What passes for Republican Science

[OldUSAFSniper]

3. Research is often stifled by legal action
"Those crude acts of harassment often come alongside more-sophisticated legal and political attacks," says Clynes. Climate change skeptics regularly file lawsuits and Freedom of Information Act requests to disrupt ongoing research. "In 2005, before dragging Mann and other climate researchers into congressional hearings, Texas congressman Joe Barton ordered the scientists to submit voluminous details of working procedures, computer programs and past funding.

Really??? Seriously??? And go to the Sierra Clubs website and look at the legal action that they take when local governments even try to remove the brush from rural areas so that there will be less fires. The Sierra Club files lawsuit after lawsuit because they think that these ares should be "pristine" and any intervention should be restricted. Never matter that when the brush piles up and a fire starts it makes it ten times worse than when the brush is cleared.

You know, left-wing environmentalists have been filing lawsuits and doing enviro-terrorism for years. And now it's really bad because those who disagree with the "approved policy" has adopted the same tactics.

You can't whine and complain when someone takes YOUR play book and turns it on you...

 

[Old Rocks]

When liberals start behaving they way that they want us to, maybe i'll take a second look, but Al Gore doesnt do any of the things he says will "help" the planet.

And he said in his movie, we have 10 years to fix it, what do you bet he's gonna change that deadline, kinda like the cultists that say the world is gonna end, once it doesnt, we'll have a new deadline....how convienent.

No, we do not have ten years to fix it. We are already seeing the consequences, and will see even more in the next decades. There is about a 30 to 50 year lag in the consequences of the GHGs in the atmosphere. So the time for prevention is long past. What we have to do now is prepare for the consequences, and attempt to prevent the problem from being even worse in the future by reducing, globally, our emissions of GHGs.

Of course, I fully realize that is not going to happen, thanks to people like you and Sis. So we will see some very interesting times before the end of this century.

Arctic Methane Emergency Group - AMEG - Home

 

[Si modo]

As long as the Oil and Gas lobby has undue influence over our legislators, Climate Science is going to be political.

And politicians have nothing to do with it at all?

It's ALL big bad oil's fault?

And hacks have nothing to do with it, either?

Damn, are you blind.

But, I am sure scientists such as this thank you, and thank you from their hearts.

Dang. Sis, you are so weird. I do not pretend to be a scientist, so I post articles from real scientists. But you state doing that is soiling science.

In fact, that seems to be your whole schtick, if you post something from the scientists that are actively studying the subject, you are soiliing science.

Liar.

I state YOUR politicization of it soils it. Very clearly I state that, but somehow you cannot comprehend that.

And, curiously, my gender seems quite significant to you, still.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As long as the Oil and Gas lobby has undue influence over our legislators, Climate Science is going to be political.

And politicians have nothing to do with it at all?

It's ALL big bad oil's fault?

And hacks have nothing to do with it, either?

Damn, are you blind.

But, I am sure scientists such as this thank you, and thank you from their hearts.

Do you deny that "big oil" has undue influence over or politics? Where does the "anti" climate change opposition come? Where do scientists that claim there is no climate change get their money?

"Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors"
James Delingpole

"British author James Delingpole tells the shocking story of how an unholy mix of junk science, green hype, corporate greed and political opportunism led to the biggest - and most expensive - outbreak of mass hysteria in history.

In Watermelons, Delingpole explains the Climategate scandal, the cast of characters involved, their motives and methods. He delves into the background of the organizations and individuals who have sought to push global warming to the top of the political agenda, showing that beneath their cloak of green lurks a heart of red.

Watermelons shows how the scientific method has been sacrificed on the altar of climate alarmism. Delingpole mocks the green movement's pathetic record of apocalyptic predictions, from the "population bomb" to global cooling, which failed to materialize. He reveals the fundamental misanthropy of green ideology, "rooted in hatred of the human species, hell bent on destroying almost everything man has achieved".

Delingpole gives a refreshing voice to widespread public skepticism over global warming, emphasising that the "crisis" has been engineered by people seeking to control our lives by imposing new taxes and regulations. "Your taxes will be raised, your liberties curtailed and your money squandered to deal with this 'crisis'", he writes.

At its very roots, argues Delingpole, climate change is an ideological battle, not a scientific one. Green on the outside, red on the inside, the liberty-loathing, humanity-hating "watermelons" of the modern environmental movement do not want to save the world. They want to rule it.

Delingpole is the bestselling British writer who helped expose the Climategate scandal in his Daily Telegraph blog. He also writes a column for The Spectator. His other books include 365 Ways to Drive a Liberal Crazy (Regnery, 2010) and Welcome to Obamaland" (Regnery, 2009).


"...beneath their cloak of green lurks a heart of red."

 

[rightwinger]

The hack OP even puts this in politics.

Damn, stay the fuck out of science.

ALL hacks. I don't give a shit what YOUR political views are...stay the fuck out of it.

It really should be in science shouldn't it?

Why are Republican thugs making climate change a political issue?

Have to protect Big Oil at all costs

 

[Seawytch]

US Oil lobby outspends green movement by factor of five

Members Who Supported Massive Giveaway To Big Oil Have Received $38.6 Million From The Industry

 

[Old Rocks]

Big Climate is behind the AGW scam

Damn, all those billionaire scientists are funding this scam over the whole world, right? Frankie Boy, you just get increasing stupid.

 

[Old Rocks]

And politicians have nothing to do with it at all?

It's ALL big bad oil's fault?

And hacks have nothing to do with it, either?

Damn, are you blind.

But, I am sure scientists such as this thank you, and thank you from their hearts.

Do you deny that "big oil" has undue influence over or politics? Where does the "anti" climate change opposition come? Where do scientists that claim there is no climate change get their money?

"Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors"
James Delingpole

"British author James Delingpole tells the shocking story of how an unholy mix of junk science, green hype, corporate greed and political opportunism led to the biggest - and most expensive - outbreak of mass hysteria in history.

In Watermelons, Delingpole explains the Climategate scandal, the cast of characters involved, their motives and methods. He delves into the background of the organizations and individuals who have sought to push global warming to the top of the political agenda, showing that beneath their cloak of green lurks a heart of red.

Watermelons shows how the scientific method has been sacrificed on the altar of climate alarmism. Delingpole mocks the green movement's pathetic record of apocalyptic predictions, from the "population bomb" to global cooling, which failed to materialize. He reveals the fundamental misanthropy of green ideology, "rooted in hatred of the human species, hell bent on destroying almost everything man has achieved".

Delingpole gives a refreshing voice to widespread public skepticism over global warming, emphasising that the "crisis" has been engineered by people seeking to control our lives by imposing new taxes and regulations. "Your taxes will be raised, your liberties curtailed and your money squandered to deal with this 'crisis'", he writes.

At its very roots, argues Delingpole, climate change is an ideological battle, not a scientific one. Green on the outside, red on the inside, the liberty-loathing, humanity-hating "watermelons" of the modern environmental movement do not want to save the world. They want to rule it.

Delingpole is the bestselling British writer who helped expose the Climategate scandal in his Daily Telegraph blog. He also writes a column for The Spectator. His other books include 365 Ways to Drive a Liberal Crazy (Regnery, 2010) and Welcome to Obamaland" (Regnery, 2009).


"...beneath their cloak of green lurks a heart of red."

Are you ever going to post anything relevant, or even slightly sane?

 

[rightwinger]

Republican thugs are using similar tactics that were used to attack cancer scientists a generation ago

Cigarettes can't cause cancer. You can't be 100% sure. We need more study. My grandmother smoked three packs a day and lived to be 95...

It is amazing what you can do with unlimited corporate funding

 

[PoliticalChic]

As long as the Oil and Gas lobby has undue influence over our legislators, Climate Science is going to be political.

Open your eyes, sandwich....it's not Oil and Gas that runs the show....it's Big Green: the Sierra Club and the other Leftisties.


Two words: "Keystone Pipeline."


Does your care actually have a bumper-sticker "Oblivious to the Obvious"?

My care? What's a care?

So you think that the "Big Green" spends more on lobbying than the oil and gas lobby? Seriously?

Which industry gets more subsidies?

Sorry....the word was 'car.'

"Which industry gets more subsidies?"


You're not serious, are you?

Green Energy R & D:

Exxon gave $125,000 for research

US $2.1 billion

EU $3 billion


$94 billion in Green Stimulus, wind and solar

Nuclear is most heavily subsidized alternative energy

From Jerry Taylor, CATO Institute

 

[Old Rocks]

And politicians have nothing to do with it at all?

It's ALL big bad oil's fault?

And hacks have nothing to do with it, either?

Damn, are you blind.

But, I am sure scientists such as this thank you, and thank you from their hearts.

Dang. Sis, you are so weird. I do not pretend to be a scientist, so I post articles from real scientists. But you state doing that is soiling science.

In fact, that seems to be your whole schtick, if you post something from the scientists that are actively studying the subject, you are soiliing science.

Liar.

I state YOUR politicization of it soils it. Very clearly I state that, but somehow you cannot comprehend that.

And, curiously, my gender seems quite significant to you, still.

LOL. And calling you Sis still seems to annoy you, Sis

So, posting articles from peer reviewed scientific journals concerning global warming is soiling science. That is what you are stating. Seems your bias is really showing here.

 

[buckeye45_73]

What the hell are you talking about?

Look man we have to change our entire lifestyle due to climate change, accroding to these nuts. According to these folks, cars cause climeate change, cattle causes it, well just about everything causes it.


They want us on "public" transportation (FUCK THAT) and since that hasnt worked they want to choose what color and type of car to buy (get that Volt! and not in black).

They want to set your thermostat.

They basically want to control your life over the Earth warming...oh wait but if it snows it's climate change and if it rains more than normal, climate change, yada yada yada.

Look I've heard it all, and I think it's crap. The Earth changes temperature on it's own. hence ice ages and warming periods.

Given your demonstrated lack of ability to think, who the hell cares what you 'think'?

All you do is post flap yap, talking points, never a single scientific article to back your viewpoint. This is a subject involving science, therefore, one should post the research or evidence that supports their viewpoint. You have yet to do such.

Oh really, what in post was wrong? Go ahead, do they not blame cars and cattle? They dont want to controll you thermostats or outlaw black paint?
Fuck your this is "science" no it's not, it's politics, the green movement is political, so stop that shit right up front.


I dont?

Cattle causes global warming"

Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent
Kathy Freston: Healthy Living, Conscious Eating
First of all, animal agriculture disastrously effects the environment
See liberals dont like meat, so since people wont volunteer to get off it, they scare you or guilt you into it. Just one of the many things they do to try and control you, with......climate change!

Black cars
California May Ban Black Cars | TechCrunch
California Backpedals on Plan to Ban Black Cars to Reduce Emissions · Environmental Management & Energy News · Environmental Leader

Black car ban in California? Not quite yet - latimes.com

Black cars are bad, I didnt say it, global warming liberals said it and tried to ban them. They lost for now, but they'll be back.

Thermostats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html
Critics cool to 'smart thermostat' proposal - SFGate


how much do you bet Al Gore will not have to do this in his own Malibu mansion?


So in essence those are just a few of the things. And of course you've seen in New York, the "healty" laws of getting rid of large sodas and now looking at "bad" food.

Is any of this comming together for you?

 

[Si modo]

The hack OP even puts this in politics.

Damn, stay the fuck out of science.

ALL hacks. I don't give a shit what YOUR political views are...stay the fuck out of it.

It really should be in science shouldn't it?

Why are Republican thugs making climate change a political issue?

Have to protect Big Oil at all costs

Curiously, YOU keep saying "Republican".

I'll neg you again for your hatred of science when I spread more around.

These scientists would thank you, but they have more pressing issues.

 

[Old Rocks]

Open your eyes, sandwich....it's not Oil and Gas that runs the show....it's Big Green: the Sierra Club and the other Leftisties.


Two words: "Keystone Pipeline."


Does your care actually have a bumper-sticker "Oblivious to the Obvious"?

My care? What's a care?

So you think that the "Big Green" spends more on lobbying than the oil and gas lobby? Seriously?

Which industry gets more subsidies?

Sorry....the word was 'car.'

"Which industry gets more subsidies?"


You're not serious, are you?

Green Energy R & D:

Exxon gave $125,000 for research

US $2.1 billion

EU $3 billion


$94 billion in Green Stimulus, wind and solar

Nuclear is most heavily subsidized alternative energy

From Jerry Taylor, CATO Institute

Hmmm...... of the stated 94 billion, most went to nuclear. So you don't like nuclear? Is that your point?

 

[Old Rocks]

The hack OP even puts this in politics.

Damn, stay the fuck out of science.

ALL hacks. I don't give a shit what YOUR political views are...stay the fuck out of it.

It really should be in science shouldn't it?

Why are Republican thugs making climate change a political issue?

Have to protect Big Oil at all costs

Curiously, YOU keep saying "Republican".

I'll neg you again for your hatred of science when I spread more around.

These scientists would thank you, but they have more pressing issues.

Ah yes, ol' Sis is very good a negging people that point out the truth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republican thugs are using similar tactics that were used to attack cancer scientists a generation ago

Cigarettes can't cause cancer. You can't be 100% sure. We need more study. My grandmother smoked three packs a day and lived to be 95...

It is amazing what you can do with unlimited corporate funding

In an almost forgotten time, prior to the ascension of modern liberlism, one could equate the term ‘science’ with ‘objective.’

Alas, this is no longer true. The ‘new world’ replaces objectivity with a malleable version of truth, of science, that conforms to a political ideology.

a. In academia, truth has fallen in priority to ideology, also known as the ‘greater truth’ of pre-formed conclusions. A case in point is climate change. Normal science discovers facts, and then constructs a theory from those facts. ‘Post-modern science’ starts with a theory that is politically sensitive, and then makes up facts to influence opinion in its favor.

b. The leading proponents of ‘post-normal science,’ PNS, Funtowicz and Ravetz, have written that, in issue-driven science, ‘facts’ and ‘values’ are unified by replacing ‘truth’ by ‘quality.’ http://www.ecoeco.org/pdf/pstnormsc.pdf

c. Ideology represents the power over truth. The French Revolution introduced secular ideology to the Western world. Sir Isaiah Berlin, of the University of Oxford, stated that the 18th century “saw the destruction of the notion of truth and validity in ethics and politics, not merely objective or absolute truth but subjective and relative truth also…”

In his own words, published in the UK Guardian, Professor Hulme, tells the world that post-normal science we cannot wait to prove global warming, but must ‘trade normal truth for influence’ and must ‘recognize the social limits of their truth seeking.’

Mike Hulme is Professor of Climate Change in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia (UEA), [http://mikehulme.org/]


See what you can learn if you read?

 

[Si modo]

It really should be in science shouldn't it?

Why are Republican thugs making climate change a political issue?

Have to protect Big Oil at all costs

Curiously, YOU keep saying "Republican".

I'll neg you again for your hatred of science when I spread more around.

These scientists would thank you, but they have more pressing issues.

Ah yes, ol' Sis is very good a negging people that point out the truth.

I neg those who politicize science.

See, that is quite a simple sentence, but I would bet good money the meaning still is lost on you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

My care? What's a care?

So you think that the "Big Green" spends more on lobbying than the oil and gas lobby? Seriously?

Which industry gets more subsidies?

Sorry....the word was 'car.'

"Which industry gets more subsidies?"


You're not serious, are you?

Green Energy R & D:

Exxon gave $125,000 for research

US $2.1 billion

EU $3 billion


$94 billion in Green Stimulus, wind and solar

Nuclear is most heavily subsidized alternative energy

From Jerry Taylor, CATO Institute

Hmmm...... of the stated 94 billion, most went to nuclear. So you don't like nuclear? Is that your point?

I can see why you'd like to change the subject, Ragu.

 

[Seawytch]

Open your eyes, sandwich....it's not Oil and Gas that runs the show....it's Big Green: the Sierra Club and the other Leftisties.


Two words: "Keystone Pipeline."


Does your care actually have a bumper-sticker "Oblivious to the Obvious"?

My care? What's a care?

So you think that the "Big Green" spends more on lobbying than the oil and gas lobby? Seriously?

Which industry gets more subsidies?

Sorry....the word was 'car.'

"Which industry gets more subsidies?"


You're not serious, are you?

Green Energy R & D:

Exxon gave $125,000 for research

US $2.1 billion

EU $3 billion


$94 billion in Green Stimulus, wind and solar

Nuclear is most heavily subsidized alternative energy

From Jerry Taylor, CATO Institute

Nuclear isn't green or renewable so hardly "alternative". You left out half the story. Where's "big oil"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exposed: The terrifying harassment faced by climate change scientists - The Week

In a sprawling new story in Popular Science, Tom Clynes takes an in-depth look at the seedy but influential range of people who take it upon themselves to make life a living hell for climate-change researchers.

1. Harassment is routine
Climate-change deniers often threaten scientists in attempts to distract them from their research — and the harassment goes beyond nasty emails. One climate modeler describes finding "a dead rat on his doorstep" with "a yellow Hummer speeding away

2. Political associations don't matter
For Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist, political conservative, and evangelical Christian, her work can be as thankless as it is taxing — even from her own party. In 2007, Rush Limbaugh discovered her contributions to a book co-authored by Newt Gingrich and ridiculed her as a "climate babe." Following the backlash, Gingrich dropped her chapter on global warming entirely.

3. Research is often stifled by legal action
"Those crude acts of harassment often come alongside more-sophisticated legal and political attacks," says Clynes. Climate change skeptics regularly file lawsuits and Freedom of Information Act requests to disrupt ongoing research. "In 2005, before dragging Mann and other climate researchers into congressional hearings, Texas congressman Joe Barton ordered the scientists to submit voluminous details of working procedures, computer programs and past funding,

4. Efforts to ruffle scientists are increasingly sophisticated
It's not "a bunch of crazy people" fighting against us, says Mann. "These efforts to discredit science are well-organized." "There's really only about 25 of us doing this," says Steve Milloy, a Fox News commentator and self-described "denier." He calls the core group of skeptics "a ragtag bunch, very Continental Army." The deniers often target scientists who speak up publicly, offering bounties to anyone willing to make their lives difficult. In one instance, Milloy offered $500 for anyone

5. Anti-climate change advocacy is well-funded
Following the Kyoto Protocol on global warming in 1998, the American Petroleum Institute put together a $5.9 million task force (which included Milloy) charged with discrediting climate change science to "quash growing public support of curbing emissions."

the American Petroleum Institute put together a $5.9 million task force

Compared to the billions government has wasted on "global warming", that's barely a rounding error.