What the Palestinian Authority Thinks Concerning a Palestinians State in the WB

[toastman]

And after Israel declared independence, the Palestinian Arabs weren't 'defending' anything'. They were on the attacking side. Israel was already created , and it wasn't Israeli troops who started moving towards the Palestinians territories, other way around

Is that why all the fighting was in Palestine where Israel troops were before the start of the 1948 war

Israeli troops eminated from Israel. They were defending their newly found state (this is not up for debate really. But you're P.f Tinmore, sooo)

At this point, what were the Palestinians defending ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well if they ever did manage to cross into Isreli territory, then you're wrong. I think Israel managed to make the fight only outside of the land that Israel had just declared independence in.

Where was that? What land did they declare?

I won't answer you if you start playing stupid

Just quote from Israel's declaration of independence. I don't see where they declared any land.

 

[toastman]

And after Israel declared independence, the Palestinian Arabs weren't 'defending' anything'. They were on the attacking side. Israel was already created , and it wasn't Israeli troops who started moving towards the Palestinians territories, other way around

Is that why all the fighting was in Palestine where Israel troops were before the start of the 1948 war

Even you are calling them 'Israeli troops'
At this point in history that we are talking about, what was an 'Israeli' ?

 

[toastman]

Where was that? What land did they declare?

I won't answer you if you start playing stupid

Just quote from Israel's declaration of independence. I don't see where they declared any land.

So by that logic, Israel doesn't even exist today , right ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

And after Israel declared independence, the Palestinian Arabs weren't 'defending' anything'. They were on the attacking side. Israel was already created , and it wasn't Israeli troops who started moving towards the Palestinians territories, other way around

Is that why all the fighting was in Palestine where Israel troops were before the start of the 1948 war

Israeli troops eminated from Israel. They were defending their newly found state (this is not up for debate really. But you're P.f Tinmore, sooo)

At this point, what were the Palestinians defending ?

Israel was cleansing Palestinian civilians from their homes before the start of the 1948 war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I won't answer you if you start playing stupid

Just quote from Israel's declaration of independence. I don't see where they declared any land.

So by that logic, Israel doesn't even exist today , right ??

I can't find where Israel has ever acquired any land.

 

[toastman]

Is that why all the fighting was in Palestine where Israel troops were before the start of the 1948 war

Israeli troops eminated from Israel. They were defending their newly found state (this is not up for debate really. But you're P.f Tinmore, sooo)

At this point, what were the Palestinians defending ?

Israel was cleansing Palestinian civilians from their homes before the start of the 1948 war.

Ya right. Just like you provided the link yesterday how Israel cleansed 300 000 Palestinians Arabs before the war .. Pllleeaasse

So you admit that during the 1948 Arab Israeli war, the Palestinians were not 'defending' , right ?

 

[toastman]

Just quote from Israel's declaration of independence. I don't see where they declared any land.

So by that logic, Israel doesn't even exist today , right ??

I can't find where Israel has ever acquired any land.

We've been through this so many times. It's getting annoying

You keep saying that as if Israel HAD to acquire land for their declaration of independence to have existed. Where did you read that ? I never saw a link

You seem to be making your own rules how or how not a people can create a state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was the Arab nations who opted for war, the Palestinians were part of that war.

The Arabs lost that war, which means so did the Palestinians. Now instead of having the land allotted to them in the partition plan, they had much less.

Even Abbas said it was a mistake not to accept the partition plan, would you like a link for that ?

No they didn't.

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[

Everyone who knows about that war knows full well they lost, you're the only person I ever heard say otherwise

Perhaps I am the only one who has actually read the documents instead of just believing what Israel says.

 

[toastman]

No they didn't.

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[

Everyone who knows about that war knows full well they lost, you're the only person I ever heard say otherwise

Perhaps I am the only one who has actually read the documents instead of just believing what Israel says.

What wikipedia and other links say is what Israel says ?? What ???

 

[P F Tinmore]

So by that logic, Israel doesn't even exist today , right ??

I can't find where Israel has ever acquired any land.

We've been through this so many times. It's getting annoying

You keep saying that as if Israel HAD to acquire land for their declaration of independence to have existed. Where did you read that ? I never saw a link

You seem to be making your own rules how or how not a people can create a state.

And I always get a song and dance but nobody has ever shown where Israel has acquired any land.

They are not my rules. I just post what I read.

 

[toastman]

Read what?

And when I ask you to show me a link that syas Israel had to acquire land for ..i don;t even know for what, to legally declare independence, all I get is song and dance.

 

[toastman]

And you've asked Rocco the same question 1000 times, he does an excellent job in explaining it for, but you keep brushing him off because you don't want to admit you're wrong, as if you have a stake in this debate, or as if we're going to mock you if you admit you were wrong, which of course is not the case.

 

[pbel]

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[

Everyone who knows about that war knows full well they lost, you're the only person I ever heard say otherwise

Perhaps I am the only one who has actually read the documents instead of just believing what Israel says.

What wikipedia and other links say is what Israel says ?? What ???

Toast, I believe, in my heart that you are a righteous person...but many of your cohorts are very vengeful and act as though the Palestinians are the scape-goat for all the wrong-full pain the world have produced on Jews world-wide living in un-wanted Diaspora.

I understand the pain and the hurt and hope Israel makes a Real Peace and share their know-how and prosperity with their Genetic Brothers and bring hope to the entire region.

 

[toastman]

I don't feel as if my posts are vengeful, I am just saying what I feel is right.

 

[toastman]

Ok, Tinmore.

You believe that because the Palestinians never ceded land to Israel , that their declaration of independence on the land allotted to them in the 1947 partition plan is illegal and void.

I believe the opposite. You don't believe any of the points I make nor do I of yours , so this argument , as usual, will go nowhere..
Can we just forget it and move on, because there is no chance you will believe any of what I have been saying to you, and vice versa, so what's the point ?
We always end up at a stalemate (even though I think I'm completely right...but then again so do you)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Read what?

And when I ask you to show me a link that syas Israel had to acquire land for ..i don;t even know for what, to legally declare independence, all I get is song and dance.

By contrast, the "declarative" theory defines a state as a person in international law if it meets the following criteria: 1) a defined territory; 2) a permanent population; 3) a government and 4) a capacity to enter into relations with other states. According to declarative theory, an entity's statehood is independent of its recognition by other states. The declarative model was most famously expressed in the 1933 Montevideo Convention.

Sovereign state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do I always have to look up stuff for you that you should already know?

 

[toastman]

Whoa, you didn't even come close to answering my question. And then on top of that you have the nerve to say "Why do I always have to look up stuff for you that you should already know?"

Fail

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ok, Tinmore.

You believe that because the Palestinians never ceded land to Israel , that their declaration of independence on the land allotted to them in the 1947 partition plan is illegal and void.

I believe the opposite. You don't believe any of the points I make nor do I of yours , so this argument , as usual, will go nowhere..
Can we just forget it and move on, because there is no chance you will believe any of what I have been saying to you, and vice versa, so what's the point ?
We always end up at a stalemate (even though I think I'm completely right...but then again so do you)

Because the land that was allotted to Israel was never transferred to Israel because the partition plan was never implemented. That land would have been transferred to Israel only if the Palestinians approved. They did not.

 

[toastman]

Ok, Tinmore.

You believe that because the Palestinians never ceded land to Israel , that their declaration of independence on the land allotted to them in the 1947 partition plan is illegal and void.

I believe the opposite. You don't believe any of the points I make nor do I of yours , so this argument , as usual, will go nowhere..
Can we just forget it and move on, because there is no chance you will believe any of what I have been saying to you, and vice versa, so what's the point ?
We always end up at a stalemate (even though I think I'm completely right...but then again so do you)

Because the land that was allotted to Israel was never transferred to Israel because the partition plan was never implemented. That land would have been transferred to Israel only if the Palestinians approved. They did not.

Link ?