What's An Acceptable Number Of Innocent People Being Executed?

[DaGoose]

Just wondered what an acceptable number would be for "executing innocent people by mistake" before reviewing the death penalty? What brings this up is the proud record of Texas.

From what I've seen there have been 12 people released from Death Row in Texas. There has also been 755 executed. Now ASSUMING that EVERY ONE of the executed were, in fact, guilty as charged (highly unlikely) that would bring the average to about 1.6% faulty conviction rate.

So what say you? Is more than 1 out of 100 "mistakes" an acceptable number? Would that be considered "collateral damage"?

State by State Database | Death Penalty Information Center

DA who convicted man freed from death row:

NCADP Affiliate: Texas Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

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[Unkotare]

What's an acceptable number of people wrongly incarcerated for rape? Do you want to stop incarcerating rapists?

 

[QUENTIN]

Zero.

Incarcerating an innocent person is a wrong that can be righted. No, you can't give someone back their years spent in jail if they win on appeal, but their name can be cleared and they can be given a second chance at life.

Killing an innocent person is a wrong with no means of recourse, it cannot be undone.

So long as the justice system is imperfect (that is, run by humans) and even moreso when it is systematically biased and at the mercy of politicians, no death penalty can be in place without murdering innocent people which is an offense against justice, morality, and society so great that it should definitively end the practice forever.

 

[USArmyRetired]

As many as possible who commit intentional premeditated murder. I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.

 

[QUENTIN]

I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.
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LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

But I'm sure you're NOT racist.

 

[QUENTIN]

Beyond the moral implications and the certainty that the innocent will be methodically executed in an imperfect system, there is no practical benefit to it either. So it's not as though the innocent, wrongly convicted people killed by the state are outweighed by the innocent potential victims of the guilty saved by its use. Many like it because it appeals to their base, emotionally driven instincts for vengeance (which is not the same as justice), but it has proven to not be an effective deterrent against crimes and it costs exponentially more to implement than a sentence of life imprisonment. So it's impractical and foolish on top of being so dangerous and destructive.

 

[Lakhota]

As many as possible who commit intentional premeditated murder. I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.

Aw yes, bring back the good ole days...

 

[Lakhota]

As many as possible who commit intentional premeditated murder. I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.

Damn, the latest story about Palin and the black basketball dude really has you upset.

 

[Article 15]

LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

But I'm sure you're NOT racist.

You must forgive him, he just recently learned the object of his affection once took on a big black cock....when she wasn't married.

 

[bripat9643]

Just wondered what an acceptable number would be for "executing innocent people by mistake" before reviewing the death penalty? What brings this up is the proud record of Texas.

From what I've seen there have been 12 people released from Death Row in Texas. There has also been 755 executed. Now ASSUMING that EVERY ONE of the executed were, in fact, guilty as charged (highly unlikely) that would bring the average to about 1.6% faulty conviction rate.

So what say you? Is more than 1 out of 100 "mistakes" an acceptable number? Would that be considered "collateral damage"?

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

 

[Unkotare]

No, you can't give someone back their years spent in jail.

No you can't. You cannot undo anything once it's done. So, unless all actions are illegitimate the possibility of error is not a reasonable disqualification for a given action. People may be oppossed to the death penalty for many reasons, but "what if there's a mistake?" is not a reasonable one.

 

[DaGoose]

Just wondered what an acceptable number would be for "executing innocent people by mistake" before reviewing the death penalty? What brings this up is the proud record of Texas.

From what I've seen there have been 12 people released from Death Row in Texas. There has also been 755 executed. Now ASSUMING that EVERY ONE of the executed were, in fact, guilty as charged (highly unlikely) that would bring the average to about 1.6% faulty conviction rate.

So what say you? Is more than 1 out of 100 "mistakes" an acceptable number? Would that be considered "collateral damage"?

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

Maybe it is a wrong assumption. But you can still answer the question, can't you? Or do you think no mistakes were or are ever made?

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[DaGoose]

No, you can't give someone back their years spent in jail.

No you can't. You cannot undo anything once it's done. So, unless all actions are illegitimate the possibility of error is not a reasonable disqualification for a given action. People may be oppossed to the death penalty for many reasons, but "what if there's a mistake?" is not a reasonable one.

I disagree. Any mistake can be rectified with the exception of death. Therefore it is not an unreasonable basis for opposition.

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[USArmyRetired]

I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.
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LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

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Nope. Just stating that if we had public hangings which is what used to be done, it would send a message to blacks to think twice about what they are contend to do if it is committing murder. Back in the so called good ole days as you put it, blacks didn't commit as many murders against whites as they do today which is rampant across the nation. They new their place back then.

The last public hanging was carried out in Owensboro, Kentucky, in 1936, Look at the spectators.

 

[USArmyRetired]

LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

But I'm sure you're NOT racist.

You must forgive him, he just recently learned the object of his affection once took on a big black cock....when she wasn't married.

The story is untrue and the liberal New York Times took up for Palin and slammed McGinniss yesterday for his wrongful allegations against her and trashed his book.

 

[DaGoose]

I still prefer the bringing back of public hangings. I think it would send a psychological warning to blacks who are thinking about murdering whites since lately we are seeing massive black on white crimes.
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LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

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Nope. Just stating that if we had public hangings which is what used to be done, it would send a message to blacks to think twice about what they are contend to do if it is committing murder. Back in the so called good ole days as you put it, blacks didn't commit as many murders as they do today which is rampant across the nation.

Why in the HELL do you have to try and make this a "black" thing? Go spread your garbage somewhere else and not in my thread.

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[USArmyRetired]

LOL, you just advocated lynchings.

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Nope. Just stating that if we had public hangings which is what used to be done, it would send a message to blacks to think twice about what they are contend to do if it is committing murder. Back in the so called good ole days as you put it, blacks didn't commit as many murders as they do today which is rampant across the nation.

Why in the HELL do you have to try and make this a "black" thing? Go spread your garbage somewhere else and not in my thread.

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Because blacks are committing massive crimes across the US. I guess you haven't heard of the black flash mobs attacking whites (at state fairs, restaurants, in the streets) lately that are popping up all over in our cities. Wake up. Blacks murdering whites are a cancer on our society and you can add hispanics to that too.

 

[QUENTIN]

USArmyRetired,

How do you feel about the fact that in the times you're referring to, when lynchings and public hangings were common, whites were committing massive crimes against blacks and white people murdered tens of thousands of innocent black people?

Or do you only care about murder when white people are the victims rather than the perpetrators?

Also, this is totally off-topic here. If we're going to discuss race, it makes sense in the context of the disparity between how many black convicts get the death penalty compared to how many white convicts get it for the exact same crimes - but the rest of this conversation is a non-sequitir in the thread and your first (and subsequent) posts refuse to address the topic and question: what's an acceptable number of innocent people being executed by the state carrying out a death sentence?

 

[OODA_Loop]

I guess 1 nugget floating around is acceptable if the other 99 turds get flushed.

 

[theliq]

ONE MISTAKE IS TOO MANY,in the CIVILISED WESTERN WORLD,there is no death penalty.

Get rid of your GUNS and Americans will become mentally healthier.


AMERICA IS UNCIVILISED in this regard.....more like Afghanistan and others.

Just wondered what an acceptable number would be for "executing innocent people by mistake" before reviewing the death penalty? What brings this up is the proud record of Texas.

From what I've seen there have been 12 people released from Death Row in Texas. There has also been 755 executed. Now ASSUMING that EVERY ONE of the executed were, in fact, guilty as charged (highly unlikely) that would bring the average to about 1.6% faulty conviction rate.

So what say you? Is more than 1 out of 100 "mistakes" an acceptable number? Would that be considered "collateral damage"?

State by State Database | Death Penalty Information Center

DA who convicted man freed from death row:

NCADP Affiliate: Texas Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

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