What percentage of Israeli settlers are terrorists?

[Sixties Fan]

A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions • this being Judgment #5
✪ Judgment of 26 March 1925 (including the text of the declaration of M. Altamira)

"In all territories detached from Turkey, either as a result of the Balkan Wars in 1913, or under the present Treaty, other than those referred to in Article 311, the State which definitely acquires the territory shall ipso facto succeed to the duties and charges of Turkey towards concessionaires and holders of contracts, referred to in the first paragraph of Article 311, and shall maintain the guarantees granted or assign equivalent ones.

"This succession shall take effect, in the case of each acquiring State, as from the coming into force of the Treaty under which the cession was effected. Such State shall take all necessary steps to ensure that the concessions may be worked and the carrying out of the contracts proceeded with without interruption.​

There was no question about Palestine being the successor state and that the territory was acquired by the state of Palestine.

2018, the new year when Tinfoil will continue to misread everything from the Balfour Declaration, to the Mandate for Palestine, to the Torah, to the Talmud, to the Declaration of Independence, to......to.....to......

Keep it up Master, as your understanding - again - of what has been explained and reexplained to you about the above has had no effect whatsoever.

Which is exactly why you live in the Midwest instead of being anyone of the people who wrote the above, but the many who do understand what it says.

One question:

For the "State of Palestine" to acquire Palestine, who was the President, PM or anything else they had in 1925 who was in charge of acquiring it, what documents did he sign, where, with what witnesses.

Where is such document now, which says that the "State of Palestine" in 1925 acquired the territory known as Palestine.

Please name the Palestinian(s) who entered in such a negotiation, who (or country/countries) they negotiated with, and the amount they paid after such a transaction , if any.

Where can we find such a document?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions • this being Judgment #5
✪ Judgment of 26 March 1925 (including the text of the declaration of M. Altamira)

"In all territories detached from Turkey, either as a result of the Balkan Wars in 1913, or under the present Treaty, other than those referred to in Article 311, the State which definitely acquires the territory shall ipso facto succeed to the duties and charges of Turkey towards concessionaires and holders of contracts, referred to in the first paragraph of Article 311, and shall maintain the guarantees granted or assign equivalent ones.

"This succession shall take effect, in the case of each acquiring State, as from the coming into force of the Treaty under which the cession was effected. Such State shall take all necessary steps to ensure that the concessions may be worked and the carrying out of the contracts proceeded with without interruption.​

There was no question about Palestine being the successor state and that the territory was acquired by the state of Palestine.

2018, the new year when Tinfoil will continue to misread everything from the Balfour Declaration, to the Mandate for Palestine, to the Torah, to the Talmud, to the Declaration of Independence, to......to.....to......

Keep it up Master, as your understanding - again - of what has been explained and reexplained to you about the above has had no effect whatsoever.

Which is exactly why you live in the Midwest instead of being anyone of the people who wrote the above, but the many who do understand what it says.

One question:

For the "State of Palestine" to acquire Palestine, who was the President, PM or anything else they had in 1925 who was in charge of acquiring it, what documents did he sign, where, with what witnesses.

Where is such document now, which says that the "State of Palestine" in 1925 acquired the territory known as Palestine.

Please name the Palestinian(s) who entered in such a negotiation, who (or country/countries) they negotiated with, and the amount they paid after such a transaction , if any.

Where can we find such a document?

Tinmore will claim that all the info you just required is in the Treaty of Lausanne. Except that the treaty doesn't mention Palestine at all. It does, however, mention Syria and Iraq. (Jordan, being part of Palestine at the time, is not mentioned either.)

 

[RoccoR]

What percentage of Israeli settlers are terrorists?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This citation changes nothing relative to the assignment of succession of authority, independence and sovereignty.

A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions • this being Judgment #5
✪ Judgment of 26 March 1925 (including the text of the declaration of M. Altamira)

"In all territories detached from Turkey, either as a result of the Balkan Wars in 1913, or under the present Treaty, other than those referred to in Article 311, the State which definitely acquires the territory shall ipso facto succeed to the duties and charges of Turkey towards concessionaires and holders of contracts, referred to in the first paragraph of Article 311, and shall maintain the guarantees granted or assign equivalent ones.

"This succession shall take effect, in the case of each acquiring State, as from the coming into force of the Treaty under which the cession was effected. Such State shall take all necessary steps to ensure that the concessions may be worked and the carrying out of the contracts proceeded with without interruption.​

There was no question about Palestine being the successor state and that the territory was acquired by the state of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

What this basically says is that, in the determination of the debt obligation, whichever authority becomes the successor, will owe the debts.

It does not assign any territory, nor make a decision on the assignment of territory. It only assigns debt owed towards concessionaires and holders of contracts.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[admonit]

A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions • this being Judgment #5
✪ Judgment of 26 March 1925 (including the text of the declaration of M. Altamira)

There was no question about Palestine being the successor state and that the territory was acquired by the state of Palestine.

Such state never existed. It's your phantom.

 

[Shusha]

This is one of the clunkers in your argument. The successor state of Palestine was already determined. Its international borders were already defined by post WWI treaties. The land inside those borders would be Palestine.

Arrrggghh. Again. So close and yet so clueless. The Treaty of Lausanne is the legal document where Turkey renounces the territory. Walk it through. Document by document. What happens next, in the legal chain of events? That territory is terra nullius, renounced by the previous sovereign. Under the sovereignty of no one. What happened next? A new sovereignty must come into being. How does that happen?

You claim that the successor State was already determined. Let's say I agree with you. How would you demonstrate that to be true? What documents would you produce or link to which demonstrate that a successor State had already been determined? What documents confirm that successor State? When and where and how does that successor State meet the four criteria for sovereignty?

And finally, regardless of the above, support your claim that the Jewish people are legally prohibited from self-determination, independence and sovereignty in their historical homeland. Let's say that everything you claim is true. (Its SO not, but let's say). That Palestine came into being in the 1920s. That the Arab people have been prevented from exercising their rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence. That there is only one State and it is "Palestine". Where is there a prohibition on dividing the territory into two parts -- one for the Arab peoples of Palestine and one for the Jewish peoples of Palestine? Be sure to include in your argument why Palestine is prohibited from division where Czechoslovakia was not, where Yugoslavia was not, where Sudan was not, where Spain/Catalonia is not, where Britain/Scotland is not, where North and South Korea are not, etc.

Bump for P F Tinmore

 

[teddyearp]

It said nothing relevant.

Never does with you.

 

[teddyearp]

What was this thread about again?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What percentage of Israeli settlers are terrorists?
※→ abi,

You should not think that way; not at all.

I am hated here because I am a Jew, but not a zionist.

(THOUGHT/OPINION)

By and large, I don't think that the members of the discussion group think of you that way.

You can be anything you want to be in this group. The logic is, we debate the validity and alternative view on the "content." We don't target the personally characteristics and attributes of the member wwhich offers the opinion for consideration.

Now, in real life, there are a few illiterates; which may, from time to time, engage in ad hominem attacks and personal slander. In any group, there will be such.

Whether or not you are Jewish, whether or not you are a Zionist, and whether or not you are a flying tomato --- it is “unimportant difference.”

Sincerely,
R

 

[flacaltenn]

Topic of the thread is about CURRENT land settlements OUTSIDE of the pre-war '67 border boundaries. Need not go back farther than that to discuss this thread. Follow that lead -- and you're "on topic". Go back further -- and you're not..

 

[abi]

The title pretty much says it all. We had a similar thread asking about the Palestinians. But I even narrowed it down for our happy discussions here.

I still can't find specific statistics, but since we are witnessing state funded terrorism, does that percentage even matter?

Israel pays for these settlements, the ADF (Apartheid Demolition Forces) protect the setters during their violent raids on innocent families. Just sickening.

 

[Shusha]

Topic of the thread is about CURRENT land settlements OUTSIDE of the pre-war '67 border boundaries. Need not go back farther than that to discuss this thread. Follow that lead -- and you're "on topic". Go back further -- and you're not..

flacaltenn, with respect, there is no reason to limit discussion of "settlers" to post 1967 or to create artificial borders which do not exist in reality. Team Palestine believes all Jews (or all synthetic Jews) are "settlers". If you would like to restrict the conversation, and I understand that you do and why, might I suggest instead that the parameters for discussion be Area C? That seems to be the area that is most relevant to the current conflict.

 

[teddyearp]

Please just give us an answer to a very simple question. This is an opinion board where we do also give links to make our point.

I've asked you to give us your opinion of what percentage.

I gave you that much respect without dodging by saying, "I can't find specific statistics" in your thread

The rest of your reply is going off topic.

Thank you in advance.

 

[flacaltenn]

Topic of the thread is about CURRENT land settlements OUTSIDE of the pre-war '67 border boundaries. Need not go back farther than that to discuss this thread. Follow that lead -- and you're "on topic". Go back further -- and you're not..

flacaltenn, with respect, there is no reason to limit discussion of "settlers" to post 1967 or to create artificial borders which do not exist in reality. Team Palestine believes all Jews (or all synthetic Jews) are "settlers". If you would like to restrict the conversation, and I understand that you do and why, might I suggest instead that the parameters for discussion be Area C? That seems to be the area that is most relevant to the current conflict.

How far back in the History of "area C" is relevant to "terrorism"? The distinction is the CURRENT political and legal basis for ANY land title changes in the "occupied" areas. When you allow the discussion to cover thousands of years (or even hundreds) -- you are faced with a panorama of 5 or 10 DIFFERENT political and legal frameworks to deal with. Anything from King Solomon to the Romans thru the British and Jordanians.

This is a CURRENT question IMO -- defined ONLY by the CURRENT legal/political realities.

 

[abi]

Please just give us an answer to a very simple question. This is an opinion board where we do also give links to make our point.

I've asked you to give us your opinion of what percentage.

I gave you that much respect without dodging by saying, "I can't find specific statistics" in your thread

The rest of your reply is going off topic.

Thank you in advance.

How is the fact that these settlements are state sponsored terrorist breeding grounds off topic?

 

[flacaltenn]

It's also the reason WHY those "thousand year questions" are now relegated to a "sticky threads" at the top of this forum. Because EVERY thread was ending in the same merry-go-round thousand year Monte Python skit and you could not tell threads apart past page 1..

 

[Shusha]

Topic of the thread is about CURRENT land settlements OUTSIDE of the pre-war '67 border boundaries. Need not go back farther than that to discuss this thread. Follow that lead -- and you're "on topic". Go back further -- and you're not..

flacaltenn, with respect, there is no reason to limit discussion of "settlers" to post 1967 or to create artificial borders which do not exist in reality. Team Palestine believes all Jews (or all synthetic Jews) are "settlers". If you would like to restrict the conversation, and I understand that you do and why, might I suggest instead that the parameters for discussion be Area C? That seems to be the area that is most relevant to the current conflict.

How far back in the History of "area C" is relevant to "terrorism"? The distinction is the CURRENT political and legal basis for ANY land title changes in the "occupied" areas. When you allow the discussion to cover thousands of years (or even hundreds) -- you are faced with a panorama of 5 or 10 DIFFERENT political and legal frameworks to deal with. Anything from King Solomon to the Romans thru the British and Jordanians.

This is a CURRENT question IMO -- defined ONLY by the CURRENT legal/political realities.

Exactly why we should be dealing with current boundaries and not the irrelevant ones from 1967. IMO. Your call, of course.

 

[Shusha]

It's also the reason WHY those "thousand year questions" are now relegated to a "sticky threads" at the top of this forum. Because EVERY thread was ending in the same merry-go-round thousand year Monte Python skit and you could not tell threads apart past page 1..

Oh, I know. I wish dearly we could have more discussion about current topics. But we keep coming round to the same topic, because that is ultimately the entire source of the conflict. The current topics and solutions thread depend on a fundamental shift in thinking.

 

[flacaltenn]

Topic of the thread is about CURRENT land settlements OUTSIDE of the pre-war '67 border boundaries. Need not go back farther than that to discuss this thread. Follow that lead -- and you're "on topic". Go back further -- and you're not..

flacaltenn, with respect, there is no reason to limit discussion of "settlers" to post 1967 or to create artificial borders which do not exist in reality. Team Palestine believes all Jews (or all synthetic Jews) are "settlers". If you would like to restrict the conversation, and I understand that you do and why, might I suggest instead that the parameters for discussion be Area C? That seems to be the area that is most relevant to the current conflict.

How far back in the History of "area C" is relevant to "terrorism"? The distinction is the CURRENT political and legal basis for ANY land title changes in the "occupied" areas. When you allow the discussion to cover thousands of years (or even hundreds) -- you are faced with a panorama of 5 or 10 DIFFERENT political and legal frameworks to deal with. Anything from King Solomon to the Romans thru the British and Jordanians.

This is a CURRENT question IMO -- defined ONLY by the CURRENT legal/political realities.

Exactly why we should be dealing with current boundaries and not the irrelevant ones from 1967. IMO. Your call, of course.

Oh -- OK. I see your point now. I think we're both talking about current boundaries, but in different terms. The reality of boundaries under Israel's control are the same if you just DECLARE them current or you call it "land settlements outside of the pre-war '67 borders.. All the other "border disputes" have been settled with Egypt and Lebanon for instance. No "settlement issues" there.

I think there would be a big diff if over the course of those years there was some development of a Palestinian legal/political authority. Because THEN -- you'd have a viable and willing party to negotiate with concerning the status of all the "non-Israelis" still living in ever-shrinking "Area C"

 

[RoccoR]

RE What percentage of Israeli settlers are terrorists?
※→ abi, et al,

Did the Arab Palestinians agree to the establishment of AREA "C" ???

The title pretty much says it all. We had a similar thread asking about the Palestinians. But I even narrowed it down for our happy discussions here.

I still can't find specific statistics, but since we are witnessing state funded terrorism, does that percentage even matter?

Israel pays for these settlements, the ADF (Apartheid Demolition Forces) protect the setters during their violent raids on innocent families. Just sickening.

(COMMENT)

Does the establishment of "settlements" go beyond the agreement, signed by Yasser Arafat (A/51/889-S/1997/357 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip OSLO II Accord 28 September 1995) ?

"Area C constitutes a real disaster," says Dr Hussein Al-Rimmawi of Birzeit University in the West Bank. "Most of the Israeli settlements have been built in Area C. It's under full Israeli control, particularly security. Palestinians have no authority over this."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE What percentage of Israeli settlers are terrorists?
※→ abi, et al,

Did the Arab Palestinians agree to the establishment of AREA "C" ???

The title pretty much says it all. We had a similar thread asking about the Palestinians. But I even narrowed it down for our happy discussions here.

I still can't find specific statistics, but since we are witnessing state funded terrorism, does that percentage even matter?

Israel pays for these settlements, the ADF (Apartheid Demolition Forces) protect the setters during their violent raids on innocent families. Just sickening.

(COMMENT)

Does the establishment of "settlements" go beyond the agreement, signed by Yasser Arafat (A/51/889-S/1997/357 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip OSLO II Accord 28 September 1995) ?

View attachment 169262 "Area C constitutes a real disaster," says Dr Hussein Al-Rimmawi of Birzeit University in the West Bank. "Most of the Israeli settlements have been built in Area C. It's under full Israeli control, particularly security. Palestinians have no authority over this."

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that these settlements boil down to state funded terrorism. Try to follow along.

That is not what the thread is about.