there were plenty of Jews who had a different vision of Zionism from the current political version and they helped rebuild Israel as well. Zionism is many different things -- one should specify which type of Zionism one wants to discuss.
It is comforting to know that you can be predicted to put out the same untruths and mistakes over and over. This gives me multiple opportunities to present actual fact and history for the education of other people reading this thread.
Except...they really aren't. America isn't a Christian Nation, it's an American one. Germany isn't a Lutheran Nation, it's a German one. Japan isn't a Shinto Nation, it's a Japanese one.
Funny how I didn't mention those nations. I could mention England, which is a Christian country with a state church and everything. And, of course Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
Because they felt it should be the expression of scholarship, poetry and prayer (and particular conversations, especially between Jews from different areas -- Hebrew was a common tongue). And since it was in daily use, it was never dead.
And only some Jews spoke it. Some spoke Ladino, some spoke Aramaic. Some spoke other languages (Rashi wrote in Hebrew but often mentioned French words). That's because the Jews acclimated and added the language of where they lived to their list of languages to use. In Israel, there is no need to combine Hebrew with anything else.
Way to shift the goal posts! It seems you have forgotten what your claim was. See, you said " it would seen for what it was, another example of European Colonialism." and I pointed out that many Jews were not colonial as they never left, and many came from other places than Europe. You then turned it into a question of numbers at an arbitrary date. That is you running away from the fact that I presented which showed your claim to be wrong.
More shifting the goal posts, You made a claim about Zionism and I made reference to an historical event which undermines your claim. Instead of dealing with that, you just say "see above" which takes a reader back to your claim of numbers, which isn't what you started with.
Mostly, because their religion tells them to. Christians were driven often by the need to get revenge for the death of Jesus and Islam declared itself against Jews when the Jews rejected Muhammed. Do you think Martin Luther railed against Jews because of Israel? You clearly don't know history.
Who beats who up? Over 2 million Arabs live in Israel. Arabs from Gaza were, daily, coming in to Israel for jobs and for medical treatment until October 7. But who is to blame? You say it is the victim, Israel. Just more foolishness from you.
Good thing that isn't what happened. Land was sold, land was given by one ruling power to another. Land was lost in war and gained by the victor. All sorts of stuff happened, just not what you like to whine about.
Yawn, the problem is you are like the kind of people who scream "Racist" whenever there's a valid criticism of something. That's why I don't take anyone who calls me an anti-Semite to be a bit silly, especially when your conflict is with other Semites.
More stupidity from you. Not only didn't I say any of those things that you say come from the "kind of people" like me, but you still don't understand the word anti-Semitism. You're kind of pathetic, TBH.
So, if we talk from your assertions. The Founding Fathers warned us about foreign entanglements. Israel is on your radar. We have had many wars and are paying for another one in Ukraine. Many Progs on this forum are Pro War in Ukraine. Your party is in transition to becoming anti-Israel. Pro or con that is huge.
Zionism is logical because it is simply an expression of the wish for national autonomy for people. How is it NOT logical? Are all similar belief systems illogical lalso?
Being at war with your neighbors is bad, but when they refuse to acknowledge that you have a right to live, that's what happens. Unless people take your advice and run away and let themselves be chased around the world and persecuted if they decide to live someplace. Jews tried that. It didn't work.
And if you understood the origin and meaning of the word "anti-Semitism"you would understand why your comment is ridiculous.
It is comforting to know that you can be predicted to put out the same untruths and mistakes over and over. This gives me multiple opportunities to present actual fact and history for the education of other people reading this thread.
Mostly, because their religion tells them to. Christians were driven often by the need to get revenge for the death of Jesus and Islam declared itself against Jews when the Jews rejected Muhammed. Do you think Martin Luther railed against Jews because of Israel? You clearly don't know history.
No, he railed against them because they wouldn't all join his new Church. You see, he thought that once he reformed all the Catholic Corruption away, Jews would happily sign up for his version. A bit naive, to be sure... but what can you expect from people who are doing the "Will" of an imaginary sky fairy.
Good thing that isn't what happened. Land was sold, land was given by one ruling power to another. Land was lost in war and gained by the victor. All sorts of stuff happened, just not what you like to whine about.
I'm always amazed by the Zionist ability to piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. Yes, all sorts of stuff happened, but at the end of the day, the Palestinians were cheated out of their land.
No, he railed against them because they wouldn't all join his new Church. You see, he thought that once he reformed all the Catholic Corruption away, Jews would happily sign up for his version. A bit naive, to be sure... but what can you expect from people who are doing the "Will" of an imaginary sky fairy.
So then you have an answer to your own question! And that answer undermines your other claims. I know you are probably having trouble keeping track of all this but, don't worry, you just shot yourself in the foot.
I'm always amazed by the Zionist ability to piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. Yes, all sorts of stuff happened, but at the end of the day, the Palestinians were cheated out of their land.
Zionism is logical because it is simply an expression of the wish for national autonomy for people. How is it NOT logical? Are all similar belief systems illogical lalso?
This is after Israel has already acknowledged that those neighbors have no right to liveon their own land, so no surprise at all that sooner or later there'll be trouble.
Unless people take your advice and run away and let themselves be chased around the world and persecuted if they decide to live someplace. Jews tried that. It didn't work.
Judge a tree by it's fruit not it's flowers, the fruit of Zionism stinks and is inedible to all but extremist Jewish nationalists.
This is after Israel has already acknowledged that those neighbors have no right to liveon their own land, so no surprise at all that sooner or later there'll be trouble.
Maybe Israel/Judah's neighbors three thousand years ago had the same trouble that we have today from Zionism and so sent the bastards packing?
Yes, lovely fruit, when you learn how to read you'll discovers it was developed during the Ottoman rule of Palestine, no Zionist serpents existed at that time (they all came from Europe later) that's why it such a nice fruit.
The Jaffa orange was a new variety developed by Arab farmers after emerging in the mid-19th century as a mutation on a tree of the 'Baladi' variety near the city of Jaffa.[1][2] While the sour orange (C. aurantium) was brought westward from China and India by local traders, who may have introduced it to Sicily and Spain, the Jaffa orange was developed from the sweet orange (C. sinensis) which was brought from China to the Mediterranean region by Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama in 1498.[2]
Yes, lovely fruit, when you learn how to read you'll discovers it was developed during the Ottoman rule of Palestine, no Zionist serpents existed at that time (they all came from Europe later) that's why it such a nice fruit.
This is after Israel has already acknowledged that those neighbors have no right to liveon their own land, so no surprise at all that sooner or later there'll be trouble.
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However much Hezbollah and Hamas want the Jews out is pretty much how much the Israeli gov't wants the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. Neither side wants peace.
However much Hezbollah and Hamas want the Jews out is pretty much how much the Israeli gov't wants the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. Neither side wants peace.
The Zionists want to expel all Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank or kill or imprison those that resist.
They're almost done with Gaza, the place is more or less unlivable, so they are preparing to reoccupy the Northern part of Gaza, just watch, anyone who follows Israeli machinations can see what's happening.
They tell the world and the gullible nodding donkeys who believe Zionist lies, that this is a fight against terrorism, fanatical Islam, only a moron or racist accepts that though, its all a play act, they always play act.
The Zionists want to expel all Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank or kill or imprison those that resist.
They're almost done with Gaza, the place is more or less unlivable, so they are preparing to reoccupy the Northern part of Gaza, just watch, anyone who follows Israeli machinations can see what's happening.
They tell the world and the gullible nodding donkeys who believe Zionist lies, that this is a fight against terrorism, fanatical Islam, only a moron or racist accepts that though, its all a play act, they always play act.
I was just reading today how the Israeli, right-wing radicals essentially took over the Netanyahu government. One anecdote I heard recently was that the head of the Israeli security force in the West Bank issued an order that no security forces would respond to Palestinian calls for help if Jewish settlers were involved.
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