Doha Talks: Hamas shoots rockets at Tel-Aviv from the Humanitarian Corridors

[ReinyDays]

The idea of replacing one terror regime with another is indeed troubling. Allowing Fatah to take over after Hamas would mean rewarding a Holocaust denier with more power- a complete betrayal of all those who were brutally murdered, during and as result of October 7th.

And let’s not forget the oil-rich Arab states, which have the resources to sustain this cycle of violence. If Hamas truly valued the lives of Palestinians, especially the children, why do they consistently use them as human shields and launch attacks from civilian areas? How does this align with the moral responsibility of any leadership, even one that claims to be fighting for their people?

Mercy and compassion, while noble, must be tempered with justice. In this case, justice means ensuring those responsible for the violence face consequences. True compassion sometimes requires us to be unyielding against those who exploit it.

I agree ... but I also applaud the State of Israel for only pushing a couple clear-cut demands ... return the hostages and elimination of Hamas ... these two are inarguable, we must never tolerate kidnapping and infanticide as weapons of war ... with this in place perhaps we can hope for an improved future ...

I would like to see criminal proceedings against the kidnappers ... everyone involved should have their right hand cut off ... just to remind everyone the consequences of profaning Allah ... we all know He Above All Else simply adores little babies ... alas, things are so corrupt within the Gaza Strip, no judicial system exists that could fairly prosecute anyone ...

What the Palestinians need now is honest government ... and it may have to be something imposed upon them for a few generations ... I don't think they can govern themselves ... look at the fertility rates ... and they will be bitter after cleaning up the mess ... left alone, again, they will descend into this madness, again ...

First things first ... the destruction of Hamas ... maybe then Palestinians will agree to be peaceful towards her neighbors ...

 

[toomuchtime_]

You raise a crucial point about negotiations - the apparently irreconcilable goals on both sides.

But what if the negotiation process itself became a pressure tactic?

The 'Courage Forum,' representing families of hostages like Kfir and Ariel Bibas, has proposed a bold strategy: for every day the hostages remain, Israel claims territory. It’s a calculated move that could force Hamas into a corner, making them choose between a humiliating loss or unconditional surrender. This isn’t about compromise but creating an unbearable reality for those who play with innocent lives.

Imagine the psychological impact of them losing ground they so desperately cling to.
Wouldn’t that shift the balance of power in Israel's favor?

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Since Hamas doesn't recognize Israeli sovereignty over Tel Aviv, I doubt they will be impressed by Israeli claims over parts of Gaza, but I am certain this is the wrong time to be thinking about new Israeli settlements in Gaza. Israel will need the IDF to spend at least another year, maybe two, destroying the vast tunnel networks under the cities in Gaza and hunting down and destroying Hamas weapons and other infrastructure while at the same time forcing Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon and preparing for direct confrontations wit Iran, not guarding Israeli hothouses in Gaza.

As the IDF continues to advance, Hamas already faces the choice of humiliating loss or unconditional surrender and leveraging the hostages is their last hope of stopping the advance, so they will not give them up for any less than an Israeli ceasefire and withdrawal - effectively an Israeli surrender - unless they lose all hope of prevailing and give up the hostages in exchange for exile.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

we get a rocket-by-rocket account of the activities there ... I was horrified, if this was happening in San Diego, Yuma, El Paso, San Antonio, New Orleans ... the US Army would be going in leveling them drug cartel positions, where ever they might be ... yeah, Israel has a right to fight back, we certainly would ...

Mexico Is Our Gaza

Our own invasions by immigration criminals and drugs call for the same violent retaliation as the only way to stop it. Our weak and treasonous foreign-loving ruling class refuses to lift a finger to save us. No wonder they advise Israel to make peace with its potential destroyers, a Jew-Replacement strategy.

Mexico's America-hating narco-controlled ruling class must be dealt with the way the Israelis are dealing with Hamas. No mas from our terrorist neighbor.

 

[rylah]

Biden: 'May no one in the Middle East do anything to harm the negotiations'​

At this point, the difference between what's going on the ground,
and what's being communicated by the White House,
it's like Biden isn't even briefed anymore.

Statement from President Joe Biden on the Middle East | The White House

Earlier today, I received an update from my negotiating team on the ground in Doha and directed them to put forward the comprehensive bridging proposal

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Power outage in Lebanon: The last operational power plant shuts down - report

South Lebanon Water Establishment said that shutting down power plants will negatively affect their ability to pump sufficient quantities of water into the area.

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[rylah]

Since Hamas doesn't recognize Israeli sovereignty over Tel Aviv, I doubt they will be impressed by Israeli claims over parts of Gaza, but I am certain this is the wrong time to be thinking about new Israeli settlements in Gaza. Israel will need the IDF to spend at least another year, maybe two, destroying the vast tunnel networks under the cities in Gaza and hunting down and destroying Hamas weapons and other infrastructure while at the same time forcing Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon and preparing for direct confrontations wit Iran, not guarding Israeli hothouses in Gaza.

As the IDF continues to advance, Hamas already faces the choice of humiliating loss or unconditional surrender and leveraging the hostages is their last hope of stopping the advance, so they will not give them up for any less than an Israeli ceasefire and withdrawal - effectively an Israeli surrender - unless they lose all hope of prevailing and give up the hostages in exchange for exile.

Thanks for your thoughtful insights.

What do You think would be the effect,
if instead of focusing on eliminating Hamas,
the declared plan was to settle Gaza and south Lebanon?

Indeed, Hamas's refusal to recognize Israeli sovereignty is a key challenge, yet it also highlights their increasingly desperate position. While the immediate focus is rightly on neutralizing the threat from Hamas and Hezbollah, the broader question remains: How can Israel ensure that the sacrifice of our soldiers leads to a lasting security, rather than a temporary reprieve? As we continue this complex operation, what strategies do you think will be most effective in both preventing Hamas from using the hostages as leverage, securing Israel’s long-term goals in relation to our Arab neighbors?

 

[Kondor3]

Time for the IDF to cook those bastards down to grease spots...

 

[toomuchtime_]

Thanks for your thoughtful insights.

What do You think would be the effect,
if instead of focusing on eliminating Hamas,
the declared plan was to settle Gaza and south Lebanon?

Indeed, Hamas's refusal to recognize Israeli sovereignty is a key challenge, yet it also highlights their increasingly desperate position. While the immediate focus is rightly on neutralizing the threat from Hamas and Hezbollah, the broader question remains: How can Israel ensure that the sacrifice of our soldiers leads to a lasting security, rather than a temporary reprieve? As we continue this complex operation, what strategies do you think will be most effective in both preventing Hamas from using the hostages as leverage, securing Israel’s long-term goals in relation to our Arab neighbors?

There are three priorities for Israel at this point: destroy Hamas' ability to attack Israel and maintain tight Israeli security control over Gaza; push Hezbollah far enough back to be able to reclaim Israel's north; prepare for a decisive war with Iran. New Israeli settlements in Gaza and southern Lebanon would strain Israel's military, financial and diplomatic resources while bringing no benefit to the Israeli people.

 

[rylah]

I agree ... but I also applaud the State of Israel for only pushing a couple clear-cut demands ... return the hostages and elimination of Hamas ... these two are inarguable, we must never tolerate kidnapping and infanticide as weapons of war ... with this in place perhaps we can hope for an improved future ...

I would like to see criminal proceedings against the kidnappers ... everyone involved should have their right hand cut off ... just to remind everyone the consequences of profaning Allah ... we all know He Above All Else simply adores little babies ... alas, things are so corrupt within the Gaza Strip, no judicial system exists that could fairly prosecute anyone ...

What the Palestinians need now is honest government ... and it may have to be something imposed upon them for a few generations ... I don't think they can govern themselves ... look at the fertility rates ... and they will be bitter after cleaning up the mess ... left alone, again, they will descend into this madness, again ...

First things first ... the destruction of Hamas ... maybe then Palestinians will agree to be peaceful towards her neighbors ...

I appreciate your recognition of the need to speak the language of the enemy when dealing with an adversary like Hamas. In the harsh reality of war, where death is often glorified as a reward, the concept of punishment loses its traditional meaning. To truly defeat an enemy like Hamas, we must redefine what it means for them to be defeated. Upholding our morals does not preclude us from taking necessary and memorable actions that will serve as a lasting deterrent for future generations.

When ordered, there're special protocols in place for figures like Sinwar, that highlight
the need for the language of fear to be spoken fluently to achieve lasting peace.
What Hamas did to our children, women and elderly we cannot do, but from
my understanding certain urban legends are not without basis.

The question then arises: How do we balance our values while ensuring that those who
commit atrocities are made an unforgettable example, do we communicate to the
enemy on their level, or fight wars adhering to our values of peace?

 

[rylah]

Your analysis of Israel’s priorities is both pragmatic and insightful. Destroying Hamas, securing the north, and preparing for a decisive confrontation with Iran are indeed critical. However, regarding settlements, I believe it's not a matter of if but when. The establishment of new cities following the war could serve as a powerful symbol of Israel's resilience and sovereignty. Announcing such plans could have set a different tone from the start, indicating that Israel's presence will not just persist but thrive.

Wouldn’t building new cities and communities - after the war - align with the broader goals of ensuring long-term security and stability?


Spoiler, this didn't kick off:

Privatize: Israel Contacted US Security Company to Monitor the Netzarim Corridor

Mordechai (Moti) Kahana, 56, is most notable for his work involving refugees during the Syrian Civil War.

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[rylah]

Hamas footage of planting explosives along the Netzarim Humanitarian Corridor

IDF announces daily pause in fighting along key south Gaza road to increase aid flow

Military stresses operations against Hamas in Rafah continue despite 11-hour pause each day on route leading from Kerem Shalom to Khan Younis

www.timesofisrael.com

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[P F Tinmore]

Gaza ceasefire negotiations 'doomed to fail', experts says • FRANCE 24 English​

 

[rylah]

2 hours ago, one injured, the suspect driver is dead,
at this point impossible to recognize, remains
appear similar to a suicide bomber.

Police confirms Tel Aviv explosion was failed terror attack

The police and Shin Bet further added that the alertness levels had been raised throughout Gush Dan, and searches were being carried out in the area.

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[ReinyDays]

I appreciate your recognition of the need to speak the language of the enemy when dealing with an adversary like Hamas. In the harsh reality of war, where death is often glorified as a reward, the concept of punishment loses its traditional meaning. To truly defeat an enemy like Hamas, we must redefine what it means for them to be defeated. Upholding our morals does not preclude us from taking necessary and memorable actions that will serve as a lasting deterrent for future generations.

When ordered, there're special protocols in place for figures like Sinwar, that highlight
the need for the language of fear to be spoken fluently to achieve lasting peace.
What Hamas did to our children, women and elderly we cannot do, but from
my understanding certain urban legends are not without basis.

The question then arises: How do we balance our values while ensuring that those who
commit atrocities are made an unforgettable example, do we communicate to the
enemy on their level, or fight wars adhering to our values of peace?

Strange question ... our values allow punishing crime ... even crimes committed in the context of war ... Israel framed this conflict as a rescue mission ... and destruction of the Hamas government that sponsored the Oct 7th kidnapping and infanticide ... Israel has the moral high ground here ...

Will the Islamic World provide and peaceful and responsible government as a replacement? ... or do we let the butchers take over again? ... and they will, everyplace there's no government, butchers and murderers will move in ... Jews can't do this, it has to be Muslims ...

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Oury Cherki Explores the Morality of War​

in a Modern Context​

Join Rabbi Oury Cherki as he delves into the complex and often controversial topic of the morality of war. In this thought-provoking interview on Channel 14, Rabbi Cherki provides a deep analysis of the ethical considerations surrounding war from a Torah perspective. He explores the fine line between justice and violence, the responsibilities of nations in conflict, and how Jewish law and ethics apply to modern warfare. This lesson is essential for anyone interested in understanding the moral challenges of war through the lens of Jewish wisdom.

Whether you're a student of Jewish thought, a religious scholar, or someone grappling with the ethical implications of war in today's world, this video offers valuable insights and reflections.

(QUESTION)

What do you think is the most challenging ethical dilemma in modern warfare? How do you believe Jewish teachings can guide us in these complex situations?

Share your thoughts in the comments below and let’s discuss how ancient wisdom can shed light on today’s moral challenges.

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[rylah]

The Arab Mind/The Western Mind

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Qatar Prime Minister to attend Gaza ceasefire talks in Cairo, source says - report

Qatar's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani is expected to attend Gaz

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