What the Chauvin trial reveals.

[jc456]

When he was handcuffed? I don't know. I don't like being handcuffed either. I was arrested once and slipped out of my cuffs. Do you think they put the cuffs on black people that loose? Not a ******* chance.

what is the solution to not get handcuffed?

 

[sealybobo]

Why would they need to pick up and stuff Floyd in the back seat if he was cooperating and not fighting?

actually, why would the bystander tell floyd to stop resisting he wouldn't win?

Because he was struggling for his life.

Rigby5 --you need to let Rigby know that, he said he wasn't struggling at all. hmmmmm strange shit.

Yea but he was handcuffed and helpless. No need to continue putting your knee in his neck.

And you guys call us racists? You approve when cops murder black men this way?

Call me a racist all you want, blacks aren't buying this reverse discrimination bullshit and neither am I.

Handcuffed and """HELPLESS""" you have not had the honor of dealing with a whole lot of AGITATED
persons-----have you

You'd be surprised. And no one I ever had to deal with was handcuffed.

But this one drunk was surprisingly strong. I had his head between my legs and I gave him an atomic wedgy. He literally with his head and neck lifted me up in the air but then I just chopped his arms out from under him.

My neighbor I hear got a drunk driving and it took 7 cops to hold him down. Drunk strength.

 

[jc456]

Why would they need to pick up and stuff Floyd in the back seat if he was cooperating and not fighting?

actually, why would the bystander tell floyd to stop resisting he wouldn't win?

Why would the bystandards tell the cop to stop you're murdering the guy? But he knew better. He was defiant. Not going to listen to anyone. Even though that cop had a record of being violent. I bet he didn't think he was going to murder that guy but guess what? He did and now he's a cop in jail getting bf'ed.

cause they had no idea what was the previous 20 minutes.

 

[jc456]

Why would they need to pick up and stuff Floyd in the back seat if he was cooperating and not fighting?

actually, why would the bystander tell floyd to stop resisting he wouldn't win?

Because he was struggling for his life.

Rigby5 --you need to let Rigby know that, he said he wasn't struggling at all. hmmmmm strange shit.

Yea but he was handcuffed and helpless. No need to continue putting your knee in his neck.

And you guys call us racists? You approve when cops murder black men this way?

Call me a racist all you want, blacks aren't buying this reverse discrimination bullshit and neither am I.

Handcuffed and """HELPLESS""" you have not had the honor of dealing with a whole lot of AGITATED
persons-----have you

You'd be surprised. And no one I ever had to deal with was handcuffed.

But this one drunk was surprisingly strong. I had his head between my legs and I gave him an atomic wedgy. He literally with his head and neck lifted me up in the air but then I just chopped his arms out from under him.

My neighbor I hear got a drunk driving and it took 7 cops to hold him down. Drunk strength.

and cops know that. it's amazing. idiots standing and yelling have no idea because they stand and scream and video. no idea about the life of a cop and who they deal with.

 

[PoliticalChic]

George Floyd was the victim of the Great Society, the War on Poverty, and Affirmative Action, not Derek Chauvin.

George Floyd was the victim of Derek Chauvin kneeling on his neck for eight minutes cutting off oxygen.

All while being handcuffed and surrounded by three armed policemen

George Floyd was a dead man walking and you know it. No matter what the cops did or didn't do - he was a dead man - of his own doing. He was filled to the rim with fentanyl and was OD'ing. But yeah, blame the cops - not the asshole.

I disagree.
First of all, the reason Floyd likely had drugs in his system was to get rid of them to avoid arrest.
And arrest that is unwarranted.
The whole War on Drugs is totally illegal, as it defends the rights of no one.
And if he had ingested too many drugs, then a trip to the hospital would have prevented death.
That is not what he died from.
So everything was the fault of the cops, and the cops did everything wrong.

Prove to me that the "arrest" was unwarranted. If he was fighting police officers - he was committing a crime. So again, prove to me that the arrest was "unwarranted"....

It has been the Democrat doctrine that black folks are not held to the same legal standards as others.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Archives | The Philadelphia Inquirer
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

b. "There is an activist judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested for
violent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)

 

[irosie91]

MOST SAD----is, IMEO ---that which seems to be to
BE FACT------"people of color" (the new racial designation) CLAIM to have RIGHT to perverse
and deprave standards------and that "claim and
right" has been accepted as the political A LA MODE
path to voter popularity

 

[Ray9]

I repeat: The failures of the Great Society and the War on Poverty have to be covered somehow. The narrative is that if it wasn't for you damned white people, it would have worked! So the government along with the schools are creating ideological Manchurian candidates out of innocent impressionable children to blame their parents and grandparents for destroying society just like Stalin and Mao did.

Nobody hates blacks for being black but millions of kids are being brainwashed to hate themselves for being white. The government of course, will fix everything just like it did in Cuba.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes they do. So you agree, the police need to be reformed.

Congress needs to be reformed, let's start there.

Michigan Legislature needs to be reformed. Our state is so gerrimandered that even though more people vote Democratic the GOP controls both houses. We have 2 Democratic Senators but yet we don't control either state house? Impossible. So the will of the people is not being served. The will of the top 1% is.

well they write the laws. if you all don't want criminals stopped from killing people you should rewrite the law and say that.

Not disagreeing, but the legislation has to be flexible since all situations can't be anticipated exactly.
So police have leeway.
And they are abusing it.

Or example, police point guns at people for no reason.
If anyone else did that, they would be arrested, because that IS illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

...
guilty criminals always say they didn't do anything. kind of funny you believe them. You truly have no intelligence. Again, you should get the legislature to change the law and allow criminals to commit crimes and the cops then won't get called.

Innocent people also day they did not do anything.
The laws already say what the police are doing is illegal.
For example, no-knock warrants, searches of vehicles without warrants, telling drivers to get out of their vehicle, shooting fleeing suspects, pointing guns at people for no reason, etc.
Police get their exceptional privileges from the fact prosecutors, lawyers, and judges are corrupt.
They are like a little social club, out for each other and with no regard for the rest of society.

 

[Rigby5]

If Floyd was wealthy, they would not have tried to arrest him at all.

I doubt he would have passed a counterfeit bill. just saying. you all act like chauvin was driving around looking for Floyd. so disingenuous. If Floyd doesn't create the chaos, there'd have been no chaos. I don't push the fault of one onto others ever.

Floyd created the entire experience. on him and only him.

What chaos?
I saw no chaos.
I saw Floyd being passive.
I only saw the police being abusive and hostile.
The $20 bill was never even substantiated as counterfeit, nor would that allow for Floyd to be arrested.

you missed the entire video then. sorry to hear that. then you aren't qualified to discuss this.

No, the majority of the video shows Floyd calm and cooperative.
When they try to stuff him sideways into the backseat of the little SUV, there is some sort of concern that ends with them taking him back out, but I saw no struggles, kicking, etc., from Floyd, etc., EVER.

Why would they need to pick up and stuff Floyd in the back seat if he was cooperating and not fighting?

Because he was starting to lose consciousness.
It was the exact opposite of fighting.
He was becoming immobile.

 

[Rigby5]

I repeat: The failures of the Great Society and the War on Poverty have to be covered somehow. The narrative is that if it wasn't for you damned white people, it would have worked! So the government along with the schools are creating ideological Manchurian candidates out of innocent impressionable children to blame their parents and grandparents for destroying society just like Stalin and Mao did.

Nobody hates blacks for being black but millions of kids are being brainwashed to hate themselves for being white. The government of course, will fix everything just like it did in Cuba.

I think you miss the real struggle.
You can't just do Laissiz-faire capitalism, because those with enough capital under their control, can and do create economic slavery.
So you need some big government in order to regulate big business from being abusive.

But places like Cuba are not where government gets too big and out of control.
Cuba is where the same evil capitalists took over the government.
Cuba is not at all socialist in any way, except maybe education and health care.
There is nothing else that is collective, communal, or cooperative.
And if there were more collective, communal, and cooperative ventures in Cuba, then Cuba would be great.

 

[sealybobo]

I repeat: The failures of the Great Society and the War on Poverty have to be covered somehow. The narrative is that if it wasn't for you damned white people, it would have worked! So the government along with the schools are creating ideological Manchurian candidates out of innocent impressionable children to blame their parents and grandparents for destroying society just like Stalin and Mao did.

Nobody hates blacks for being black but millions of kids are being brainwashed to hate themselves for being white. The government of course, will fix everything just like it did in Cuba.

What we are seeing here is blue collar white people finally realizing that to the rich, they are N**$rs too. Only these white people listened to Donald Trump. Instead of realizing it was rich white guys like Donald Trump who fucked them, they believe Donald Trump when he says it's colored people who are ruining America for them. Colored and gay people.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes they do. So you agree, the police need to be reformed.

Congress needs to be reformed, let's start there.

Michigan Legislature needs to be reformed. Our state is so gerrimandered that even though more people vote Democratic the GOP controls both houses. We have 2 Democratic Senators but yet we don't control either state house? Impossible. So the will of the people is not being served. The will of the top 1% is.

well they write the laws. if you all don't want criminals stopped from killing people you should rewrite the law and say that.

Let's re write the laws that say cops can't murder people they take into custody. And make them wear body cams when it such situations.

 

[jc456]

Yes they do. So you agree, the police need to be reformed.

Congress needs to be reformed, let's start there.

Michigan Legislature needs to be reformed. Our state is so gerrimandered that even though more people vote Democratic the GOP controls both houses. We have 2 Democratic Senators but yet we don't control either state house? Impossible. So the will of the people is not being served. The will of the top 1% is.

well they write the laws. if you all don't want criminals stopped from killing people you should rewrite the law and say that.

Let's re write the laws that say cops can't murder people they take into custody. And make them wear body cams when it such situations.

Impossible, that implies compliance and that never happens. Nope, just legalize crime.

stand up big guy. Proud boi huh?

 

[Montrovant]

he still doesn't know that Zimmerman isn't white. That mere fact blows up his entire thesis.

Zimmerman was white (according to Sealy) because Sealy's a racist who is exploiting blacks because Sealy is a racist.

It it politically served Sealy for Zimmerman to be Latino, Sealy would suddenly get that he's Latino.

It's like Asians and Jews who go back and forth as people of color or whites as Sealy and the Nazi Democrats exploit them. You're either a white man or Democrats exploit you. Or both as you point out with alternately Hispanic/white guy Zimmerman

Do cops pick on Latinos? Asians? Jews? Nope. Just blacks. And it doesn't even have to be in a hood. It could be a black guy living in the white suburbs. The cops treat them differently/worse.

Data confirms that police treat Black Americans with less respect

New research out of Stanford University substantiates what Black America has always known – that police officers treat Blacks differently than they do whites.

www.prisonpolicy.org

Just blacks? Really? No other minorities, just blacks.

It's whatever serves Sealy's political agenda. For example, the Hispanic Zimmerman was according to Sealy "white" because he killed a black. If the cops had killed Zimmerman, then Sealy would be screaming they killed a Hispanic.

Cops killed an armed black man Jacob Blake and it was the cops fault. Then in DC the cops killed an unarmed white woman and it was the white woman's fault.

Sealy is a racist. He says he's pro black, but when a black tries to leave his Democrat plantation, Sealy and his gang of thugs show them that the Democrat party is the party of racism, slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation and blacks are still their property.

One thing Sealy does not care about are all the blacks killed by blacks because he hasn't figured out how to exploit that.

Sealy is a sick, manipulative ****

Hispanics aren't complaining that cops are abusing/murdering them. As long as they don't have an accent they are treated just like you are by the cops.

You just love to make blanket statements about racial groups, don't you?

I wonder, did you ever hear of stop and frisk? That wasn't opposed just for targeting blacks, but rather blacks and Latinos.

How about this? :
Or this? : ‘We’re suffering the same abuses’: Latinos hear their stories echoed in police brutality protests
Or this? : Why aren't more people talking about Latinos killed by police?
Or this? : It’s time to talk about police violence against Latinos
Or this? : Say Their Names: Latino Lives Lost to Police Brutality (OPINION)
Or this? : OPINION: Stop ignoring the police killings of Latinos

And it's not just blacks and Latinos, of course : The forgotten minority in police shootings - CNN

Native Lives Matter: The Overlooked Police Brutality Against Native Americans.

Jason Pero is tragically the latest name in the trend of violence against Native Americans by law enforcement.

lakotalaw.org

But other minorities don't have any problems with police, right?

Yes they do. So you agree, the police need to be reformed.

Like I said to someone else yesterday, raising the minimum wage would mostly help the black community because a very large percentage of blacks work for minimum wage. Whites not so much.

So reforming police will mostly help blacks, but it will also help other minorities and even white guys like me who have run into dickhead cops with attitudes.

Did you see this morning a latino man was murdered by cops. It's bullshit. Has to stop.

Outrage grows as new video shows Latino man dying after Bay Area police pin him for 4 minutes

Outrage grows as new video shows Latino man dying after Bay Area police pin him for 4 minutes

Mario Gonzalez can be heard saying, 'I didn't do nothing, OK?' before losing consciousness. Family members compare his death to George Floyd's.

www.latimes.com

You told someone that a "very large percentage of blacks work for minimum wage," did you? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1.8% of blacks work at or below minimum wage. To compare, 1.2% of Asians, 1.3% of Latinos, and 1.4% of whites work at or below minimum wage.

As for those making minimum wage, for blacks it's 0.5%, Asians 0.1%, Latinos 0.3%, whites 0.3%.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2020/pdf/home.pdf

Do you consider 0.5% to be a "very large percentage"?

There's nothing wrong with police reform, nor with helping minority communities. There is, however, something wrong with tossing around a bunch of generalizations (some of which are false) and incorrect statements.

 

[Utilitarian]

If we had listened to the pleas of the people back in 1995 we might be in a better place today.

Depends on which pleas you're referring to. If it's the ones demanding racial appeasement, we'd just be further along the South African trajectory now.

We'll get there soon enough though.

 

[pknopp]

If we had listened to the pleas of the people back in 1995 we might be in a better place today.

Depends on which pleas you're referring to. If it's the ones demanding racial appeasement, we'd just be further along the South African trajectory now.

We'll get there soon enough though.

A former Georgia sheriff's deputy said he wanted to charge Black people with felonies to prevent them from voting, court documents show

 

[sealybobo]

he still doesn't know that Zimmerman isn't white. That mere fact blows up his entire thesis.

Zimmerman was white (according to Sealy) because Sealy's a racist who is exploiting blacks because Sealy is a racist.

It it politically served Sealy for Zimmerman to be Latino, Sealy would suddenly get that he's Latino.

It's like Asians and Jews who go back and forth as people of color or whites as Sealy and the Nazi Democrats exploit them. You're either a white man or Democrats exploit you. Or both as you point out with alternately Hispanic/white guy Zimmerman

Do cops pick on Latinos? Asians? Jews? Nope. Just blacks. And it doesn't even have to be in a hood. It could be a black guy living in the white suburbs. The cops treat them differently/worse.

Data confirms that police treat Black Americans with less respect

New research out of Stanford University substantiates what Black America has always known – that police officers treat Blacks differently than they do whites.

www.prisonpolicy.org

Just blacks? Really? No other minorities, just blacks.

It's whatever serves Sealy's political agenda. For example, the Hispanic Zimmerman was according to Sealy "white" because he killed a black. If the cops had killed Zimmerman, then Sealy would be screaming they killed a Hispanic.

Cops killed an armed black man Jacob Blake and it was the cops fault. Then in DC the cops killed an unarmed white woman and it was the white woman's fault.

Sealy is a racist. He says he's pro black, but when a black tries to leave his Democrat plantation, Sealy and his gang of thugs show them that the Democrat party is the party of racism, slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation and blacks are still their property.

One thing Sealy does not care about are all the blacks killed by blacks because he hasn't figured out how to exploit that.

Sealy is a sick, manipulative ****

Hispanics aren't complaining that cops are abusing/murdering them. As long as they don't have an accent they are treated just like you are by the cops.

You just love to make blanket statements about racial groups, don't you?

I wonder, did you ever hear of stop and frisk? That wasn't opposed just for targeting blacks, but rather blacks and Latinos.

How about this? :
Or this? : ‘We’re suffering the same abuses’: Latinos hear their stories echoed in police brutality protests
Or this? : Why aren't more people talking about Latinos killed by police?
Or this? : It’s time to talk about police violence against Latinos
Or this? : Say Their Names: Latino Lives Lost to Police Brutality (OPINION)
Or this? : OPINION: Stop ignoring the police killings of Latinos

And it's not just blacks and Latinos, of course : The forgotten minority in police shootings - CNN

Native Lives Matter: The Overlooked Police Brutality Against Native Americans.

Jason Pero is tragically the latest name in the trend of violence against Native Americans by law enforcement.

lakotalaw.org

But other minorities don't have any problems with police, right?

Yes they do. So you agree, the police need to be reformed.

Like I said to someone else yesterday, raising the minimum wage would mostly help the black community because a very large percentage of blacks work for minimum wage. Whites not so much.

So reforming police will mostly help blacks, but it will also help other minorities and even white guys like me who have run into dickhead cops with attitudes.

Did you see this morning a latino man was murdered by cops. It's bullshit. Has to stop.

Outrage grows as new video shows Latino man dying after Bay Area police pin him for 4 minutes

Outrage grows as new video shows Latino man dying after Bay Area police pin him for 4 minutes

Mario Gonzalez can be heard saying, 'I didn't do nothing, OK?' before losing consciousness. Family members compare his death to George Floyd's.

www.latimes.com

You told someone that a "very large percentage of blacks work for minimum wage," did you? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1.8% of blacks work at or below minimum wage. To compare, 1.2% of Asians, 1.3% of Latinos, and 1.4% of whites work at or below minimum wage.

As for those making minimum wage, for blacks it's 0.5%, Asians 0.1%, Latinos 0.3%, whites 0.3%.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2020/pdf/home.pdf

Do you consider 0.5% to be a "very large percentage"?

There's nothing wrong with police reform, nor with helping minority communities. There is, however, something wrong with tossing around a bunch of generalizations (some of which are false) and incorrect statements.

I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t believe women and people of color will benefit most from raising minimum wage.

The demographic that will benefit the least is white men btw

 

[Utilitarian]

If we had listened to the pleas of the people back in 1995 we might be in a better place today.

Depends on which pleas you're referring to. If it's the ones demanding racial appeasement, we'd just be further along the South African trajectory now.

We'll get there soon enough though.

A former Georgia sheriff's deputy said he wanted to charge Black people with felonies to prevent them from voting, court documents show

To be fair, I think felons should be allowed to vote once they have served their time, as long as they didn't commit any election-related felonies. Those kind of felonies should permanently remove voting rights.

 

[pknopp]

If we had listened to the pleas of the people back in 1995 we might be in a better place today.

Depends on which pleas you're referring to. If it's the ones demanding racial appeasement, we'd just be further along the South African trajectory now.

We'll get there soon enough though.

A former Georgia sheriff's deputy said he wanted to charge Black people with felonies to prevent them from voting, court documents show

To be fair, I think felons should be allowed to vote once they have served their time, as long as they didn't commit any election-related felonies. Those kind of felonies should permanently remove voting rights.

100% agree.