I submit that morality is merely the cause-and-effect of human behavior - a set of natural laws - and that it can be discovered by logic, and proved by experience.
Morality concerns itself with the rights of man. Which actions will yield results consistent with a faithful expression of his nature, and the nature of others? These actions are called “rights”, or moral actions. All other actions are “rights violations”, or immoral actions.
Man’s nature is that he is inherently free, autonomous, sovereign, able to make descisions on his own; to choose certain actions of his mind and body independently of another’s aid or direction. Actions which acknowledge this aspect of himself and others will promote an evironment conducive to harmonious interaction, and greatest benefit overall.
It’s no different than acting in acknowledgement and conformity with the natural laws of physics. Nature, to be commanded, must first be obeyed.
No, morality isn't solely what society thinks. But that's a large part of it. Where does a child learn morality from?
Parents or guardians would probably be the largest part.
Teachers and other people who educated these children too.
They are all imbued with morality that came from their parents and teachers. Yes it'll be somewhat distorted as they've grown up, but still there.
I don't think morality is natural. It's gone through a long process. Different countries have different morality because the changes have taken place away from human nature.
Sex is a part of human nature. Yet some religions have said sex is bad and as such have changed morality.
For many morality is a moving ambiguous target. One day they espouse cheating on your wife is wrong as is sex with prostitutes. The next day they say it's perfectly fine. These people are not moral but they likely will be the ones that claim they are the most moral.
Funny that.
No, morality isn't solely what society thinks. But that's a large part of it. Where does a child learn morality from?
Parents or guardians would probably be the largest part.
Teachers and other people who educated these children too.
They are all imbued with morality that came from their parents and teachers. Yes it'll be somewhat distorted as they've grown up, but still there.
I don't think morality is natural. It's gone through a long process. Different countries have different morality because the changes have taken place away from human nature.
Sex is a part of human nature. Yet some religions have said sex is bad and as such have changed morality.
Ah, I see. We're using the terms a little differently. I'm defining human nature as that which is absolutely intrinsic to, and inseparable from, the individual. This wouldn't include behaviors like sex, or circumstances like culture. I'm saying that man's inherent autonomy is the foundation for morality. He is free, and to behave toward him in a way that does not duly acknowledge and respect that freedom is to deny reality, and is therefore "wrong" (incorrect, immoral). As is the case when one is wrong about any law of nature, undesirable consequences will result.
What you're calling "morality" I would call "moral understanding"; namely how closely an individual's (or society's) notions about morality conform with the actual reality. It's fundamentally a scientific understanding, and therefore is dependent upon the level of consciousness of the being, as well as their education.