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What's fundamentally wrong with America?
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What's fundamentally wrong with America?
We allowed statists to throw out the Constitution.
Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, Washington, Adams, Chief Justice Marshall...and many more could not agree on things, yet somehow you think you know exactly what they didn't and struggled with?
right wingers still don't get it
they will use a post totally out of context and take it off topic
Well?
Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.
So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.
Scumbags (politicians) being able to vote themselves pay raises all while giving America and the Constitution the middle finger. Both parties are equally guilty of this.
What should be done is every presidential election is allow Americans to be given 3 choices on the elected politicians pay:
1. Increase in pay
2. Stay the at current pay
3. Decrease in pay
If if #3 wins, congress all the way up to the prez take a $25,000 per year pay cut.
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What's fundamentally wrong with America?
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with America.
It's politics. When things are good you want more of the same and when things are bad you want hope and change.
The most disturbing trend I see is the steady transition from a liberal democracy, rooted in the concepts of individual rights and equal protection, toward corporatist power brokering - where everybody gets a different deal depending on what class you belong to, or - what connections you have with government insiders.
auditor0007
Gold Member
Well?
Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.
So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.
The stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy. Now people are proud they dont have to work.
The problem with America is that people actually believe your stupid statement. Do you have any clue how many people on public assistance would love to be off of it? You idiots see a few stupid people who really are too dumb to work making stupid statements about Obamaphones, and you think everyone receiving assistance is just like them. That is how dumb you people have become. And it's pissing off those of us who know better and have a realistic view of this country.
MikeK
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1) Inequitably distributed wealth resources. The Nation is being overtaken by a rising plutocracy.
2) A situation equivalent to the Divine Right of Kings has evolved in which those of high political or social (wealth) status are immune to punishment under the law. This began when Ford pardoned Nixon and has become such a standard practice it's expected and hardly noticed. This accounts for most of our economic problems and is the reason why the People no longer control the Congress.
Until those two problems are addressed it is a waste of time to consider any other approaches to solving the Nation's problems. Because all of its problems can be traced to the corrupted Congress and the influence of money on every aspect of our government.
Nothing short of a powerful, unified political revolution is going to save America from ruin.
2) A situation equivalent to the Divine Right of Kings has evolved in which those of high political or social (wealth) status are immune to punishment under the law. This began when Ford pardoned Nixon and has become such a standard practice it's expected and hardly noticed. This accounts for most of our economic problems and is the reason why the People no longer control the Congress.
Until those two problems are addressed it is a waste of time to consider any other approaches to solving the Nation's problems. Because all of its problems can be traced to the corrupted Congress and the influence of money on every aspect of our government.
Nothing short of a powerful, unified political revolution is going to save America from ruin.
auditor0007
Gold Member
Obama and his Left.
obama is not fundamental to America. He wants to change them, but he is not one.
The 2 party system has become fundamental, and has brought ruin.
Yes they are, they are calling the shots.
The best we can do is keep everything split until 2016.
The train is a comin' and you guys are blind to the light ahead. That train is going to run you over by 2016.
auditor0007
Gold Member
What's fundamentally wrong with America?
Conservative reactionaryism, rightists fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.
And their futile efforts to drag America back to an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with is detrimental to the Nation as a whole.
Couldn't have said it better, especially the part about an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with. Hit the nail on the head. When Bob Dole says that Reagan wouldn't have a chance in today's Republican Party, that should tell these people something, but they laugh it off, mainly because they are living in a fantasy world filled with their own illusions.
auditor0007
Gold Member
and thats the problem their is no more madisons, jefferson, hamiltons and the rest. We are stuck with plelosi, reids, franks,obamas and the likes of boehner..... frickin idiots.
is English your second language?
again another jack ass who thinks spelling matters.... so can you debate me or just masterbate?
Since we are on the subject;
1. masterbation
A common mispelling of "masturbation" used by retarded twelve year olds who are neglected by their parents and listen to Linkin' Park.
"Masterbating" is for pre-pubescent morons who don't know what "masturbation" is.
Urban Dictionary: masterbation
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I think our founders had it right. A government run by the people. Unalienable rights. Freedom and liberty.
I recall Obama, as an Ill senator, in a radio interview saying the problem with the constitution is that it gives more rights to people than government. He felt then, and clearly feels now, that he is constrained by our founding document. It was meant to keep government in check and I realize that some who feel that they are better suited to run our lives than we are would find fault with a constitution that ties their hands when it comes to our rights.
What went wrong with the country was not our constitution, but rather getting away from it. Wilson made a huge mistake when he went against the constitution and signed a bill, written by the banks, that gave them control over our currency. The creation of the Federal Reserve Banks was when we started going astray. We are in debt forever to the reserve banks.
Income taxes being made permanent by the same administration was another huge mistake. It was promised that no one would ever be taxed over 7% of their income. Of course, that was a huge lie. Taxes have continued to go up and people live in fear of the IRS. People should never fear government in any way. They keep taking more and more in taxes and creating new taxes every time we turn around. Everything is taxed. They will even tax rain. They claim Obamacare is a tax. And for all the taxes we've paid, nothing gets better. The more they take, the more corrupt they become and the more problems we have. Government is irresponsible with other peoples' money. They never have anything to show for it except unsustainable programs that requires them to steal even more money from us.
We had roads, railroads, hospitals, schools, colleges and many other things that created the infrastructure. It was not government that did it.
Then we had the great society, which began the creation of a permanent class of people who would forever be government dependents. We have 5th and 6th generations of welfare recipients now. Over the years, liberals have been more worried about removing the stigma of welfare than actually encouraging people to lift themselves out of poverty. Liberals know that their power comes from keeping people dependent on them.
Social security was another bad idea that began with false promises. It was supposed to be voluntary and people would only pay a small percent of their paycheck. When people began receiving their checks at retirement, it wasn't supposed to be taxed. All the money paid in was supposed to be kept in a special account and kept safe. All the promises were broken until the security promised people is now another worry because it's unsustainable.
What needs to be changed are the things done that got us away from the founders' vision. The country has already been fundamentally changed over a hundred years ago and we need to undo the damage by eliminating the Federal Reserve. That is the biggest change we need to make. They are the real 1% that are screwing the rest of us.
We need to streamline all the social programs and encourage people to get off them instead of encouraging more to move onto the liberal plantation. Taxes should not be high for anyone. We need a simple tax code. When it comes to capitalism, keep it, just make fair laws and enforce them.
Right now, the government has made way too many bullshit laws. We can't catch rain water in containers and other ridiculous laws that could land us in big trouble.
If Obama wants to go down in history as the greatest president ever, he simply needs to dust the constitution off and get back to basics. Abolish the Federal Reserve, reform social programs, repeal Obamacare and repeal at least half the laws on the books, as well as some unfair taxes. He is going in the opposite direction and capitalism is under attack. The middle class is shrinking and the welfare state is growing. We're heading toward socialism and we'll join other countries who were bought down because of it. Socialism and Communism are unsustainable and it's foolish to even go down that road.
I recall Obama, as an Ill senator, in a radio interview saying the problem with the constitution is that it gives more rights to people than government. He felt then, and clearly feels now, that he is constrained by our founding document. It was meant to keep government in check and I realize that some who feel that they are better suited to run our lives than we are would find fault with a constitution that ties their hands when it comes to our rights.
What went wrong with the country was not our constitution, but rather getting away from it. Wilson made a huge mistake when he went against the constitution and signed a bill, written by the banks, that gave them control over our currency. The creation of the Federal Reserve Banks was when we started going astray. We are in debt forever to the reserve banks.
Income taxes being made permanent by the same administration was another huge mistake. It was promised that no one would ever be taxed over 7% of their income. Of course, that was a huge lie. Taxes have continued to go up and people live in fear of the IRS. People should never fear government in any way. They keep taking more and more in taxes and creating new taxes every time we turn around. Everything is taxed. They will even tax rain. They claim Obamacare is a tax. And for all the taxes we've paid, nothing gets better. The more they take, the more corrupt they become and the more problems we have. Government is irresponsible with other peoples' money. They never have anything to show for it except unsustainable programs that requires them to steal even more money from us.
We had roads, railroads, hospitals, schools, colleges and many other things that created the infrastructure. It was not government that did it.
Then we had the great society, which began the creation of a permanent class of people who would forever be government dependents. We have 5th and 6th generations of welfare recipients now. Over the years, liberals have been more worried about removing the stigma of welfare than actually encouraging people to lift themselves out of poverty. Liberals know that their power comes from keeping people dependent on them.
Social security was another bad idea that began with false promises. It was supposed to be voluntary and people would only pay a small percent of their paycheck. When people began receiving their checks at retirement, it wasn't supposed to be taxed. All the money paid in was supposed to be kept in a special account and kept safe. All the promises were broken until the security promised people is now another worry because it's unsustainable.
What needs to be changed are the things done that got us away from the founders' vision. The country has already been fundamentally changed over a hundred years ago and we need to undo the damage by eliminating the Federal Reserve. That is the biggest change we need to make. They are the real 1% that are screwing the rest of us.
We need to streamline all the social programs and encourage people to get off them instead of encouraging more to move onto the liberal plantation. Taxes should not be high for anyone. We need a simple tax code. When it comes to capitalism, keep it, just make fair laws and enforce them.
Right now, the government has made way too many bullshit laws. We can't catch rain water in containers and other ridiculous laws that could land us in big trouble.
If Obama wants to go down in history as the greatest president ever, he simply needs to dust the constitution off and get back to basics. Abolish the Federal Reserve, reform social programs, repeal Obamacare and repeal at least half the laws on the books, as well as some unfair taxes. He is going in the opposite direction and capitalism is under attack. The middle class is shrinking and the welfare state is growing. We're heading toward socialism and we'll join other countries who were bought down because of it. Socialism and Communism are unsustainable and it's foolish to even go down that road.
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Saigon
Gold Member
I think the problem in America is that politics have bled into every field of endeavour.
In other countries, the debate about science is not particularly political - which is why we see oil companies and conservative politicians accepting AGW exists and moving forwards with solutions.
Likewise with healthcare, gun control and gay marriage; in many countries it bas been possible for politcians to see which way the wind is blowing and work together for the good of the country.
Hence, the gay marriage legislation in the UK and NZ was proposed by conservatives.
I think both US parties need to urgently de-politicise their approach to issues that do not benefit from political spin.
I'd really like to see the GOP table a plan for gun control that both defended the Second Amendement and the civil rights of others in a bid to reduce the murder rate.
Currently, that is impossible.
In other countries, the debate about science is not particularly political - which is why we see oil companies and conservative politicians accepting AGW exists and moving forwards with solutions.
Likewise with healthcare, gun control and gay marriage; in many countries it bas been possible for politcians to see which way the wind is blowing and work together for the good of the country.
Hence, the gay marriage legislation in the UK and NZ was proposed by conservatives.
I think both US parties need to urgently de-politicise their approach to issues that do not benefit from political spin.
I'd really like to see the GOP table a plan for gun control that both defended the Second Amendement and the civil rights of others in a bid to reduce the murder rate.
Currently, that is impossible.
Two Thumbs
Platinum Member
- Thread starter
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There's nothing fundamental about it.context: 2008 what was wrong? seriously?
and please, link to a quote. one MUST be out there
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4]Obama: "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" Long Version - YouTube[/ame]
for those that have been in a coma
so the context was on the widening wealth gap? you deny it needed and still needs changing?
a person or people getting richer, doesn't make me poorer
Two Thumbs
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- Thread starter
- #54
What's fundamentally wrong with America?
Conservative reactionaryism, rightists fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.
And their futile efforts to drag America back to an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with is detrimental to the Nation as a whole.
how is that fundamental to the country?
just complaining about a group of people doesn't answer my questions
Two Thumbs
Platinum Member
- Thread starter
- #55
What's fundamentally wrong with America?
We allowed statists to throw out the Constitution.
we elected people that voted out our rights then re-elected them.
truer words and all that
Well?
Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.
So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.
People from both sides if the political world hate each other.
ScienceRocks
Democrat all the way!
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What's wrong with America?
1. We have to extreme parties...A. The republicans want to go over to pure capitalism and don't want to invest into the country in order to compete. B. The democrats want to destroy the private sector that is very important and rely on the central planning of the government. Both are idiocy!!!
2. Our moral core has rotten and turn to shit since integration. 72% of black men don't give a shit about their children so their children go on to be thugs within our inner-cities. Trayvon is a good case study of this shit as he lived his life beating people up and being a thug, but his community will always come to his defense. Idiots! This means that the businesses run away or go over sea's!!! This goes for a lot of whites too.
3. We can't compete with the rest of the world as our business taxes(and taxes in general) are quite high. Good luck competing on a global field with this.
4. Our government spends on idiocy like bail outs and wars. Should of spent more into infrastructure and science. This goes back to 1. quite a bit as the right in this country wants many private businesses to run even the police department. 2. The left wants to go to a centralized planning system that is as much a pile of shit as the first.
We need a moderate that is in favor of business and science to be elected in 2016.
1. We have to extreme parties...A. The republicans want to go over to pure capitalism and don't want to invest into the country in order to compete. B. The democrats want to destroy the private sector that is very important and rely on the central planning of the government. Both are idiocy!!!
2. Our moral core has rotten and turn to shit since integration. 72% of black men don't give a shit about their children so their children go on to be thugs within our inner-cities. Trayvon is a good case study of this shit as he lived his life beating people up and being a thug, but his community will always come to his defense. Idiots! This means that the businesses run away or go over sea's!!! This goes for a lot of whites too.
3. We can't compete with the rest of the world as our business taxes(and taxes in general) are quite high. Good luck competing on a global field with this.
4. Our government spends on idiocy like bail outs and wars. Should of spent more into infrastructure and science. This goes back to 1. quite a bit as the right in this country wants many private businesses to run even the police department. 2. The left wants to go to a centralized planning system that is as much a pile of shit as the first.
We need a moderate that is in favor of business and science to be elected in 2016.
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Two Thumbs
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What's fundamentally wrong with America? A broken educational system. You know what? I'm going to throw Oprah Winfry on the list too just because I'm feeling ornery.
No longer taught to be proud and teachers get punished for teaching rights.
yea, I can see that
Two Thumbs
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In a word: liberals
Their ideology built strictly on feelings and with disregard for all facts and information.
Liberals are a cancer that is destroying America. We need to find a cure for the cancer.
partisan hackery
see my response to a lib crying about cons
Obama and his Left.
obama is not fundamental to America. He wants to change them, but he is not one.
The 2 party system has become fundamental, and has brought ruin.
Yes they are, they are calling the shots.
The best we can do is keep everything split until 2016.
Where do you think you are going to get more voters in 2016 when your side keeps being so ridiculous. Your party consists of a dying breed.
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