What the Right Wing Disinformation Machine Got Wrong About Brown U Shooting: Everything

[DonGlock26]

Funny how the Left blames guns for violence as they allowed countless illegal aliens from the ultra violent third world to invade the nation.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

So now that Ella Cook was just the 15,000th victim of gun violence this year and not the second or third victim of left wing violence or the 30th of right wing violence the right wing outrage machine no longer cares about her death. Her twitter mentions plummeted once the shooter and his motivations became known.

This brings us to account for what the right wing disinformation machine got wrong about the Brown Shooting: EVERYTHING

It's remarkable how badly the RW accounts that ginned up hysteria around the Brown shooting were wrong about everything both on social media and on here.

• The killer did not shout "Allahu Akbar!" - started by Sayaras
• The killer did not target Ella Cook. - started by DonGlock26 and Votto
• The killer did not shoot up that economics class because it was taught by a Jewish professor.
• The killer did not shoot up Brown because of its Israel policies - started by Robert Urbanek
• The killer was not a Palestinian student, or Muslim. Suggested by so many people its hard to @ them all.
• Brown University did not cover up evidence related to the killing in an attempt to protect a political hit or one of its students. Wild Bill Kelsoe
• Nuno Loureiro, the MIT professor, was not killed because he was Jewish or made pro-Israel statements. In fact, there's no evidence he was Jewish.
• Their conspiracy theories were fabricated and were wrong from top to bottom.

That thread where all the Sheep were saying that it was a hit was hilarious. Those people couldn't figure out that when a hitmen kills someone they do it as clandestinely as possible which means no witnesses.

 

[Hafar1014]

If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

The CDC removed that from their study. There are also many fake studies like the Arthur Kellerman study that claimed a gun in the home is more dangerous to the home owner than a criminal. It was totally fabricated. ALso a guncan stop a crime and its only presented no one is shot

How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?​

A March 2025 study indicates that there are 489,000 defensive gun use incidents annually. However, studies consistently show between 60,000 and 2,500,000 DGU uses per year. The average yearly reported number of self-defense cases between 1990 and 2023 is 1,820,000 annually.

The number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) is hotly contested and widely debated because the definitions and data collection methods vary.

Some DGU surveys are broader, asking questions, such as, "Have you ever retrieved a firearm because you perceived a threat?" Others ask more specific questions, such as, "Have you ever retrieved a firearm because you saw an active threat or home intruder?"

• There are an estimated 112,000,000 firearm owners in the U.S. According to the higher estimates, 3% use them for self-defense annually.
• At a minimum, 2.3% of all firearm-related homicides in 2018 were justifiable homicides. Estimates only include agencies that report justifiable homicides to the FBI, whereas many either don't report or do not classify homicides accordingly.
• 29% of Americans report being victims of crimes, but only 42% of Americans report violent crimes to law enforcement.

• States' Self-Defense Laws, Permitless Carry, and DGUs​

  Indiana passed Stand Your Ground laws in 2006 and permitless carry legislation in 2022. In January of 2024, 14 of 18 homicide investigations involved self-defense. From a domestic violence incident to a home break-in, over three-fourths of all deaths in Indianapolis that month involved some type of self-defense claim.
  
  Despite a 2022 study stating that Stand Your Ground legislation leads to more homicides, a five-year average of homicides by state does not support this hypothesis. In fact, national homicide rates increased between 2020 and 2022. Furthermore, states with permitless carry legislation and SYG legislation have the same average homicide rate as those that don't.
  
  The CDC Wonder does not differentiate between self-defense shootings and homicides. However, the evidence is clear: States with strong self-defense laws do not have higher homicide rates than those restricting the right of civilians to defend themselves.
  
  

  States' Violent Crime Rates and No Duty to Retreat (Stand Your Ground Laws)​

  A 2021 study shows that states embracing civilians' rights to self-defense had little to no impact on violent crime rates. However, 75% of states that passed SYG (Stand Your Ground) laws with no duty to retreat experienced a decline in violent crime victimizations in the following years.

 

[Votto]

We aren't talking about "Most homicides", guy, we are talking about this one, where a crazy student shot up his old university.

100% of gun homicides are because someone who shouldn't have a gun had a gun.

The right is all about sensationalizing some more immigrants doing some things that were done is all.

 

[TimFitz]

The entire Brown U hierarchy, including security, was behind this hit.

The left believes it has the right to murder those who disagree with the left...

New survey reveals disturbing trend in support of political violence

A new report reveals a disturbing trend in support of political violence.

cbsaustin.com

Defending the right wing disinformation machine with new made up bullshit?

Typical Trump humper..

 

[TimFitz]

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/6797.

Thanks for the link. Still nothing about the CDC saying what the person I responded to claimed.

Your link does not work.

 

[JoeB131]

The issue of total gun shootings was raised and it needed context. Take the gun away and you still have the killer able to act. You accomplish nothing.
What kind of gun did Timothy McVeigh use or the Boston marathon bombers. Anyone can make a pipe bomb or run people over with a car
Legal guns stop over 1 million violent crimes in any year. CDC

The CDC said nothing of the sort. The CDC just cited some bullshit John Lott study that makes that claim.

Here's the problem with the 1 million or 5 milion DGU claims. Or even the low end 45,000 DGU estimates.

According to the FBI, only 200 or so homicides with guns by civilians are ruled as "justified".

So you would have us believe there are 1 million cases a year where a gun fetishist who lives for the day he can shoot him a darkie draws a gun, but 99.998% of the time, he doesn't shoot?

Yeah, it's just not credible.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny how the Left blames guns for violence as they allowed countless illegal aliens from the ultra violent third world to invade the nation.

I guess they are countless if you have to keep pulling numbers out of your ass.

 

[Meathead]

We aren't talking about "Most homicides", guy, we are talking about this one, where a crazy student shot up his old university.

100% of gun homicides are because someone who shouldn't have a gun had a gun.

You mean like cops who shot Big Mike?

 

[MarcATL]

So now that Ella Cook was just the 15,000th victim of gun violence this year and not the second or third victim of left wing violence or the 30th of right wing violence the right wing outrage machine no longer cares about her death. Her twitter mentions plummeted once the shooter and his motivations became known.

This brings us to account for what the right wing disinformation machine got wrong about the Brown Shooting: EVERYTHING

It's remarkable how badly the RW accounts that ginned up hysteria around the Brown shooting were wrong about everything both on social media and on here.

• The killer did not shout "Allahu Akbar!" - started by Sayaras
• The killer did not target Ella Cook. - started by DonGlock26 and Votto
• The killer did not shoot up that economics class because it was taught by a Jewish professor.
• The killer did not shoot up Brown because of its Israel policies - started by Robert Urbanek
• The killer was not a Palestinian student, or Muslim. Suggested by so many people its hard to @ them all.
• Brown University did not cover up evidence related to the killing in an attempt to protect a political hit or one of its students. Wild Bill Kelsoe
• Nuno Loureiro, the MIT professor, was not killed because he was Jewish or made pro-Israel statements. In fact, there's no evidence he was Jewish.
• Their conspiracy theories were fabricated and were wrong from top to bottom.

But of course!

 

[Hafar1014]

The CDC said nothing of the sort. The CDC just cited some bullshit John Lott study that makes that claim.

Here's the problem with the 1 million or 5 milion DGU claims. Or even the low end 45,000 DGU estimates.

According to the FBI, only 200 or so homicides with guns by civilians are ruled as "justified".

So you would have us believe there are 1 million cases a year where a gun fetishist who lives for the day he can shoot him a darkie draws a gun, but 99.998% of the time, he doesn't shoot?

Yeah, it's just not credible.

They had iyt in their original study and they removed it.

You can quibble about the numbers all you want
There are 16725 homicides by gun
53% are by blacks in democrat cities

So if we take the low figure of 100000 legal gun uses to stop a violent crime it is clear it makes no sense to try and remove all the guns which cant be done anyway

Youre 200 figure is fantasy

When you blame the gun you let the killer escape. The killer is the cause not the gun car truck pipe bomb starting a fire or any of the other simple ways to kill people. Blaming the gun takes special kind of stupid.
Guns save lives and stop crimes and protect families.
If a child of the progressive utopia breaks into your home and threatens your family try begging

 

[Norm Paperman]

Your link does not work.

I didn’t provide a link since my post was copied from the link given by the person I responded to

 

[Hafar1014]

I guess they are countless if you have to keep pulling numbers out of your ass.

He has point democrat open border defund police no bail and reduced jailtimes are the main cause of crime and violence.

 

[theHawk]

So now that Ella Cook was just the 15,000th victim of gun violence this year and not the second or third victim of left wing violence or the 30th of right wing violence the right wing outrage machine no longer cares about her death. Her twitter mentions plummeted once the shooter and his motivations became known.

This brings us to account for what the right wing disinformation machine got wrong about the Brown Shooting: EVERYTHING

It's remarkable how badly the RW accounts that ginned up hysteria around the Brown shooting were wrong about everything both on social media and on here.

• The killer did not shout "Allahu Akbar!" - started by Sayaras
• The killer did not target Ella Cook. - started by DonGlock26 and Votto
• The killer did not shoot up that economics class because it was taught by a Jewish professor.
• The killer did not shoot up Brown because of its Israel policies - started by Robert Urbanek
• The killer was not a Palestinian student, or Muslim. Suggested by so many people its hard to @ them all.
• Brown University did not cover up evidence related to the killing in an attempt to protect a political hit or one of its students. Wild Bill Kelsoe
• Nuno Loureiro, the MIT professor, was not killed because he was Jewish or made pro-Israel statements. In fact, there's no evidence he was Jewish.
• Their conspiracy theories were fabricated and were wrong from top to bottom.

Oh gee, how terrible people speculate who the killer could be!

Now you’re the one speculating these ideas were all false…with zero evidence to back it up.

 

[JoeB131]

They had iyt in their original study and they removed it.

You can quibble about the numbers all you want
There are 16725 homicides by gun
53% are by blacks in democrat cities

So if we take the low figure of 100000 legal gun uses to stop a violent crime it is clear it makes no sense to try and remove all the guns which cant be done anyway

Look, man, your racism is your own issue.

I doubt we can take away all the guns, but how about making it harder for new ones to get out there? We should put new gun buyers under the same microscope we put mortgage buyers or job applicants under.

Youre 200 figure is fantasy

Actually, those are the FBI numbers, and they can be verified that you have an actual dead body and an investigation proving it was justified.

As opposed to Lott or Kleck, who just "estimate" based on faulty models.

When you blame the gun you let the killer escape. The killer is the cause not the gun car truck pipe bomb starting a fire or any of the other simple ways to kill people. Blaming the gun takes special kind of stupid.

How many people are killed by Pipe bombs every year?

I will give you a hint. It was only 17 in 2017. Down from 68 in 2013

https://www.atf.gov/file/128106/download

Why? Because making a pipe bomb isn't easy, and the government actively hunts down idiots who try to do that, like these four idiots who just got arrested for plotting it.

 

[Meathead]

Look, man, your racism is your own issue.

I doubt we can take away all the guns, but how about making it harder for new ones to get out there? We should put new gun buyers under the same microscope we put mortgage buyers or job applicants under.



Actually, those are the FBI numbers, and they can be verified that you have an actual dead body and an investigation proving it was justified.

As opposed to Lott or Kleck, who just "estimate" based on faulty models.


How many people are killed by Pipe bombs every year?

I will give you a hint. It was only 17 in 2017. Down from 68 in 2013

https://www.atf.gov/file/128106/download

Why? Because making a pipe bomb isn't easy, and the government actively hunts down idiots who try to do that, like these four idiots who just got arrested for plotting it.

Yeah, because those inner-city thugs with rap sheets longer than a horse's prick buy their guns legally, especially in your home town.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

So now that Ella Cook was just the 15,000th victim of gun violence this year and not the second or third victim of left wing violence or the 30th of right wing violence the right wing outrage machine no longer cares about her death. Her twitter mentions plummeted once the shooter and his motivations became known.

This brings us to account for what the right wing disinformation machine got wrong about the Brown Shooting: EVERYTHING

It's remarkable how badly the RW accounts that ginned up hysteria around the Brown shooting were wrong about everything both on social media and on here.

• The killer did not shout "Allahu Akbar!" - started by Sayaras
• The killer did not target Ella Cook. - started by DonGlock26 and Votto
• The killer did not shoot up that economics class because it was taught by a Jewish professor.
• The killer did not shoot up Brown because of its Israel policies - started by Robert Urbanek
• The killer was not a Palestinian student, or Muslim. Suggested by so many people its hard to @ them all.
• Brown University did not cover up evidence related to the killing in an attempt to protect a political hit or one of its students. Wild Bill Kelsoe
• Nuno Loureiro, the MIT professor, was not killed because he was Jewish or made pro-Israel statements. In fact, there's no evidence he was Jewish.
• Their conspiracy theories were fabricated and were wrong from top to bottom.

So, eye witnesses say the shooter yelled alluah Akbar, but the people who weren't there say he didn't. Hmmm! Who should we believe???

 

[jknowgood]

We aren't talking about "Most homicides", guy, we are talking about this one, where a crazy student shot up his old university.

100% of gun homicides are because someone who shouldn't have a gun had a gun.

Here is a picture of a good guy with a gun, just to remind ya, Joe.

 

[TimFitz]

Funny how the Left blames guns for violence as they allowed countless illegal aliens from the ultra violent third world to invade the nation.

Funny?

Neither one has a thing to do with the other.

Your apparant assumption that illegal aliens cause gun violence is not supported by any facts at all.

But it does reflect your own bigotry.

 

[DonGlock26]

Funny?

Neither one has a thing to do with the other.

Your apparant assumption that illegal aliens cause gun violence is not supported by any facts at all.

But it does reflect your own bigotry.

Guns don’t kill people. Trigger pullers do. The Democrats have flooded the nation with criminal illegal aliens.