What three "Transformations" would you reverse in the 2016+ Post Obama-Nation?

[Avatar4321]

The people talking "Socialism" here have never spent 10 minutes researching what socialism actually is. Most Americans don't. THIS is pathetic.

I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying you should KNOW what you are talking about.

If people only talked about what they knew, the world would be silent.

 

[Avatar4321]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

 

[GWV5903]

There have been a grand total of ZERO "transformations" that have occurred during Obama's term.
America, for all intents and purposes, is almost completely the same as it was in 2007.

The only major "changes" in that time frame have been in terms of public opinion, specifically on gay marriage and medical/recreational marijuana.

What a load of crap...

Don't make any sudden turns with those blinders on...

How is your life changed since Obama entered office?

I now pay more for my family's HC insurance, close to $600 more per year...

This administration has put Social Change ahead of everything else, everything...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

What a load of crap...

Don't make any sudden turns with those blinders on...

How is your life changed since Obama entered office?

I now pay more for my family's HC insurance, close to $600 more per year...

This administration has put Social Change ahead of everything else, everything...

$5 a month more for your health insurance? Mine has gone up by that much every year for the last decade.

You're right, that's an complete TRANSFORMATION.

 

[Avatar4321]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

That would be because it doesnt solve a damn thing. It makes things worse. And if it wasn't a huge change, people wouldn't be losing their insurance or paying skyrocketing premiums and deductibles.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

That would be because it doesnt solve a damn thing. It makes things worse. And if it wasn't a huge change, people wouldn't be losing their insurance or paying skyrocketing premiums and deductibles.

I wouldn't say it made anything worse. I would say it kept everything pretty much exactly the same. Some people lost their insurance, some people who weren't able to afford it before can now, in about equal numbers.

I agree that it doesn't "solve" anything, though.

 

[Kurmugeon]

The people talking "Socialism" here have never spent 10 minutes researching what socialism actually is. Most Americans don't. THIS is pathetic.

I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying you should KNOW what you are talking about.

Like the old donkey Benjamin from Animal Farm, I've lived a long time.

In all my years, I've been told over and over and over again, how what we just watched fail in spectacular fashion was not the "Real Socialism", if it had been we would have seen something wonderful.

IMO, the real problem is, self-serving parasites, cannot continue to act as self-serving social parasites, if they openly admit to their host that they really are just self-serving social parasites...

Its never going to "Work", unless you define success as fat-and-happy-parasites, because in the end, that is all it really amounts to...

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[GWV5903]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

Why is it you claim this will shore up HC?

All this will do is dilute it, the haves will continue to be in a position to obtain better HC treatments...

I would never disagree that our HC system needs to be revamped, even overhauled, but the first step in the right direction is to pull back the massive government controls that heighten cost...

We live in a economic bubble today designed to protect against the PC Police...

The argument that litigation has only increased cost 1% is hilarious to say the least...

There is no measurable way to price the cost of litigation has on just about any product we use on a daily basis, it's a crock of BS...

Good sustained job growth is the single cure for most of these issues we deal with today socially, not the color of our skin...

 

[bripat9643]

The people talking "Socialism" here have never spent 10 minutes researching what socialism actually is. Most Americans don't. THIS is pathetic.

I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying you should KNOW what you are talking about.

Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysisby Ludwig von Mises

Read it. You might learn something.

Nah!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

How can anyone honestly claim there have been no transformations when Obama care exists?

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

Why is it you claim this will shore up HC?

I didn't. I said it shores up the status quo system in place.

All this will do is dilute it, the haves will continue to be in a position to obtain better HC treatments...

That's what "status quo" means.

I would never disagree that our HC system needs to be revamped, even overhauled, but the first step in the right direction is to pull back the massive government controls that heighten cost...

I don't know if I agree, but that's ok.

We live in a economic bubble today designed to protect against the PC Police...

The argument that litigation has only increased cost 1% is hilarious to say the least...

There is no measurable way to price the cost of litigation has on just about any product we use on a daily basis, it's a crock of BS...

Good sustained job growth is the single cure for most of these issues we deal with today socially, not the color of our skin...

The idea that health costs in this country are so high due to torts is silly.

Tort reform wouldn't solve the issue of health care in this country any better than Obamacare did.

 

[MACAULAY]

The people talking "Socialism" here have never spent 10 minutes researching what socialism actually is. Most Americans don't. THIS is pathetic.

I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying you should KNOW what you are talking about.

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I have spent more than ten minutes researching it...it has never been known to be successful in any large or small society...Socialism, that is...large and small societies "USSR down to HAITI"-----no successes. And it is precisely what is at hand with the current Democratic Party Agenda...nobody expects them to admit it, many don't realize it....but reduce the core "progressive" Democratic party agenda to it basics....then trace those basic principals back through time to their origin...and you realize that their philosophic forefather is ole Karl Marx.

Most people think that nonsense went away with the collapse of the old Soviet Union, but the Democratic Party in the good ole USA is preaching nothing much different.

 

[GWV5903]

How is your life changed since Obama entered office?

I now pay more for my family's HC insurance, close to $600 more per year...

This administration has put Social Change ahead of everything else, everything...

$5 a month more for your health insurance? Mine has gone up by that much every year for the last decade.

You're right, that's an complete TRANSFORMATION.

I believe you meant $50 and considering when I entered the work force some 36 years ago and paying ZERO my cost has increased as well to over $6,000 a year today, so yes a $600 tax increase per year for Obama Care is going to get my attention...

The solution is not in tax increases, tell me what is so much different today than the 36 years ago when I paid nothing and had much better coverage?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I now pay more for my family's HC insurance, close to $600 more per year...

This administration has put Social Change ahead of everything else, everything...

$5 a month more for your health insurance? Mine has gone up by that much every year for the last decade.

You're right, that's an complete TRANSFORMATION.

I believe you meant $50

You are correct, that was a typo.

and considering when I entered the work force some 36 years ago and paying ZERO my cost has increased as well to over $6,000 a year today, so yes a $600 tax increase per year for Obama Care is going to get my attention...

The solution is not in tax increases, tell me what is so much different today than the 36 years ago when I paid nothing and had much better coverage?

I once had a great job with free insurance too. But times have changed, and they changed a long time before Obama became President.

 

[Pogo]

There have been a grand total of ZERO "transformations" that have occurred during Obama's term.

America, for all intents and purposes, is almost completely the same as it was in 2007.

The only major "changes" in that time frame have been in terms of public opinion, specifically on gay marriage and medical/recreational marijuana.

When I wrote this piece, I thought I would get all kinds of responses, both pro and con Obama.

I did not expect anyone to claim that a Leftie would claim that Obama has done/accomplished nothing.

The fact that your comic book fantasies were dismissed as just that does not equate to "nothing". It equates to your comic book fantasies being dismissed.

 

[GWV5903]

Because Obamacare, in the long run, isn't that much of a change, let alone a "transformation". Obamacare shores up the status quo. It is, quite literally, the least that could have been done to solve the issue of healthcare in this country.

Why is it you claim this will shore up HC?

I didn't. I said it shores up the status quo system in place.


That's what "status quo" means.

I would never disagree that our HC system needs to be revamped, even overhauled, but the first step in the right direction is to pull back the massive government controls that heighten cost...

I don't know if I agree, but that's ok.

We live in a economic bubble today designed to protect against the PC Police...

The argument that litigation has only increased cost 1% is hilarious to say the least...

There is no measurable way to price the cost of litigation has on just about any product we use on a daily basis, it's a crock of BS...

Good sustained job growth is the single cure for most of these issues we deal with today socially, not the color of our skin...

The idea that health costs in this country are so high due to torts is silly.

Tort reform wouldn't solve the issue of health care in this country any better than Obamacare did.

Why is it silly? Granted medicine is tremendously better today than 5, 10 even 20 years ago, and I do acknowledge this comes with a cost...

The thought that litigation doesn't have a significant impact on cost is silly, I will assure you for the $60MILL we generate in my division this year, 2% to 3% goes to contingency funds for potential liabilities. A profitable entity always prepares for the potential litigation as a responsibility for the good of the people that work there...

In my experience watching the penny's, nickel's and dimes makes a huge overall positive impact on the ability to weather the storms that always happen...

 

[GWV5903]

$5 a month more for your health insurance? Mine has gone up by that much every year for the last decade.

You're right, that's an complete TRANSFORMATION.

I believe you meant $50

You are correct, that was a typo.

and considering when I entered the work force some 36 years ago and paying ZERO my cost has increased as well to over $6,000 a year today, so yes a $600 tax increase per year for Obama Care is going to get my attention...

The solution is not in tax increases, tell me what is so much different today than the 36 years ago when I paid nothing and had much better coverage?

I once had a great job with free insurance too. But times have changed, and they changed a long time before Obama became President.

I was paying $75 a month for the same coverage 12 years ago that cost $475 today $50 of it coming under Obama Care...

The point is clear, he said it would save you money...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I believe you meant $50

You are correct, that was a typo.

and considering when I entered the work force some 36 years ago and paying ZERO my cost has increased as well to over $6,000 a year today, so yes a $600 tax increase per year for Obama Care is going to get my attention...

The solution is not in tax increases, tell me what is so much different today than the 36 years ago when I paid nothing and had much better coverage?

I once had a great job with free insurance too. But times have changed, and they changed a long time before Obama became President.

I was paying $75 a month for the same coverage 12 years ago that cost $475 today $50 of it coming under Obama Care...

The point is clear, he said it would save you money...

Your "point" is far from clear, you seem to think that I'm trying to defend Obama or Obamacare, which is far from the case.

My point is nothing more than this: "Obama's America" is for all intents and purposes identical to "Bush's America".

 

[francoHFW]

If socialism comes up, the idiot cold war dinosaurs go directly to communism. lol

O-care is the transformation. In 5 years, the GOP will swear they invented it.

 

[GWV5903]

You are correct, that was a typo.



I once had a great job with free insurance too. But times have changed, and they changed a long time before Obama became President.

I was paying $75 a month for the same coverage 12 years ago that cost $475 today $50 of it coming under Obama Care...

The point is clear, he said it would save you money...

Your "point" is far from clear, you seem to think that I'm trying to defend Obama or Obamacare, which is far from the case.

My point is nothing more than this: "Obama's America" is for all intents and purposes identical to "Bush's America".

Did you miss that statement of his regarding a savings of some $2,500 per year for HC coverage?

If you're not defending it, then why do you ignore the fact its impact is huge? Don't you believe the 20MILL that are still unemployed full time is a direct effect because of Obama Care? The actuals vs. the perception is staggering in that fact alone...

I made a very clear point on the fact that 2% to 3% of our net goes to funding contingency's for liabilities, yet you have no rebuttal for this? A net of 8% to 10% is essential for a business to thrive, and you don't want to acknowledge that 2% to 3% is significant? Tort Reform is not the entire solution, but it is most assuredly a very good start...