What the bond market is saying about a trump win.

Well yeah it will cause inflation at first but not as bad as the inflation caused by the loss of a manufacturing base to an undercutting foreign competitor. We stupidly backed ourselves into this corner and pain is the only way out.

Do you really think that investment bankers will finance any industries here in the U.S. when they know that the industries will only be viable because of extreme tariffs?
 
Do you really think that investment bankers will finance any industries here in the U.S. when they know that the industries will only be viable because of extreme tariffs?

That's a very good point..... It's going to take more than tariffs to restart the manufacturing base here. ANNNNND....BRICS.... Is not just going to fold up and go away.
 
That's a very good point..... It's going to take more than tariffs to restart the manufacturing base here. ANNNNND....BRICS.... Is not just going to fold up and go away.
There are 173K more US manufacturing jobs as of July 2024 than the pre-pandemic figure in February 2020.
 
There are 173K more US manufacturing jobs as of July 2024 than the pre-pandemic figure in February 2020.

Well that is good news..... Nevertheless we still are not at the same stature of manufacturing prowess that brought us up through the 40s 50s and '60s..... It could be simply because we're up against more competition now. Also many of those jobs have been replaced by automatic machinery which is actually far more productive.
There was a time when we made everything we needed... I'm not saying we must go back to that condition but we could do better than we're doing now as far as sourcing is concerned.
 
I don't know if anyone is paying attention but the post election "trump bump" has all but evaporated. Partially because the bond market is predicting a return of inflation once the orange dotard starts enacting his inflationary policies.

More woulda, coulda, shoulda. Where is your indignation at Biden and his spending spree and record pardons? Run along POS.
 
I don't know if anyone is paying attention but the post election "trump bump" has all but evaporated. Partially because the bond market is predicting a return of inflation once the orange dotard starts enacting his inflationary policies.


We won't know until everything coordinates including letting up on regulations, easing the cost of energy and fixing the supply chain in general. Maybe it will be as you say maybe not.
One thing is certain we couldn't keep going where we were going.
 
Er...stock market just dropped 1,000 points.
A Powell effect!!

Stock market today: Dow, S&P 500, Nasdaq clobbered as Fed, Powell signal fewer rate cuts in 2025

Stocks were clobbered Wednesday after the Federal Reserve, despite slashing interest rates by 25 basis points, signaled it would cut fewer times next year than previously projected.

All three major reversed gains following the decision to end with steep losses. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) was down about 2.6%, or over 1,000 points, clinching its 10th straight down session, the longest losing streak since 1974. Meanwhile, the S&P 500 (^GSPC) fell roughly 3%, and tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite (^IXIC) slid more than 3.5%.


Ten Fed officials estimated two interest rate cuts next year, fewer than four seen in September, as officials marked up their projections for core inflation and economic growth next year, while lowering their forecast for the unemployment rate in 2025.

"The slower pace of cuts for next year really reflects both the higher inflation readings we had this year and the expectation inflation will be higher," Fed Chair Jerome Powell said. He added later that as long as the economy and labor market remain "solid," "we can be cautious as we consider further cuts."


Greg
 
Well that is good news..... Nevertheless we still are not at the same stature of manufacturing prowess that brought us up through the 40s 50s and '60s..... It could be simply because we're up against more competition now.
Ya think?
 
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The yield on the 20 year has gone back to where it was in the spring when inflation began to moderate.


The market is predicting a return to inflation under Dotard. That does not bode well for stock prices.
 
For the unaware, the bond market, in terms of dollars invested, is many times larger than the stock market. Long duration bond yields had been dropping for quite a while in response to the Fed getting inflation under control. More recently, bond yields have been climbing again over concern of a trump election victory. Because bond market players realize his idiotic tariff plan is inflationary.
The only reason stocks and bonds went up under Biden is because it was the rich getting richer and the poor paying the price for it. That's why the working class voted for Trump and why stocks and bonds are going to fall under Trump.
 
Are you advocating that we enter in to destructive trade wars?
Here is information that Trumpers do not want to see or hear about

Do foreign investments threaten the American economy?

The impact has been clear: today, foreign direct investment directly supports nearly eight million U.S. jobs and accounts for exponentially more indirect jobs – those jobs that exist to produce the goods and services needed by FDI-funded workers.
 
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