What to Realistically Expect from the 44th President

[Shattered]

Ooooh. I see why you started a SECOND Democracy thread..

Because THIS one wasn't panning out the way you envisioned.. K. I'll close the other one, and y'all can keep it here, til it finds IT'S way to the Flame Zone...

Edit: Thread reopened in Flame Zone.

 

[Truthmatters]

Ooooh. I see why you started a SECOND Democracy thread..

Because THIS one wasn't panning out the way you envisioned.. K. I'll close the other one, and y'all can keep it here, til it finds IT'S way to the Flame Zone...

no it was a side subject that came up in this thread.

There is no rule against starting a thread from an side issue that came up to avoid thread jacking is there?

 

[Skull Pilot]

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About the Author
ThisNation.com is researched and written by Jonathan Mott, Ph.D. (Political Science from the University of Oklahoma). Dr. Mott has taught introductory American Government, American Political Thought, American Political Processes, the American Presidency, Congress and the Legislative Process, Campaign Management, Transitions from Campaigning to Governing, Cyberpolitics, Political Analysis and Public Policy at the University of Oklahoma and at Brigham Young University. He is currently the Director of Brigham Young University's Center for Instructional Design and an Adjunct Professor of Political Science at BYU.

Dr. Mott's Ph.D. dissertation is on the styles of work adopted by members of Congress while at work in Washington, D.C. While doing his dissertation research, Dr. Mott served as an American Political Science Association Carl Albert Congressional Fellow in the office of Congressman J.C. Watts, Jr. (R-OK), the Congressman who represented the area where the Motts lived while Jonathan was in graduate school. He has published articles in Social Science Quarterly, Public Integrity , the Journal of Political Science Education and has presented numerous papers at academic conferences.

BYU?????????


One nut bag at BYU does not get to change the definition fo Democracy

and dictionary.com is the end all be all source for definitions and etymology of the English Language?

 

[Shattered]

no it was a side subject that came up in this thread.

There is no rule against starting a thread from an side issue that came up to avoid thread jacking is there?

Nah. Not until you insist they back up their "ridiculous claims" here, and then run off and start another thread insisting they back them up there.

Waste of bandwidth.

 

[Shattered]

and dictionary.com is the end all be all source for definitions and etymology of the English Language?

Just like YouTube is proof positive of everything else.

 

[Truthmatters]

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

 

[Shattered]

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

And another...

Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that it's been defined.. Now what?

 

[Andrew2382]

Democracy versus Republic

Republic vs. Democracy

More on the real differences: Democracy vs Republic | Democrats.com

 

[Skull Pilot]

TST: A Republic, Not a Democracy

Our nation was founded as a constitutionally limited republic, as any grammar school child knew just a few decades ago (remember the Pledge of Allegiance: "and to the Republic for which it stands"...?). The Founding Fathers were concerned with liberty, not democracy. In fact, the word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. On the contrary, Article IV, section 4 of the Constitution is quite clear: "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a Republican Form of Government (emphasis added). The emphasis on democracy in our modern political discourse has no historical or constitutional basis.
In fact, the Constitution is replete with undemocratic mechanisms. The electoral college is an obvious example. Small states are represented in national elections with greater electoral power than their populations would warrant in a purely democratic system. Similarly, sparsely populated Wyoming has the same number of senators as heavily populated New York. The result is not democratic, but the Founders knew that smaller states had to be protected against overreaching federal power. The Bill of Rights provides individuals with similar protections against the majority. The First Amendment, for example, is utterly undemocratic. It was designed to protect unpopular speech against democratic fervor. Would the same politicians so enamored with democracy be willing to give up freedom of speech if the majority chose to do so?
Our Founders instituted a republican system to protect individual rights and property rights from tyranny, regardless of whether the tyrant was a king, a monarchy, a congress, or an unelected mob. They believed that a representative government, restrained by the Bill of Rights and divided into three power sharing branches, would balance the competing interests of the population. They also knew that unbridled democracy would lead to the same kind of tyranny suffered by the colonies under King George. In other words, the Founders had no illusions about democracy. Democracy represented unlimited rule by an omnipotent majority, while a constitutionally limited republic was seen as the best system to preserve liberty. Inalienable individual liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights would be threatened by the "excesses of democracy."

The intent of the founding fathers was NOT to establish a democracy.

 

[Truthmatters]

Cambridge Dictionaries Online - Cambridge University Press


Definition
democracy Show phonetics
noun
1 the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves:
The government has promised to uphold the principles of democracy.
The early 1990s saw the spread of democracy in Eastern Europe

 

[xsited1]

Please document your insane claim

It sounds like you finally lost it . Here's a good link. Enjoy:

An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Please document your insane claim

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams

"We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity." - Alexander Hamilton

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos." - John Marshall

 

[xsited1]

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams

"We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity." - Alexander Hamilton

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos." - John Marshall

Here's an actual picture of TruthMatters:

 

[GigiBowman]

If nothing else, Truthmatters has contributed to those of higher education (at least 11th grade American History) getting numerous rep points from yours truly lol

Thank you Kevin for the quotes from our forefathers

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If nothing else, Truthmatters has contributed to those of higher education (at least 11th grade American History) getting numerous rep points from yours truly lol

Thank you Kevin for the quotes from our forefathers

Don't thank me, all the credit goes to TruthMatters. Without his lack of knowledge on the distinction between a Democracy and a Republic, this would not have been possible.

 

[USJD]

If nothing else, Truthmatters has contributed to those of higher education (at least 11th grade American History) getting numerous rep points from yours truly lol

Thank you Kevin for the quotes from our forefathers

And no rep points for me, gosh darn.

 

[Navy1960]

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
-- January 27, 1838 Abraham Lincoln

What to expect from the 44th President, the President of the United States should honor the memory of those that came before him, and the millions of Americans who's blood has been spilled the world over in Wars the world over to give him the high priviledge of being in the White House. A President should honor the 200 plus years of traditions of honor, duty, and love of country each and every moment of every day they conduct the duties of the office. A President when taking the oath of office to defend the constitution of the United States, should not seek to destroy that constitution , but rather hold it up and defend it for all to admire. A President should not only inspire with words, but with deeds, and should not dishonor himself and the office in which he sits in by seeking favor. A President should be the constant defender of the American people and that means all the American people and not just those that put him in office. Most of all what I expect from the 44th President is that he seek to make this country a better place for those that will come after him. Thats what a President should do.

 

[USJD]

A President when taking the oath of office to defend the constitution of the United States, should not seek to destroy that constitution , but rather hold it up and defend it for all to admire. A President should not only inspire with words, but with deeds, and should not dishonor himself and the office in which he sits in by seeking favor.

I wonder how people would rate George W. Bush on this?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I wonder how people would rate George W. Bush on this?

No President in history has done more to subvert the Constitution than George W. Bush. Patriot Act, FISA Amendments, Bailout bill, and his Presidential signing statements are some of his more notorious offenses against the Constitution.

 

[GigiBowman]

No President in history has done more to subvert the Constitution than George W. Bush. Patriot Act, FISA Amendments, Bailout bill, and his Presidential signing statements are some of his more notorious offenses against the Constitution.

Take a gander through some of his executive orders
Executive Orders Issued by President George W. Bush

by the way I just saw the movie W...and well, all I can say is....

only in America can a boob become President