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So what about him? I don't have much to say about him. Many Serbians love him and Croatians hate his guts.
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What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?
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49% of Moscow imperialists support withdrawal of troops from Ukraine, poll says.
What a shift, a year ago 🇷🇺 🐷 🇷🇺 85%+ supported the war Moscow empire should be destroyed.
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As Serbia's party leader and president, Milosevic pursued Serbian nationalist policies that contributed to the breakup of the socialist Yugoslav federation. There was no ultranationalism when Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, Serbian and Albanian peoples lived peacefully behind the Iron Curtain. The fall of the Soviet Union gave rise to Nazi leaders such as Milosevic and Zelensky as the dark forces of nationalism were unleashed. Nationalism was among the causes of the collapse of communism. Zelensky's view of Ukraine has been both populist and nationalist, which was a major provocation for Moscow.
Ukraine according to Zelensky: Populism and National Identity in Presidential Addresses to Compatriots
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Ok, lets go at it from comparative perspective - which countries are open democracies and not plutocracies according to you?
Try to throw in some reasons of the fundamental difference that makes them democracies vs supposedly not-democracy United States.
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As Serbia's party leader and president, Milosevic pursued Serbian nationalist policies that contributed to the breakup of the socialist Yugoslav federation. There was no ultranationalism when Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, Serbian and Albanian peoples lived peacefully behind the Iron Curtain. The fall of the Soviet Union gave rise to Nazi leaders such as Milosevic and Zelensky as the dark forces of nationalism were unleashed. Nationalism was among the causes of the collapse of communism. Zelensky's view of Ukraine has been both populist and nationalist, which was a major provocation for Moscow.
Ukraine according to Zelensky: Populism and National Identity in Presidential Addresses to Compatriots
In what way is a jew named Zelensky a Nazi?
Did he proclaim some sort of racial superiority? Did he put classes of people in concentration camps and gas them? Did he invade other countries?
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Well, I should admit that maybe in every Western 'democracy' big capital has more influence on politics than common people do. But I would say that Western European countries are more democratic than the US is. At least big business there is quite limited in abusing abilities towards their workers and has some social responsibilities.
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So no, you can't name any real democracies in the world, every country is more or less a plutocracy. From Russia to America, to Japan and Sweeden.
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To some extent, yes. What differs is the level of plutocracy. While say Scandinavian countries have it among the lowest, the US has it among the highest.So no, you can't name any real democracies in the world, every country is more or less a plutocracy. From Russia to America, to Japan and Sweeden.
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Yeah, okay. And since we finished with democracies, I want to add something more. This discussion about democracies didn't mean much, because 'democracy' isn't the goal in itself, it is mostly a tool to build a fair and prosperous society. And when a democracy (or kinda democracy) fails to do so, then there are few reasons of its existence.Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.
I rest my case.
I don't want to say that 'democratic values' have no meaning. Civil liberties, freedom of speech and expression etc (even given that they don't exist almost nowhere in their pure meaning) are also important for people. But. What the vast majority of people value the most is financial stability, jobs that can support them and their children, affordable and reasonable healthcare, housing, education for their children, safety on the streets, pension programs etc. In other words, quite practical things.
And when the people in a country masquerading as democracy can't afford all that, this country brings down the very idea of democracy and makes authoritarian regimes like China and Russia look more preferably, at least for people in these countries.
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Can you identify a real democracy? Where?Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.
I rest my case.
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You don't have a "case" to rest.Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.
I rest my case.
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Anton's amazing "liberal democracy":
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America nutter-butter.
Most democratic countries worldwide 2023 | Statista
The most democratic countries worldwide are the Nordic countries and New Zealand, reflecting the countries high levels of openness and political trust.
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Country Rankings – The Global State of Democracy 2023
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America nutter-butter.
Most democratic countries worldwide 2023 | Statista
The most democratic countries worldwide are the Nordic countries and New Zealand, reflecting the countries high levels of openness and political trust.
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Country Rankings – The Global State of Democracy 2023
This year, we have included annual global rankings of country performance for each of the categories of democratic performance—Representation, Rights, Rule of Law, and Participation— rather than classifying regimes on an overall basis..www.idea.int
List of Democratic Countries - Tpoint Tech
List of Democratic Countries - Democracy is the word made from two words, 'demos' and 'kratos', which mean 'citizen' and 'power', respectively. As the...
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Yea isn't it funny how everyone thinks you are full of crap?
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