What to do with the $800 billion the illegal aliens send home?

[Lisa558]

I don’t think I ever had to show a vaccination card and temporary requirements by certain jurisdictions are hardly comparable because they were short term in nature and not nationally imposed.

I had to show a vax card to board a cruise, visit my mother in ALF, enter a restaurant, and some other things I don’t remember.

 

[Mac-7]

I don’t have a number because I’m talking about changing the legal pathway to reduce pressure on the illegal side.

As to letting them stay? I think that depends. For example I oppose deporting those who were brought here as children (unless they’ve committed a major crime) and I’ve stated my reasons for this elsewhere. There also has to be room for some compassion, for example I oppose deporting someone to a place where their lives will be endangered such as a war zone.

So no, I don’t have numbers.

I think we can agree on deporting criminals, though I bet you are much more forgiving of wrong doing than I am

But even under my strict guidelines that leaves most illegals immune from the consequences of violating our immigration laws

 

[Arlette]

Low-hanging fruit first: wipe you butt and tell me why Biden et all is giving away the material, already paid for, foe the border wall.

Employers are the low hanging fruit

 

[Coyote]

I had to show a vax card to board a cruise, visit my mother in ALF, enter a restaurant, and some other things I don’t remember.

That makes sense from a health perspective in the middle of a pandemic and it is short term. Having to show papers all the time just to move around is too Soviet.

 

[Lisa558]

I want to overhaul our entire immigration system:

Increase immigration opportunities for those who have skills we need (such as tech, or primary care medicine) regardless of country of origin.

Increase the number of work permits for those that just want to come to work, not any permanent status and it would not include bringing families for that category.

Big investment into updating and modernizing the system, increasing the number of immigration judges. Also criminals need to be more easily identified and requests for asylum more rapidly adjudicated (it should not take years).

Anyone convicted of a violent crime should be deported as quickly as possible.

Glad you’re for deporting violent immigrants, but we need more at the border:

1) Nobody with any felony convictions in the COO gets in.
2) Obviously, nobody with communicable disease gets in, and they will be screened at the border, like they did in Ellis Island.
3) Nobody over 21 without a high school diploma. We have enough high school dropouts having babies they can’t afford and going on welfare as it is.
4) They must enroll in an English class and demonstrate basic proficiency at the 6-month point.

 

[Coyote]

I think we can agree on deporting criminals, though I bet you are much more forgiving of wrong doing than I am

But even under my strict guidelines that leaves most illegals immune from the consequences of violating our immigration laws

How does it do that?

 

[Lisa558]

Employers are the low hanging fruit

No. Securing the border is the low-hanging fruit. The wall material is already paid for. Let’s quadruple the border agents, and deport anyone caught crossing illegally. No more catch and release.

 

[Kondor3]

Why do we need a quota system by country of origin?

Is that really-and-truly a serious question?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

OK
If you want to tax their work, then give them temporary work visas, let them work legally, earn a fair wage and pay taxes

Define “fair wage”

 

[Lisa558]

That makes sense from a health perspective in the middle of a pandemic and it is short term. Having to show papers all the time just to move around is too Soviet.

We’re not talking to move around. We are talking when sending money to home countries.

 

[scruffy]

I don't get asked to show an ID to "buy your handle of Titos or that case of Coors Light".

Just bought bought a quart of Norwegian Mead yesterday at the liquor store, didn't show an ID then either.

WW

Real mead?

The white stuff that looks like thin tapioca?

 

[Mac-7]

How does it do that?

You dont want them deported

 

[scruffy]

Who is gonna ID everyone?

No ID, automatic 25% tax.

 

[Coyote]

Glad you’re for deporting violent immigrants, but we need more at the border:

1) Nobody with any felony convictions in the COO gets in.

I probably agree, but what is COO?

2) Obviously, nobody with communicable disease gets in, and they will be screened at the border, like they did in Ellis Island.

Depends on the disease. A common cold is communicable. Also many diseases fatal at one time are easily now.

3) Nobody over 21 without a high school diploma. We have enough high school dropouts having babies they can’t afford and going on welfare as it is.

That is reasonable.

4) They must enroll in an English class and demonstrate basic proficiency at the 6-month point.

Agree on taking English classes but not a 6-month deadline. If they apply for citizenship they have to demonstrate English profiecency. If they are coming just to work, not stay, then I don’t see the point in adding proficiency.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Blow your nose and tell me why we can't hold the companies that employ illegals accountable.

While I believe employers should be hanged in public for hiring illegals, tell us, why do you think enforcement of border policy should be in the hands of or the responsibility of employers?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We should 100% tax remittances

 

[WorldWatcher]

Real mead?

The white stuff that looks like thin tapioca?

My bad. Made in Denmark

WW
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[Coyote]

You dont want them deported

? I do want them deported other than examples I gave which are fairly limited.

If you are referring to asylum, that is just the way the law is.

 

[buttercup]

In the old Soviet Union you had to provide papers for almost everything. Travel, crossing jurisdictions, everything. Is that really where you want to take us?

The funny thing is, before I saw his reply to ^ that, I was going to reply to you with what I think he would say, and sure enough, his reply was almost identical to my (parody) prediction of what he was going to say.

I've said this before but I'll say it again....I think the "Paperz Pleez!" police state that we're heading toward, thanks to people like BL, was the agenda in the first place. The PTSB always need pretexts for their authoritarianism, and as I've said on other threads, the illegal immigration problem is that pretext. Another example of "Problem - Reaction - Solution."

For anyone who still doesn't get it, the PTSB create a problem, there's a reaction from the people ("Do something!") and then the government comes to the rescue with the "solution", which was their agenda in the first place. In this case, moving us toward a surveillance society "Paperz Pleez!" police state, digital IDs, CBDCs, etc.

BL doesn't seem to realize that he's being a useful idiot. And if he or others like him think that willingly handing power over to corrupt authoritarians won't eventually come back to bite them in the ass, then they're even bigger shortsighted dummies than previously stated.

So no one twists what I'm saying here, I am 1000% against illegal immigration. But what I DON'T agree with is trading liberty for "security" which is exactly what BL is advocating, as his post #264 clearly shows.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I’m not a MAGA.

I’m a AWAG (America Was Always Great).

WW

Hmmm…by what metric is America “GREAT”? Are GREAT nations comprised of less than 60% of it’s core people, are most jobs given to the foreign born, are they lost and divided with no identity, are they $36T in debt, do they have a larger homeless population than the total population of many countries, are there Veterans sleeping, pissing, shitting and dying in the streets, do they have a middle class that can’t save a dime or get ahead, do they have 50 million unvetted illegals fucking over the citizenry, maiming, raping and murdering daughters, destroying blue collar trade work, destroying public school and healthcare institutions…does the citizenry hate one another, do they have off the charts levels of criminality, a social media and media steering elections and the cultural direction the nation?
Are you sure you know what a great nation looks like?