What the US can learn from New Zealand political discourse

[Correll]

Unfettered capitalism created the fiscal disaster that is today's South America. Milton Friedman has been utterly discredited. "Free market capitalism" creates great wealth for a few, and great poverty for many.

Your "free market capitalism" has destroyed the US economy - 3 times in the past 40 years. Yes it builds great wealth - by impoverishing working people and keeping them dependent. It leads to violence and overthrow when people get tired of privation.

Well regulated capitalism - what you call "socialism", has created all of the "best countries in the world to live in". Wealth is of no use if the people whose labor created that wealth are not well compensated. See Russia in 1918.

The USA has been a "socialist democracy" since its founding. Publicly owned schools, libraries, fire departments, and other infrastructure are all "socialist" ideas which were wildly radical in 1776. Add in Social Security, welfare and Medicaid, and you're fully into "socialism".

40 years of Republican employment and tax policies have set the USA on the same path as Chile and and Brazil - great wealth, deep poverty, and not much in between.

1. No one is pushing for "unfettered capitalism" so that portion of your post is off topic.

2. We do not have "free market capitalism". THe Great Recession was the result of the type of government led market intervention you people love, so, that portion of your post, is a lie.

3. Publicly owned schools and libraries, do not make a "socialistic democracy". So, that part of your post is a lie.

4. If you want to address the issues of the widening "inequality" in our society, seriously, or God Forbid, productively, I suggest you drop the partisan and/or anti-American shit and address the various issues, honestly.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, they use the British system where the government has far more control over the press than American governments do.

I hope the people of New Zealand get what lefty governments always end up giving them, less freedom, more taxes, more government.

Give it to them GOOD AND HARD.

Move there, you SJW cuck.

According to the World Freedom Index, New Zealanders have MUCH more freedom than Americans do. In fact, New Zealand has the highest level of personal freedom in the world.

ttps://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries

Canada, Great Britain, Australia, and Germany all have freer populations than you do, which really puts the lie to your statement that those under the Parliamentary system of government have LESS freedom than Americans.

Nice of you to wish ill on the New Zealanders. It shows what a total piece of shit you are. It makes me happy that you're not getting vaccinated. As each variant of the the disease gets more contagious and more deadly, Americans are still letting the virus run free and continue to mutate, instead of getting a shot to end it.

But clearly your education is clearly lacking. All of the top 18 countries on the World's Best Places to live index are SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES.

1. No one is pushing for "unfettered capitalism" so that portion of your post is off topic.

2. We do not have "free market capitalism". THe Great Recession was the result of the type of government led market intervention you people love, so, that portion of your post, is a lie.

3. Publicly owned schools and libraries, do not make a "socialistic democracy". So, that part of your post is a lie.

4. If you want to address the issues of the widening "inequality" in our society, seriously, or God Forbid, productively, I suggest you drop the partisan and/or anti-American shit and address the various issues, honestly.

I am addressing this honestly. Republican tax and labour laws have lead to 3 economic collapses in 40 years. The rest of the first world has not endured this level of economic chaos, except for 2008. Most of the first world rushed into banking deregulation when Republicans in the House and Senate approved their banking reform bill and it was signed into law in 1999.

Yes, you are running a free market economy - capitalism on steriods. They're nearly there. American workers have fewer rights, fewer unions and that has resulted in no real raises in 40 years. You have 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA in order to give big Republican employers the right to pay people whatever the fuck they want, and Republican Presidents refuse to prosecute these guys. You have no mandated vacations, no mandated maternity leave, and you have "at will" employment states. You employer controls your health insurance.

There has been no fully free market economy in the world, any more that there's been a true communist country. But the USA has gone deep on the policies which impoverish workers, and increase wealth for the top. But in free market economies that have been tried, prices rose, wages stagnated, the wealth gap got wide, markets destabilized, the rich got richer and the middle class got poorer. Just like is happening in the USA right now.

The USA has fallen to #20 in the world of the best places to live. It was #7 when Trump was elected.

 

[Correll]

According to the World Freedom Index, New Zealanders have MUCH more freedom than Americans do. In fact, New Zealand has the highest level of personal freedom in the world.

ttps://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries

Canada, Great Britain, Australia, and Germany all have freer populations than you do, which really puts the lie to your statement that those under the Parliamentary system of government have LESS freedom than Americans.

Nice of you to wish ill on the New Zealanders. It shows what a total piece of shit you are. It makes me happy that you're not getting vaccinated. As each variant of the the disease gets more contagious and more deadly, Americans are still letting the virus run free and continue to mutate, instead of getting a shot to end it.

But clearly your education is clearly lacking. All of the top 18 countries on the World's Best Places to live index are SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES.


I am addressing this honestly. Republican tax and labour laws have lead to 3 economic collapses in 40 years. The rest of the first world has not endured this level of economic chaos, except for 2008. Most of the first world rushed into banking deregulation when Republicans in the House and Senate approved their banking reform bill and it was signed into law in 1999.

Yes, you are running a free market economy - capitalism on steriods. They're nearly there. American workers have fewer rights, fewer unions and that has resulted in no real raises in 40 years. You have 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA in order to give big Republican employers the right to pay people whatever the fuck they want, and Republican Presidents refuse to prosecute these guys. You have no mandated vacations, no mandated maternity leave, and you have "at will" employment states. You employer controls your health insurance.

There has been no fully free market economy in the world, any more that there's been a true communist country. But the USA has gone deep on the policies which impoverish workers, and increase wealth for the top. But in free market economies that have been tried, prices rose, wages stagnated, the wealth gap got wide, markets destabilized, the rich got richer and the middle class got poorer. Just like is happening in the USA right now.

The USA has fallen to #20 in the world of the best places to live. It was #7 when Trump was elected.

Drop the partisan shit. If you could implement one reform to deal with the problem, what would it be?

 

[martybegan]

According to the World Freedom Index, New Zealanders have MUCH more freedom than Americans do. In fact, New Zealand has the highest level of personal freedom in the world.

ttps://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries

Canada, Great Britain, Australia, and Germany all have freer populations than you do, which really puts the lie to your statement that those under the Parliamentary system of government have LESS freedom than Americans.

Nice of you to wish ill on the New Zealanders. It shows what a total piece of shit you are. It makes me happy that you're not getting vaccinated. As each variant of the the disease gets more contagious and more deadly, Americans are still letting the virus run free and continue to mutate, instead of getting a shot to end it.

But clearly your education is clearly lacking. All of the top 18 countries on the World's Best Places to live index are SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES.


I am addressing this honestly. Republican tax and labour laws have lead to 3 economic collapses in 40 years. The rest of the first world has not endured this level of economic chaos, except for 2008. Most of the first world rushed into banking deregulation when Republicans in the House and Senate approved their banking reform bill and it was signed into law in 1999.

Yes, you are running a free market economy - capitalism on steriods. They're nearly there. American workers have fewer rights, fewer unions and that has resulted in no real raises in 40 years. You have 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA in order to give big Republican employers the right to pay people whatever the fuck they want, and Republican Presidents refuse to prosecute these guys. You have no mandated vacations, no mandated maternity leave, and you have "at will" employment states. You employer controls your health insurance.

There has been no fully free market economy in the world, any more that there's been a true communist country. But the USA has gone deep on the policies which impoverish workers, and increase wealth for the top. But in free market economies that have been tried, prices rose, wages stagnated, the wealth gap got wide, markets destabilized, the rich got richer and the middle class got poorer. Just like is happening in the USA right now.

The USA has fallen to #20 in the world of the best places to live. It was #7 when Trump was elected.

I was vaccinated in March, bitch.

And how is this freedom?

Detainment of British woman for misgendering person shows free speech is under attack in UK

On Feb. 9, The Daily Mail in the U.K. published a story detailing the harrowing detainment of 38-year-old Kate Scottow. Scottow, a resident of Hertfordshire, England, was handcuffed in front of her autistic ten-year-old daughter and breastfeeding 20-month-old son, brought into custody and held for seven hours in a single jail cell.

What heinous action warranted such drastic measures? The crime of “misgendering,” or calling a transgender individual by their biologically determined set of pronouns instead of their preferred pronouns, precipitated Scottow’s arrest. Stephanie Hayden, a biological male who recently transitioned to identifying as female on social media, reported Scottow to the police.

Those metrics are answers looking for an algorithm, not the other way around. You might as well quote astrology.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Human Race is not a "virus".

I wrote "virus" of the biosphere. As long as we are able to think and to speak this is not over. The moment we are not to able to think any longer I was right, because then we finally will have murdered ourselves.

Your self hatred is a mental healthy issue of yours, and nothing to do with me and mine.

Sure not, because you translate "homo sapiens sapiens" the English way and I translate it the German way. Do you remember the difference member of the species "superidiots"?

Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge.
CG Jung

 

[Dr Grump]

An island country with boarders with no one and particularly no borders with third world populations and just over 1% of our population. Um ... yeah, that's a fair comparison.

Yeah, and it's Republicans out there committing all the crimes. Sure it is.

Dirt bag

You're a fucking loon. Nothing you wrote addressed my point.

 

[Dr Grump]

Bullshit. They are free to follow the government, that's it.

Huh?? You have no idea how the NZ system works do you? None whatsoever.

 

[Dr Grump]

And I still don't give a FUCK about an insignificant little country that is entirely populated by sheep

Neither do most Americans

And I care because??? And NZers don't give a fuck about you. You're just a blight on America. You contribute nothing to it. No doubt you try and vicariously live off the real heroes from your country. But then, why wouldn't you. When conservative trailer trash do nothing with their lives that's all they have left.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't get on message boards in other countries and criticize the people who live there.

But you foreigners love to think you know what the people in this country are like because you see shit on the idiot tube

No you just invade them, Newb.

No, I see fuckwits like on messageboards. That gives me a fair idea of what people in your country are like. Let alone all the other outlets - Fox News, Hannity - I could go on. Luckily you and they don't represent normal Americans. You are on the periphery. You are nobodies.

 

[Dr Grump]

Exactly, Dr Grump is a real ass that way.

I've spent my career working extensively in international business and meet a lot of Kiwis. They're pretty nice people. I never met a total dickwad like him who talk to anyone the way he does all the time.

New Zealand is the #1 country I want to go to that I've never been. I doubt when I do I'll meet many like him

Christ, why the fuck would we want a POS to come visit. I doubt the vast majority of Americans are anything like you. Thank Christ.

 

[zaangalewa]

So what do you think of Americans who go to Germany and keep slamming Germans?

And keep what ? ... the last time I spoke with an US-American in Germany we spoke about the ice cream which I ate. And two years ago I missed the US-American who had offered little steaks - very good steaks - on one of our Christmas markets. I hope Corona did not kill his business last year and this year. We will see. Next year Corona will be hopefully only a myth any longer and our normal life will come back.

 

[cnm]

hahah no....having a uniformed currency is not a element of socialism.

with that said, true I suppose....a society doesn't have to have a currency...they can use the barter system....and that's even sometimes used in the USA....but to have a civilized society, a uniformed currency is needed.

Jesus.

 

[cnm]

Most people in the world like America and Americans

There are certainly Americans I like and respect. American foreign policy does not receive the same. Many of the racists on this board are held in contempt.

 

[cnm]

I wouldn't go to New Zealand and start slamming New Zealanders like @Dr Grump comes here electronically and slams us.

Hoho. You should see the Americans slamming NZ on Twitter. It's a hoot. But anyway, Grump slams actions and behaviour from what I've seen. Most of it well deserved.

 

[cnm]

Um ... you haven't noticed it's Democrats blaming America? Seriously?

I see you making a lot of excuses.

 

[cnm]

It isn't about their opinion of gun confiscation, it's that you denied it exists.

You insisted all guns were/are going to be confiscated in NZ. Can you now concede that is bullshit?

 

[Colin norris]

Everything you know about the American people you learned from the Boob tube.

So don't tell me what Americans think, or believe because it's obvious that you have no fucking clue.

And what is it they think and believe which makes them superior?

 

[cnm]

According to the World Freedom Index, New Zealanders have MUCH more freedom than Americans do. In fact, New Zealand has the highest level of personal freedom in the world.

Even that bastion of libertarianism the CATO institute puts NZ's economic freedom at or near the top.

 

[struth]

Jesus.

Even in his time, the Roman's had uniformed currency.

 

[martybegan]

Huh?? You have no idea how the NZ system works do you? None whatsoever.

It's the British system, subjects, not citizens.