What should the verdict be in the Floyd trial?

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And every witness the prosectution has called has undermined what you just posted....you dumb ass....the knee did nothing.....

They are going to burn the city no matter what, because they have been ruled over by democrats since 1974....so their city is a hell hole.........they have become irrational and there is no way for them to understand truth anymore.

If they let this guy go after you have him murdering a man on video, we'll deserve every city that gets burned down.

I'm out here in the Burbs, I don't care... but you might.

It's the right wing not BLM Antifa that burn the city's. They just blame the peaceful protesters.

Fact - 90% of US terrorism = right-wing convictions.

Antifa 0% of terrorist convictions.

Get your friggin facts right!

 

[dannyboys]

Ten minutes cuffed, face down, with a knee on his neck is not “self inflicted

Why didn’t Floyd just give the pack of cigarettes back? Would have avoided a call to police, right?

It wasn't just the cost to the store of the smokes. It was the amount of the change the store was out.
Hung jury. The juror/s who hang the jury will be given new identities and relocated.
A second trial will maybe happen in a couple of years........maybe.
Same result b/c the defense will make 100% certain they get pro Chavin jurors.
Eventually the Prosecution will walk away from the case. Chavin will get a new identity and with the 'GoFund Me' millions will live somewhere nice and warm in some country other than the US.
BTW. I'm NEVER wrong on these matters. Check out my posts about 'T-Boner' and 'Big Mike'.
If I could I'd tell all LE to withdraw from every fucking inner city shithole in the country and let the 'primates' continue to shit in their own beds.

 

[dannyboys]

Except one thing, audio shows Floyd complained about not be able to breathe before he was on the ground! That’s a fact

All the more reason NOT to put a knee on his neck for NINE minutes

that officer wasn't there then. All Floyd had to do was follow instructions. again, the drugs created the condition. no one else, self inflicted to his health issue.

Ten minutes cuffed, face down, with a knee on his neck is not “self inflicted “

The cause of death was a hot shot of fentanyl, and Officer Chauvin didn't administer that. It was self-inflicted, although a case has been made in some states that the pusher is responsible. How did Floyd acquire his fix? Did he steal it or cook it up himself, or did he buy it with his Fake Money?

He was vertical and breathing just fine before Chauvin showed up, you fucking idiot.
There's video from inside the store.
And senior Officer Zimmerman just buried the defense this morning.

"
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Kneeling on George Floyd ’s neck while he was handcuffed and in the prone position was “top-tier, deadly force” and “totally unnecessary,” the head of the Minneapolis Police Department’s homicide division testified Friday.

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” said Lt. Richard Zimmerman, adding that when a person is handcuffed in the prone position, “your muscles are pulling back ... and if you’re laying on your chest, that’s constricting your breathing even more.”


Lieutenant: Kneeling on Floyd’s neck ‘totally unnecessary’

Lieutenant: Kneeling on Floyd's neck 'totally unnecessary'

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Kneeling on George Floyd 's neck while he was handcuffed and lying on his stomach was top-tier, deadly force and “totally unnecessary," the head of the Minneapolis Police Department’s homicide division testified Friday.

apnews.com

Yeah. Floyd was dancing around like an organ grinder's monkey with a banana in his hand waiting to pass the phony bill..

 

[dannyboys]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

All the jurors have already been doxed.

 

[Moonglow]

3rd degree or 10-15 yrs

He'll be lucky if he see more than two to four years.

 

[FA_Q2]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

 

[FA_Q2]

3rd degree or 10-15 yrs

He'll be lucky if he see more than two to four years.

Not a chance. If he is convicted he is going away for a long time.

He either gets nothing or a significant sentence. I see almost no chance for a short sentence.

 

[forkup]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels.

Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course, the tape itself, that is hard to look at without coming to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten off of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of would have a hard time attacking anybody.

 

[FA_Q2]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels. Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course the tape itself that is hard to look at and come to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten of of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of, would have a hard time attacking anybody.

And? That has what to do with what I said?

I think he is going to end up with manslaughter myself. That does not change the fact that the points I contended were bullshit are, well, bullshit.

Do you think that using blatantly false 'facts' strengthens the case against Chauvin?

 

[forkup]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels. Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course the tape itself that is hard to look at and come to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten of of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of, would have a hard time attacking anybody.

And? That has what to do with what I said?

I think he is going to end up with manslaughter myself. That does not change the fact that the points I contended were bullshit are, well, bullshit.

Do you think that using blatantly false 'facts' strengthens the case against Chauvin?

It has to do with the fact that it makes what you said irrelevant to the case.

The question isn't if neck holds are legal. The question is. Did Chauvin use the neck hold in a way and for a reason that it can be considered a reasonable application of force.

The question isn't if it's possible to OD in this way or that way. The question is. Is it a reasonable assumption that an OD and not asphyxiation by sitting on him is the reason Floyd died?

For me personally, I'd rather be the prosecutor with the available evidence and witness testimony.

 

[FA_Q2]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels. Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course the tape itself that is hard to look at and come to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten of of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of, would have a hard time attacking anybody.

And? That has what to do with what I said?

I think he is going to end up with manslaughter myself. That does not change the fact that the points I contended were bullshit are, well, bullshit.

Do you think that using blatantly false 'facts' strengthens the case against Chauvin?

It has to do with the fact that it makes what you said irrelevant to the case.

The question isn't if neck holds are legal. The question is. Did Chauvin use the neck hold in a way and for a reason that it can be considered a reasonable application of force.

The question isn't if it's possible to OD in this way or that way. The question is. Is it a reasonable assumption that an OD and not asphyxiation by sitting on him is the reason Floyd died?

For me personally, I'd rather be the prosecutor with the available evidence and witness testimony.

So that is a yes, you actually believe that presenting arguments here with utter falsehoods in them strengthens the case against Chauvin. Wow.

 

[forkup]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels. Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course the tape itself that is hard to look at and come to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten of of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of, would have a hard time attacking anybody.

And? That has what to do with what I said?

I think he is going to end up with manslaughter myself. That does not change the fact that the points I contended were bullshit are, well, bullshit.

Do you think that using blatantly false 'facts' strengthens the case against Chauvin?

It has to do with the fact that it makes what you said irrelevant to the case.

The question isn't if neck holds are legal. The question is. Did Chauvin use the neck hold in a way and for a reason that it can be considered a reasonable application of force.

The question isn't if it's possible to OD in this way or that way. The question is. Is it a reasonable assumption that an OD and not asphyxiation by sitting on him is the reason Floyd died?

For me personally, I'd rather be the prosecutor with the available evidence and witness testimony.

So that is a yes, you actually believe that presenting arguments here with utter falsehoods in them strengthens the case against Chauvin. Wow.

Hmms, you do realize this is a strawman? Since the arguments, your railing against weren't presented in court but on an internet forum and I never said that arguments that are false help any case.

I gave you the arguments and the way they are being presented in actuality, not the ones that can be debunked easily by everybody with half a brain. That's the reason I was calling your arguments irrelevant.

But nice of you to present yourself in this way. It clarifies what kind of debater I'm talking to.

 

[task0778]

I think this charge could be the one that they convict Chauvin for. I'm not saying they will convict him or not, and not saying they should or shouldn't. But I do think Chauvin did not need to keep his knee on Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes either.

Second-degree manslaughter
To convict Chauvin of second-degree manslaughter prosecutors will need to prove the former officer caused Floyd's death by "culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another."

Minnesota state legislature said a 10-year sentence, a fine of no more than $20,000 or both is proportionate. However, state sentencing guidelines also recommend a presumptive sentence of between 41 to 57 months imprisonment.

Why Derek Chauvin is accused of both manslaughter and murder

Derek Chauvin was filmed pressing his knee into George Floyd's neck for around 9 minutes and 30 seconds.

www.newsweek.com

 

[miketx]

They are going for 3rd degree murder. Did the cop commit 3rd degree murder?

Murder in United States law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Beats me. I don't know what happened, only what the lying scum media say.

 

[Staidhup]

I hate to say it but the court will find him guilty on all charges and locked up. Mainstream media and the President have already convicted him. So where the hell did the rule of law all of a sudden go?
it’s sad to think he did exactly what he was trained to do and will now pay the price. I hope I am wrong and cities burn!

 

[FA_Q2]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

I'll try to put this in the context of how a lawyer would look at this. The defence in order to get Chauvin of need to convince 1 member of the jury that the death of Floyd is within reasonable doubt not connected to Chauvin sitting on him for nine minutes. This while he and bystanders clearly state that he can't breathe and later that he has past out. Despite multiple medical experts saying that he died from asphyxiation, something they can establish by measuring blood oxygen levels. Failing that, they have to convince one jury member that his application of force was reasonable. Something multiple police officers said it wasn't, including his captain. And of course the tape itself that is hard to look at and come to the conclusion that Chauvin couldn't have gotten of of him. Most unconscious handcuffed people I know of, would have a hard time attacking anybody.

And? That has what to do with what I said?

I think he is going to end up with manslaughter myself. That does not change the fact that the points I contended were bullshit are, well, bullshit.

Do you think that using blatantly false 'facts' strengthens the case against Chauvin?

It has to do with the fact that it makes what you said irrelevant to the case.

The question isn't if neck holds are legal. The question is. Did Chauvin use the neck hold in a way and for a reason that it can be considered a reasonable application of force.

The question isn't if it's possible to OD in this way or that way. The question is. Is it a reasonable assumption that an OD and not asphyxiation by sitting on him is the reason Floyd died?

For me personally, I'd rather be the prosecutor with the available evidence and witness testimony.

So that is a yes, you actually believe that presenting arguments here with utter falsehoods in them strengthens the case against Chauvin. Wow.

Hmms, you do realize this is a strawman? Since the arguments, your railing against weren't presented in court but on an internet forum and I never said that arguments that are false help any case.

Bullshit. It was certainly hyperbolic sarcasm but not a straw man. I was not talking about case in court. I was talking about the case being presented here and specific points in that argument as I quoted those points, you know the arguments we are discussing. Nothing whatsoever here effects the case in court as we are not in court. None of the statements I responded to were presented in court, likely because they are false. And that would, you know, hurt the prosecution's case when the defense pointed it out.

Since no one anywhere in this thread is confining themselves to strictly discussing matters confined to the court case itself, why would you assume such a thing.

I gave you the arguments and the way they are being presented in actuality, not the ones that can be debunked easily by everybody with half a brain. That's the reason I was calling your arguments irrelevant.

No, you gave me a list of some of the things the court case is dealing with that you seem to be interested in but had nothing whatsoever to do with the post I quoted. IOW, made a bunch of statements that were irrelevant to what was being discussed. That those statements were not relevant to what YOU wanted to talk about does not matter. If you do not want to discuss the quoted material, then why quote it yourself and respond?

But nice of you to present yourself in this way. It clarifies what kind of debater I'm talking to.

Oh? And what 'kind of debater' would that be? The kind that discusses things that are brought up?

Certainly not the kind that quotes a post and then addresses nothing and bitches with passive aggressive garbage about it.

 

[kaz]

And every witness the prosectution has called has undermined what you just posted....you dumb ass....the knee did nothing.....

They are going to burn the city no matter what, because they have been ruled over by democrats since 1974....so their city is a hell hole.........they have become irrational and there is no way for them to understand truth anymore.

If they let this guy go after you have him murdering a man on video, we'll deserve every city that gets burned down.

I'm out here in the Burbs, I don't care... but you might.

It's the right wing not BLM Antifa that burn the city's. They just blame the peaceful protesters.

Fact - 90% of US terrorism = right-wing convictions.

Antifa 0% of terrorist convictions.

Get your friggin facts right!

Fake news has just brainwashed you. What they do to people as gullible as you is just pathetic. They should be ashamed

 

[Rigby5]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

Wrong.
Neck holds are ALWAYS illegal EVERYWHERE (unless you have the right to use lethal force to defend against a potentially lethal attack).

There no where that neck holds are or could be legal for just restrain purposes.
They are always and everywhere to be considered lethal.
Tasers are also considered lethal.
That does not mean they always kill, but they have such a high chance of being lethal, that they can only be used in defense from a potentially lethal attack.

As for an OD on drugs, fentanyl is not toxic in any way at any concentration. An OD on fentanyl is because it suppresses and slows down nerve and muscle reactions. It takes hours for the pills to dissolve in the stomach, slowly pass through the intestinal walls, get into the blood stream, start to accumulate in the muscles and nerves, etc.

And you are totally wrong about the combination of fentanyl and methamphetamines. They totally counteract each other. One suppresses nerves and muscles, which the other stimulated them. While each can alone eventually be fatal, either takes a long time, and together it is impossible for a fatal conclusion.
The combination of things is more fatal when they both act the same way, together, like alcohol and downers both suppressing breathing.

All the witnesses said that Floyd was murdered by neck compression, and that otherwise he would not have died.

 

[FA_Q2]

I hate to say it but the court will find him guilty on all charges and locked up. Mainstream media and the President have already convicted him. So where the hell did the rule of law all of a sudden go?
it’s sad to think he did exactly what he was trained to do and will now pay the price. I hope I am wrong and cities burn!

If they lock him up then he was guilty. The MSM convicted Darren Wilson, Loehmann and Zimmerman too. None of them are in jail. Well, at least not for the shooting, no idea where Zimmerman is.

 

[FA_Q2]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

And more bullshit. Neck holds are not 'normally' illegal and, the only important fact here, they were not illegal in the area that Chauvin was in. It was not even against department standards to use the restraint Chauvin did.

That does not make him innocent but it certainly hurts the arguments he is not if you are using falsehoods.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

Wow. 1 is just bullshit and 4 is conjecture and also bullshit.

1. Unconsciousness may be a result of overdose but does not have to be and is certainly not required for drugs to kill you. at least not up until the point you actually die. Where the hell do you get the idea that you have to be knocked out for hours to OD? Further, your contention that 'fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other' is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. Indeed, taking an upper and a downer together massively increases the likelihood that you have a heart attack. Even legal products at safe levels can cause heart failure when you use an upper and a downer together, it is why they took fen-fen off the market a few decades ago. Far from counteracting each other, they increase the dangers of taking them.

4. An OD does not take hours. It is not food. You do need to digest it on order for it to get absorbed into your system. The time it takes to die from an OD depends on the size of the dose, the manner that it is taken and the type of drugs taken. The effects, like falling unconscious, also depend on the drugs as well as the dosage. Again, your assertion is pulled from thin air and an assertion that Floyd would have survived is also conjecture. We have no idea to the actual drug levels it would have taken to kill Floyd particularly in this situation when the police were adding stress as well as confinement.

Wrong.
Neck holds are ALWAYS illegal EVERYWHERE (unless you have the right to use lethal force to defend against a potentially lethal attack).

There no where that neck holds are or could be legal for just restrain purposes.
They are always and everywhere to be considered lethal.
Tasers are also considered lethal.
That does not mean they always kill, but they have such a high chance of being lethal, that they can only be used in defense from a potentially lethal attack.

That is factually wrong. Period. End of story.

There would not be moves right this minute to end the use of neck restraints if they were illegal. In Minneapolis, it is clearly not illegal.

Minneapolis police made 44 people unconscious with neck restraints

Several police experts said that number appears to be unusually high. "By using this tactic, it's a self-fulfilling tragedy," said one.

www.nbcnews.com

And this is NOT an outlier.

There is a reason you have not provided a single link to back up this claim - it is false and easily, demonstrably so. Stop repeating it.

As for an OD on drugs, fentanyl is not toxic in any way at any concentration. An OD on fentanyl is because it suppresses and slows down nerve and muscle reactions. It takes hours for the pills to dissolve in the stomach, slowly pass through the intestinal walls, get into the blood stream, start to accumulate in the muscles and nerves, etc.

And you are totally wrong about the combination of fentanyl and methamphetamines. They totally counteract each other. One suppresses nerves and muscles, which the other stimulated them. While each can alone eventually be fatal, either takes a long time, and together it is impossible for a fatal conclusion.
The combination of things is more fatal when they both act the same way, together, like alcohol and downers both suppressing breathing.

Again, bullshit.

" In addition, the meth high generally lasts longer than the heroin high, causing the person to move from a slowed heart and respiration rate to a dramatically increased one. As with normal meth use, this can lead to a sudden heart arrhythmia, increased blood pressure, and potential heart issues, such as stroke or heart failure. "

Using Heroin and Meth Together: Dangers, Treatment, and Effects on Brain and Body

Combining sedative and stimulant drugs has been attractive to people using drugs for a long time. In particular, mixing an opiate with a stimulant – common

americanaddictioncenters.org

The only thing they cancel out is the negative crashing - meth mitigates the suffering associated with coming off fentanyl but in no way, shape or form mitigates the health effects. Crashing your heart and then trying to juice it up causes it OWN physical problems. That mitigation INCREASES the dangers of drug use and increases the chances of having heart failure specifically. Stress makes that worse which is where the restraint comes in. Positioning can make that worse. Hence having Floyd on the ground comes in.

And hours?
Oral fentanyl takes effect in about 15 min.

All the witnesses said that Floyd was murdered by neck compression, and that otherwise he would not have died.

As has been said to fork, that does not change the reality that the above is false.