What The Mueller Report ACTUALLY States

[caddo kid]

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House.

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

What does Mueller have to tell the house that he did not include in the report?
If it is relevant, and compelling enough to trigger impeachment, why was it not in the report?
I love the open, unmitigated desperation of the left. Just love it.

You have not read the report.

You cannot answer my questions.

If you read the report, like you claim, then you already know what's in the report.

So, STOP badgering other members.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

What does Mueller have to tell the house that he did not include in the report?
If it is relevant, and compelling enough to trigger impeachment, why was it not in the report?
I love the open, unmitigated desperation of the left. Just love it.

You have not read the report.

You cannot answer my questions.

If you read the report, like you claim, then you already know what's in the report.

You cannot answer my questions either? Huh.
I detect a pattern.

So, STOP badgering other members.

Stop lying to yourself.

 

[dudmuck]

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House.

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

What does Mueller have to tell the house that he did not include in the report?
If it is relevant, and compelling enough to trigger impeachment, why was it not in the report?

I love the open, unmitigated desperation of the left. Just love it.

Why wasnt it included in the report?
It probably was, but its redacted from us.

We need the congress members who have read the redacted portions to ask Mueller questions, so we can understand what high crimes could have been committed.

Why are we in this situation?
Because we dont have an AG, Hannity is the AG.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House.

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

What does Mueller have to tell the house that he did not include in the report?
If it is relevant, and compelling enough to trigger impeachment, why was it not in the report?
I love the open, unmitigated desperation of the left. Just love it.

Why wasnt it included in the report?
It probably was, but its redacted from us.

LOLOLOLOLOL
You're a good useful idiot. Your masters are proud.

 

[Wry Catcher]

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice.

Nope.
But there does need to be corrupt intent.
Mueller said , absent collusion/conspiracy with the Russians, other motives for Trump's possibly obstructive actions must be considered, and thus corrupt intent, necessary for the crime of obstruction, cannot te proven.

From the Mueller Report:

Mueller pulls no punches in describing the president’s responses as “inadequate.” He notes at least 30 occasions where Trump indicated that he “does not ‘recall’ or ‘remember’ or have an ‘independent recollection’” of information requested, while answers Trump did provide were often “incomplete or imprecise.” In response, Mueller renewed his request for an in-person interview so that his team would be able to refresh the president’s recollection and ask follow-up questions. “[T]his is the President’s opportunity to voluntarily provide us with information for us to evaluate in the context of all of the evidence we have gathered[,]” he wrote to Trump’s attorneys. The president, however, again declined.

LINK: ‘Cooperation’ and ‘Corrupt Intent’ in Barr’s Obstruction Analysis

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Or understanding of the law, or willingness to accept the truth.

Or have an actual discussion

I have brought the greater majority of factual info to the thread

All you have brought is your bullshit troll scheme

Name one fact you brought in that shows a crime?

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice. Look up on your computer the US Code which defines the crime of obstruction. Not only has Trump worked to defend himself, he and Barr are working to establish the Investigation was a witch hunt.

Well, Mr. Mueller never found any witches, but his job description was not to indict, but to seek the truth. I have no doubt Mueller and his team were ethical, and Trump and his hand picked team are not.

Then what would he have obstructed? Can’t obstruct a nothing burger. And mueller knew that. I get you don’t understand why would you, you don’t think for yourself

Then what would he have obstructed? Can’t obstruct a nothing burger. And mueller knew that. I get you don’t understand why would you, you don’t think for

The investigation was obstructed. The act of obstructing the investigation is the crime regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

 

[caddo kid]

I have brought the greater majority of factual info to the thread

All you have brought is your bullshit troll scheme

Name one fact you brought in that shows a crime?

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice. Look up on your computer the US Code which defines the crime of obstruction. Not only has Trump worked to defend himself, he and Barr are working to establish the Investigation was a witch hunt.

Well, Mr. Mueller never found any witches, but his job description was not to indict, but to seek the truth. I have no doubt Mueller and his team were ethical, and Trump and his hand picked team are not.

Then what would he have obstructed? Can’t obstruct a nothing burger. And mueller knew that. I get you don’t understand why would you, you don’t think for yourself

Looks like you MISSED the OP. Try paying attention dumb ass.

Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g. , United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that "obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime"). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.

What’s the underlying crime? I asked you for those facts

re: post #1

I keep hearing members here @ USMB make really stupid statements concerning the Mueller investigation. One of the dumbest implications I constantly hear from USMB members is that there was no crime so, there could be no obstruction. That is complete baloney folks.

If we look at Volume II of the report, page 368 of the PDF, section L., Overarching Factual Issues, we can learn there is precedent law in place that precludes any underlying crime from an obstruction process. Please see the below from page 369 of the PDF of the Mueller report.

U.S. Department of Justice Atter11ey Werk Preettet // May Cetttaitt Material Preteetee U11eer Fee. R . Cril'H. P. 6(e) Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g. , United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that "obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime"). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.


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YOU really need to start reading the thread & stop asking questions that have ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, dumb ass.

 

[caddo kid]

I have brought the greater majority of factual info to the thread...

Doesn't look like the factual info will change anything though, the Mueller inquisition made the #resistance look like a bunch of traumatized Hillary disciples desperately trying to blame the screwup of the psycho princess on the evil Russians so they won't have to admit she sucked so much that even a ridiculous orange clown could beat her...

Mueller's report documented 10 instances in which Trump & Trump directed associates attempted to obstruct the investigation.

The only reason Trump was not indicted is because he is POTUS.

If Trump were not POTUS he would have already been charged with multiple counts of obstruction.

I'm sure that's the kind of POTUS you are proud of.

I prefer integrity & honesty; Trump is a lying sack of obstructing shit.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"What lies?" That's the stupidest rebuttal yet.

From the get go: "Mexico will pay for the wall", followed by 10,000 plus other efforts to mislead the public:

• on his taxes,
• the size of the crowd when he took the other of office,
• on his wealth,
• on his extra-marital affairs,
• on his successes with Kim, Putin and XI.

/——/ prove they are lies and we need more that you’d warped opinion. Did Trump give a deadline for paying for the wall? Did he say how they would pay? He’s under constant audit, so he got you there. Did anyone make an exact crowd headcount? Then it’s his opinion, Ok on the extra material affairs if you count lying to his wife about them. He is in process with negotiations. How is that a lie?

Q. Did Trump give a deadline for paying for the wall?
A. Nope.

Q. Did he say how he would pay
A. Nope.

Q. He's under audit, so he got you there
A. Huh, only Trump, and he has zero credibility.

Q. Do you know the meaning of biddable
A. Look in a mirror'

Q. on the extra material affairs if you count lying to his wife about them (Extra Martial Affairs).
A. Only his wives, you believe that too?

"extra material affairs"

Awww, you're not quite as educated as you made out.

I'm not perfect: I'm reading posts; watching the Sharks and Blues; responding to nitwits like you; and taking some time to read a novel.

BTW: Blues are up 2-0 at the end of the first period and I can smell my wife's casserole which is very aromatic; I only had a yogurt, some unsalted nuts and an apple for lunch.

Sorry son, you're a fraud.

Post the evidence.

 

[M14 Shooter]

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice.

Nope.
But there does need to be corrupt intent.
Mueller said , absent collusion/conspiracy with the Russians, other motives for Trump's possibly obstructive actions must be considered, and thus corrupt intent, necessary for the crime of obstruction, cannot be proven.

From the Mueller Report:

That's not from the Mueller report, that's from an op-ed about the Mueller report.
And in no rational, reasoned, and non-bigoted mind does this qualify as Mueller describing, declaring or even implying Trump acted with corrupt intent.

Please feel free to show us again how desperate you are to avoid the truth.

 

[M14 Shooter]

YOU really need to start reading the thread & stop asking questions that have ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, dumb ass.

And YOU, dumb-ass, need to stop lying to yourself.

Obstruction of justice requires demonstrably corrupt intent, as discussed at length in the Mueller report.
Nowhere does Mueller claim, discuss, declare, or even imply that Trump acted with said intent - in fact, he said that other motives needed to be examined because the absence of a crime to cover up necessitate doing so.

If you read the report, you;d know this.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Mueller's report documented 10 instances in which Trump & Trump directed associates attempted to obstruct the investigation.

And not once does Mueller attribute these actions to a corrupt intent.
Obstruction of justice requires demonstrably corrupt intent, as discussed at length in the Mueller report.
If you read the report, you;d know this.

 

[Wry Catcher]

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice.

Nope.
But there does need to be corrupt intent.
Mueller said , absent collusion/conspiracy with the Russians, other motives for Trump's possibly obstructive actions must be considered, and thus corrupt intent, necessary for the crime of obstruction, cannot be proven.

From the Mueller Report:

That's not from the Mueller report, that's from an op-ed about the Mueller report.
And in no rational, reasoned, and non-bigoted mind does this qualify as Mueller describing, declaring or even implying Trump acted with corrupt intent.

Please feel free to show us again how desperate you are to avoid the truth.

Once again, you are the liar and won't read the links. For the readers interested in the truth, see:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955249/Report.pdf#page=417

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955249/Report.pdf#page=418

and not the biddable fools like M14shooter and his damn lies and spreading of the RW propaganda of trump's lies.

 

[caddo kid]

For the last time, there needn't be a crime for someone to obstruct justice.

Nope.
But there does need to be corrupt intent.
Mueller said , absent collusion/conspiracy with the Russians, other motives for Trump's possibly obstructive actions must be considered, and thus corrupt intent, necessary for the crime of obstruction, cannot be proven.

From the Mueller Report:

That's not from the Mueller report, that's from an op-ed about the Mueller report.
And in no rational, reasoned, and non-bigoted mind does this qualify as Mueller describing, declaring or even implying Trump acted with corrupt intent.

Please feel free to show us again how desperate you are to avoid the truth.

Once again, you are the liar and won't read the links. For the readers interested in the truth, see:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955249/Report.pdf#page=417

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955249/Report.pdf#page=418

and not the biddable fools like M14shooter and his damn lies and spreading of the RW propaganda of trump's lies.

That ******* ****** piece of shit has been spamming this thread ad infinitum with his 'corrupt intent' bull shit, which has been addressed more times than Trump & his pussies obstructed the investigation.

Too bad he just keeps on SCREAMING 'corrupt intent' for 30 something pages without bringing any other subject into the discussion.

Oh well; it's obvious he is stuck soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far up Trump's colon that I guess he really has nothing else than his fantasies.

 

[jc456]

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House.

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

He did, gave them their report they asked for! No charges , it’s over. No honest blood cell in their bodies

Trump is so innocent, he's trying to block Mueller from testifying.

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction

Mueller left open the door for congressional consideration of Trump’s conduct. “With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” Mueller wrote.

Mueller reports to him. Two years seems reasonable to fk up a family. So you can get fkd

 

[dudmuck]

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House.

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

He did, gave them their report they asked for! No charges , it’s over. No honest blood cell in their bodies

Trump is so innocent, he's trying to block Mueller from testifying.

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction

Mueller left open the door for congressional consideration of Trump’s conduct. “With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” Mueller wrote.

Mueller reports to him. Two years seems reasonable to fk up a family. So you can get fkd

Mueller did all the work prior to Barr.

and congress has the power to prevent the executive branch from obstructing justice, and to have Mueller testify before congress.

 

[caddo kid]

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

He did, gave them their report they asked for! No charges , it’s over. No honest blood cell in their bodies

Trump is so innocent, he's trying to block Mueller from testifying.

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction

Mueller left open the door for congressional consideration of Trump’s conduct. “With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” Mueller wrote.

Mueller reports to him. Two years seems reasonable to fk up a family. So you can get fkd

Mueller did all the work prior to Barr.

and congress has the power to prevent the executive branch from obstructing justice, and to have Mueller testify before congress.

who in Hell does that 'popeye' jack ass think he is? Barron?

 

[Ame®icano]

You’re beating a decomposed horse. Enough with this shit

The thread is a learning opportunity for the greater majority of USMB members; those that believe they already know what the report states, when in fact these members DON'T know what they speak of.

Thanks for letting us know you desire to stay ignorant.

Tramp is obstructing right now, refusing to submit documents and obstructing testimonies to the House. Barr is in contempt, he should step down.

Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

 

[caddo kid]

There seems to be some confusion concerning what the SC Mueller report actually contains.

Many here @ USMB seem to love to discuss the Mueller report but it is pretty obvious that 99.99% of the members here that comment on the report have NOT read the report.
I believe we need to set the record straight on a couple of the FACTS within the Mueller report.

I keep hearing members here @ USMB make really stupid statements concerning the Mueller investigation. One of the dumbest implications I constantly hear from USMB members is that there was no crime so, there could be no obstruction. That is complete baloney folks.

If we look at Volume II of the report, page 368 of the PDF, section L., Overarching Factual Issues, we can learn there is precedent law in place that precludes any underlying crime from an obstruction process. Please see the below from page 369 of the PDF of the Mueller report.

U.S. Department of Justice Atter11ey Werk Preettet // May Cetttaitt Material Preteetee U11eer Fee. R . Cril'H. P. 6(e) Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g. , United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that "obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime"). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.



Now, on to the next observation. Many members here @ USMB continue to (erroneously) voice that there was NO obstruction by Trump, and/or no attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation.
That is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

The numerous attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation can be learned by reading pages 224 to 448 of the PDF.

So, in conclusion, I hope this will help to educate the many here @ USMB that continue to make erroneous claims concerning the Mueller report, Trump’s documented attempts to obstruct the investigation, and the fact that there is NO need to prove any underlying criminal activity to pursue an obstruction case.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

You’re welcome.

Thank you for attempting to educate the illiterate low IQ cons.

Try posting some topical content instead of posting pictures of you & your fantasies ..............

 

[jc456]

When does the house vote to impeach?

When Mueller testifies to the House.

He did, gave them their report they asked for! No charges , it’s over. No honest blood cell in their bodies

Trump is so innocent, he's trying to block Mueller from testifying.

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction

Mueller left open the door for congressional consideration of Trump’s conduct. “With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” Mueller wrote.

Mueller reports to him. Two years seems reasonable to fk up a family. So you can get fkd

Mueller did all the work prior to Barr.

and congress has the power to prevent the executive branch from obstructing justice, and to have Mueller testify before congress.

No no they don’t! It’s your error. Mueller was a prosecutor and did not find a fking thing! I’m happy to see the crime . Come on smart ass