What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

[hadit]

Stuffing burgers into bags IS a Mickey Mouse job
Stocking shelves IS a Mickey Mouse job
there are countless more

it is about equal protection of the law.

That has nothing to do with MW.

People who make MW get the same protection under the law as everyone else

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

So why make businesses be welfare agencies?

don't know what you mean. it is your straw man argument. why don't You explain it?

I already have, you just didn't like the explanation.

 

[danielpalos]

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

what?????it depends totally on what social services , what age, and what circumstances. totally worthless generalization.

average, dear.

most social services goe to old sick folk so why would an average cost matter at all when thread is about working age, able bodied? Think before you post

because, not everyone wants to make like John Henry simply to help the rich get richer faster.

 

[danielpalos]

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

wrong of course since under capitalism supply of jobs equals demand for jobs. Ever heard of supply and demand?

i have heard of capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, that simply favors the bottom line of capitalists, not labor.

and, the Only reason there are unfilled positions, is because those jobs don't pay enough under our form of demand and supply we call Capitalism.

 

[Skull Pilot]

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

what?????it depends totally on what social services , what age, and what circumstances. totally worthless generalization.

average, dear.

most social services goe to old sick folk so why would an average cost matter at all when thread is about working age, able bodied? Think before you post

because, not everyone wants to make like John Henry simply to help the rich get richer faster.

Hey if you don't want to work for someone else then don't
Work for yourself and stop fucking whining

 

[danielpalos]

Its trickle up poor and you dont have a clue about economics..thats a fact, you dont know shit about profit margins, you dont have a clue that over 80% of bussiness are small..


Your so fucking dumb on economics that you dont even know how stupid you really are.


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so what; Henry Ford doubled wages and did not whine about regulations or taxes; only corporate welfare addicts, do that.

Ford was making enough money that he could afford to do that. Most companies do not have that luxury.

And it was cheaper than training new workers.
Libs think he did it to be fair, he did it to make more money!!!

why can't modern capitalists do it now?

It took more training to build cars than it does to make fries.

doesn't make sense. training still costs as does turnover.

 

[danielpalos]

it is about equal protection of the law.

That has nothing to do with MW.

People who make MW get the same protection under the law as everyone else

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

So what?

That's a nonissue and irrelevant to equal protection under the law

You have no right to a job or an income.
In fact you have no right to police protection or welfare

it is the reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage. equal protection of the law should apply, to unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Well it doesn't and it never will.
UI is meant for people who are forced out of employment against their will, or who were fired for insufficient cause not for lazy fucks who choose not to work

haven't actually read the law? it is about employment, at-will.

 

[dblack]

Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

People unable to perform labor that is worth at least the new minimum wage won't be allowed to work.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That has nothing to do with MW.

People who make MW get the same protection under the law as everyone else

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

So what?

That's a nonissue and irrelevant to equal protection under the law

You have no right to a job or an income.
In fact you have no right to police protection or welfare

it is the reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage. equal protection of the law should apply, to unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Well it doesn't and it never will.
UI is meant for people who are forced out of employment against their will, or who were fired for insufficient cause not for lazy fucks who choose not to work

haven't actually read the law? it is about employment, at-will.

All employment is employment at will yet as far as UI is concerned there are specific conditions that must be met before one is eligible to collect and being a lazy fuck who refuses to work isn't one of them

 

[danielpalos]

i know it is being applied wrong, on purpose.

no you are confusing UI with welfare
Did you know that business pay state and federal UI taxes based on their payroll ? It is already funded by employers and is meant for people who find themselves unemployed against their will. It is not for people who refuse to work, who voluntarily quit or who are fired for cause

no, i am not confusing anything. the right merely confuses Mickey Mouse jobs, to actually improving the efficiency of our economy.

Those "Mickey Mouse" jobs are vital for unskilled teenagers trying to break into the job market and you're trying to take them away.

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis is simply more efficient.

And we can make it easier or harder for unskilled teenagers with no work history to break into the job market. I want to make it easier, you want to make it harder.

easier for what, to make less just so the rich can get richer faster?

having recourse to unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, means persons can go to school or vocational training for as long as they want. Only the right, never gets it.

 

[danielpalos]

it is about equal protection of the law.

That has nothing to do with MW.

People who make MW get the same protection under the law as everyone else

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

So why make businesses be welfare agencies?

don't know what you mean. it is your straw man argument. why don't You explain it?

I already have, you just didn't like the explanation.

it was Your straw man argument, not mine. Why don't You explain Your argument.

 

[Skull Pilot]

no you are confusing UI with welfare
Did you know that business pay state and federal UI taxes based on their payroll ? It is already funded by employers and is meant for people who find themselves unemployed against their will. It is not for people who refuse to work, who voluntarily quit or who are fired for cause

no, i am not confusing anything. the right merely confuses Mickey Mouse jobs, to actually improving the efficiency of our economy.

Those "Mickey Mouse" jobs are vital for unskilled teenagers trying to break into the job market and you're trying to take them away.

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis is simply more efficient.

And we can make it easier or harder for unskilled teenagers with no work history to break into the job market. I want to make it easier, you want to make it harder.

easier for what, to make less just so the rich can get richer faster?

having recourse to unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, means persons can go to school or vocational training for as long as they want. Only the right, never gets it.

if you don't want to make a rich person richer then don't work for a rich person. Work for the poorest guy you can find

 

[danielpalos]

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

what?????it depends totally on what social services , what age, and what circumstances. totally worthless generalization.

average, dear.

most social services goe to old sick folk so why would an average cost matter at all when thread is about working age, able bodied? Think before you post

because, not everyone wants to make like John Henry simply to help the rich get richer faster.

Hey if you don't want to work for someone else then don't
Work for yourself and stop fucking whining

i am not whining. I am simply telling you; unequal protection of the law, doesn't work.

 

[danielpalos]

Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

People unable to perform labor that is worth at least the new minimum wage won't be allowed to work.

so what; they should be able to go on unemployment compensation and go to school.

 

[Skull Pilot]

what?????it depends totally on what social services , what age, and what circumstances. totally worthless generalization.

average, dear.

most social services goe to old sick folk so why would an average cost matter at all when thread is about working age, able bodied? Think before you post

because, not everyone wants to make like John Henry simply to help the rich get richer faster.

Hey if you don't want to work for someone else then don't
Work for yourself and stop fucking whining

i am not whining. I am simply telling you; unequal protection of the law, doesn't work.

there is no unequal protection if you were employed and you lost your job through no fault of your own the you can collect UI.

If you never had a job that's your choice to be a lazy shit

 

[danielpalos]

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour.

So what?

That's a nonissue and irrelevant to equal protection under the law

You have no right to a job or an income.
In fact you have no right to police protection or welfare

it is the reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage. equal protection of the law should apply, to unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Well it doesn't and it never will.
UI is meant for people who are forced out of employment against their will, or who were fired for insufficient cause not for lazy fucks who choose not to work

haven't actually read the law? it is about employment, at-will.

All employment is employment at will yet as far as UI is concerned there are specific conditions that must be met before one is eligible to collect and being a lazy fuck who refuses to work isn't one of them

those conditions are extra-lawful. only the right, never gets it.

 

[danielpalos]

no, i am not confusing anything. the right merely confuses Mickey Mouse jobs, to actually improving the efficiency of our economy.

Those "Mickey Mouse" jobs are vital for unskilled teenagers trying to break into the job market and you're trying to take them away.

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis is simply more efficient.

And we can make it easier or harder for unskilled teenagers with no work history to break into the job market. I want to make it easier, you want to make it harder.

easier for what, to make less just so the rich can get richer faster?

having recourse to unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, means persons can go to school or vocational training for as long as they want. Only the right, never gets it.

if you don't want to make a rich person richer then don't work for a rich person. Work for the poorest guy you can find

with equal protection of the law; persons could go on unemployment compensation and go to school for as long as they want.

 

[danielpalos]

average, dear.

most social services goe to old sick folk so why would an average cost matter at all when thread is about working age, able bodied? Think before you post

because, not everyone wants to make like John Henry simply to help the rich get richer faster.

Hey if you don't want to work for someone else then don't
Work for yourself and stop fucking whining

i am not whining. I am simply telling you; unequal protection of the law, doesn't work.

there is no unequal protection if you were employed and you lost your job through no fault of your own the you can collect UI.

If you never had a job that's your choice to be a lazy shit

equal protection of the law is a Constitutional guarantee. only the right is too lazy to "work for it".

 

[Skull Pilot]

So what?

That's a nonissue and irrelevant to equal protection under the law

You have no right to a job or an income.
In fact you have no right to police protection or welfare

it is the reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage. equal protection of the law should apply, to unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Well it doesn't and it never will.
UI is meant for people who are forced out of employment against their will, or who were fired for insufficient cause not for lazy fucks who choose not to work

haven't actually read the law? it is about employment, at-will.

All employment is employment at will yet as far as UI is concerned there are specific conditions that must be met before one is eligible to collect and being a lazy fuck who refuses to work isn't one of them

those conditions are extra-lawful. only the right, never gets it.

It has nothing to do with right or left.
You are responsible for getting a ob to pay your own bills
You are not entitled to a job
No one is under mandate to hire employees
You control how much you make and how much your skill set is worth

what you want to do is blame employers because you can't pay your bills when the responsibility and blame for that is all yours

 

[Skull Pilot]

Those "Mickey Mouse" jobs are vital for unskilled teenagers trying to break into the job market and you're trying to take them away.

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis is simply more efficient.

And we can make it easier or harder for unskilled teenagers with no work history to break into the job market. I want to make it easier, you want to make it harder.

easier for what, to make less just so the rich can get richer faster?

having recourse to unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, means persons can go to school or vocational training for as long as they want. Only the right, never gets it.

if you don't want to make a rich person richer then don't work for a rich person. Work for the poorest guy you can find

with equal protection of the law; persons could go on unemployment compensation and go to school for as long as they want.

no. what you want is for everyone else to pay your bills so you can be a lazy shit

 

[hadit]

no you are confusing UI with welfare
Did you know that business pay state and federal UI taxes based on their payroll ? It is already funded by employers and is meant for people who find themselves unemployed against their will. It is not for people who refuse to work, who voluntarily quit or who are fired for cause

no, i am not confusing anything. the right merely confuses Mickey Mouse jobs, to actually improving the efficiency of our economy.

Those "Mickey Mouse" jobs are vital for unskilled teenagers trying to break into the job market and you're trying to take them away.

not at all; there will always be a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism.

solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis is simply more efficient.

And we can make it easier or harder for unskilled teenagers with no work history to break into the job market. I want to make it easier, you want to make it harder.

easier for what, to make less just so the rich can get richer faster?

What part of that is difficult to understand? When you are fresh out of high school at 18 years of age, have not held a steady job, and have no marketable skills, you NEED a low paying, unskilled job to establish a work history, get a favorable reference for a better job and learn some skills. No one is going to pay you a lot of money until you demonstrate that you are capable of doing valuable work, so jacking the MW higher and higher makes those jobs disappear and makes it harder for someone to break into the job market.

having recourse to unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, means persons can go to school or vocational training for as long as they want. Only the right, never gets it.

What the right "gets" is that there is a set of people who will, as long as someone else is paying the bill, be professional students, continually "learning" and getting "training", but never actually putting those skills to use and earning a living. Unemployment compensation for when you're laid off makes sense, still getting paid after quitting a job is welfare.