What, No More Dinging the F-35?

[Daryl Hunt]

I prefer a wheel gun myself for home defense. You pull trigger, it goes bang. No fuss no Muss. And if I need more than 6 I'm probably dead anyway.

I am retired Military and it was my job to be willing to put my own ass in jeapordy if called upon just like 3 1/2 million other veterans. If you aren't willing then I hear Dairy Queen is hiring.

I carry multiple speedloaders. I'm in it for the long haul if necessary.

Thank you for your service. Many in my family have served as well. Unfortunately the US Army decided that my birth defects and bad right knee were sufficient to deny me any chance at a combat-related MOS and I was not interested in a noncombat or combat support MOS when I graduated high school in 1992 or after 9-11-2001.

When I went to Denver, I found out that flat feet and sleep walking would not allow me to be drafted. But the AF didn't care and I had already signed the enlistment paperwork in Grand Junction. Just wasn't my day.

 

[Anathema]

When I went to Denver, I found out that flat feet and sleep walking would not allow me to be drafted. But the AF didn't care and I had already signed the enlistment paperwork in Grand Junction. Just wasn't my day.

Different generations, my friend. I wanted to enlist but they didn't want me apparently.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When I went to Denver, I found out that flat feet and sleep walking would not allow me to be drafted. But the AF didn't care and I had already signed the enlistment paperwork in Grand Junction. Just wasn't my day.

Different generations, my friend. I wanted to enlist but they didn't want me apparently.

Look at it this way. Without people like you what good is people like me. If everyone was in the service, there would be no civilians and you are the reason we served.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Ask a Grunt what their opinin on the A10 is and the way your cheerleading the F35 I have to wonder if you don't work for Lockheed Martin.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ask a Grunt what their opinin on the A10 is and the way your cheerleading the F35 I have to wonder if you don't work for Lockheed Martin.

I will admit that during my 20 years, I did fill out more than one letter of introduction for people seperating and looking into Lockheed. At one time, I knew quite a few employees of Lockheed. Those days are gone and even those that I recommended have long since left lockheed.

to day, all things I have predicted about the F-35A has come to pass. Last year, officially, the date for the F-35A was 2018 to become operational. I predicted 2016. Guess what, my crystal ball was correct once again.

As it stands now, after the two units becoming operational in August, USAF is going to start standing down A-10 units and replacing them with F-35As one at a time. There also will be some F-16 units done the same way. That starts in 2017. You can't stop this.

As for the Grunts, they are looking after their own bacon as they should. But it's gotten to the point where it's almost suicide to fly within 1000 feet of the ground. We also have to look after the pilots lives as well. That seems to have been missed by you.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Ask a Grunt what their opinin on the A10 is and the way your cheerleading the F35 I have to wonder if you don't work for Lockheed Martin.

I will admit that during my 20 years, I did fill out more than one letter of introduction for people seperating and looking into Lockheed. At one time, I knew quite a few employees of Lockheed. Those days are gone and even those that I recommended have long since left lockheed.

to day, all things I have predicted about the F-35A has come to pass. Last year, officially, the date for the F-35A was 2018 to become operational. I predicted 2016. Guess what, my crystal ball was correct once again.

As it stands now, after the two units becoming operational in August, USAF is going to start standing down A-10 units and replacing them with F-35As one at a time. There also will be some F-16 units done the same way. That starts in 2017. You can't stop this.

As for the Grunts, they are looking after their own bacon as they should. But it's gotten to the point where it's almost suicide to fly within 1000 feet of the ground. We also have to look after the pilots lives as well. That seems to have been missed by you.

Have you seen the hits an A10 can take and continue to fly. The F35 has a very long way to go before it can prove its worth the over 200 million per unit price tag. The A10 is a well proven platform I still have not seen anything that has impressed me from the 35.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ask a Grunt what their opinin on the A10 is and the way your cheerleading the F35 I have to wonder if you don't work for Lockheed Martin.

I will admit that during my 20 years, I did fill out more than one letter of introduction for people seperating and looking into Lockheed. At one time, I knew quite a few employees of Lockheed. Those days are gone and even those that I recommended have long since left lockheed.

to day, all things I have predicted about the F-35A has come to pass. Last year, officially, the date for the F-35A was 2018 to become operational. I predicted 2016. Guess what, my crystal ball was correct once again.

As it stands now, after the two units becoming operational in August, USAF is going to start standing down A-10 units and replacing them with F-35As one at a time. There also will be some F-16 units done the same way. That starts in 2017. You can't stop this.

As for the Grunts, they are looking after their own bacon as they should. But it's gotten to the point where it's almost suicide to fly within 1000 feet of the ground. We also have to look after the pilots lives as well. That seems to have been missed by you.

Have you seen the hits an A10 can take and continue to fly. The F35 has a very long way to go before it can prove its worth the over 200 million per unit price tag. The A10 is a well proven platform I still have not seen anything that has impressed me from the 35.

As the wise man once said, "Just don't get hit". The modern manpads can take out an A-10 with one hit making it not a real good idea to be down on the deck around the bad guys. And the 200 mil price tag is being spread out. The more they build, the less they cost. Right now, they are running about 85 mil each. Yes, the AF-1 and 2 did cost 200 mil each but that's 4 years ago. You really need to use todays information on all this. You won't be looking quite as foolish.

Let's see. Can I impress you with going against the F-16, F-15E, F-18, Lightning, at 12-zip. Going against the F-15E at 8 to zip. Green flag of 2014, the F-16 and A-10 were total losses. In the 2015 greenflag, 2 F-35As clocked in mulitple mission and kills for CAS with NO losses.

I guess since the F-35A can't pull a rabbit out it's ass, you can't be impressed.

 

[I amso IR]

Hi Daryl, I have been away from this conversation a while. The other day I was reading, in the Defense News how the Navy and Air Force are rethinking plans for their air Supremacy roles in an all out war with China involving the South China Sea. Much importance is being placed on the roles of the F35 as it is destined to carry the bulk of action in supressing the Chinese air force in that conflict. The F35 along with Gen 4 in tow will be quite the ticket with the 35 taking out any Gen 5 the Chinese may be able to field and the Gen 4 cleaning up the stragglers. Specifics were not mentioned as they should not have been. The other large threat is the Chinese ability to use missiles against warships. So it stands to reason that anti missile defense by our warships is about to improve significantly. Also, by stretching the distance to our carriers is going to give the Chinese fits. Good talking to you and keep those 35,s flying. Kudo's, I am so IR.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Hi Daryl, I have been away from this conversation a while. The other day I was reading, in the Defense News how the Navy and Air Force are rethinking plans for their air Supremacy roles in an all out war with China involving the South China Sea. Much importance is being placed on the roles of the F35 as it is destined to carry the bulk of action in supressing the Chinese air force in that conflict. The F35 along with Gen 4 in tow will be quite the ticket with the 35 taking out any Gen 5 the Chinese may be able to field and the Gen 4 cleaning up the stragglers. Specifics were not mentioned as they should not have been. The other large threat is the Chinese ability to use missiles against warships. So it stands to reason that anti missile defense by our warships is about to improve significantly. Also, by stretching the distance to our carriers is going to give the Chinese fits. Good talking to you and keep those 35,s flying. Kudo's, I am so IR.

The problem I see is that the F-35C won't come into service until at least late 2017. The F-35A may not have the range to cover all that. So we are looking at the Navy with their F-18Es and tricked out Gs running that gambit. That is unless the Chinese does something stupid where they are facing down the F-22s and F-35As from the AF. And that will be a no contest.

I have great trust in the Navy Surface Ships protecting the Carriers. Ever see a Carrier leave the battle area? I watched a film of the Enterprise shooting a rooster tail that made it look like a racing boat. The new carriers can't quite make that kind of speed due to having half the reactors but I can bet they can get out of harms way if needed.

 

[RubberGloveSeduction]

As more and more info comes out about the F-35 vs F-15E it is proving just another validation of the plane's capabilities and hilighting how utterly clueless those (hello ManOnTheStreet!) who have been chanting too slow/too low/not stealthy/can't do air superiority/etc. are. We're talking F-15Es with upgraded AESA radars and experienced pilots, they couldn't find the F-35s and were consistently locked on to and fired upon by the F-35s from within AMRAAM's no escape zone. It was a ridiculously one-sided turkey shoot, similar to when F-22 is tested against 4th gen aggressor aircraft.

Now poor ManOnTheStreet is reduced to babbling randomly about how it just looks pretty and saying it sits on the ground despite clear evidence to the contrary.

Have you seen the hits an A10 can take and continue to fly. The F35 has a very long way to go before it can prove its worth the over 200 million per unit price tag.

We've also seen A-10 take hits and not continue to fly, which is why in Iraq they had to pull it from it's mission supporting operations against Republican Guard. Today the overwhelming majority of A-10 combat missions are at higher altitude using a targeting pod and PGMs, just like the F-16s that make up the bulk of CAS sorties.

Also the F-35 doesn't cost anywhere near 200 million, depends on model but GAO estimates show comparable to Eurofighter and not much more than F-18s in most recent Navy acquisition.

 

[HenryBHough]

F35 is supposed to be flown at The Farnborough Air Show this week.

I'll be there in hopes of seeing it but the latest updates I have had suggest that it WILL NOT be on the schedule for the two "public days" of the show (7/16 & 17) . It MAY do a fly-by (only) on one of the industry-only days.

Of course Farnborough is now operating under revised "Health and Safety" rules so the normal airshow has been gutted. Could something in those rules have come into play? Had those new rules been in place when I was ordering tickets and the show emasculated as it is I would have not have spent the money to be there but, that being non-refundable......

I'll try for a photo IF..............

 

[RubberGloveSeduction]

All air shows in UK have been operating under those rules, yet F-35 appeared and was quite the hit at Tattoo. Maybe you have pressed the pity button prematurely.

 

[I amso IR]

You can do it HBH, you can do it, just like the little steam engine did. "I know I can, I know I can"!

 

[RubberGloveSeduction]

Yes they fly them around completing testing looking pretty......not one combat mission yet......

Hey let's move those goal posts over that way a few miles. When the plane you claimed can't fly or fight is dominating Red Flag and being praised by seasoned pilots as a game changer (maybe you look like a dumbass in the process) just shift attention to lack of combat missions as a criticism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yes they fly them around completing testing looking pretty......not one combat mission yet......

Hey let's move those goal posts over that way a few miles. When the plane you claimed can't fly or fight is dominating Red Flag and being praised by seasoned pilots as a game changer (maybe you look like a dumbass in the process) just shift attention to lack of combat missions as a criticism.

I agree. The most current goal post is the A going into Service. And the Marines taking theirs into harms way. After those two goal posts, we move the A into combat which should happen later on this year. I predict it won't be more than a month after it goes operational. Why they haven't been using the B instead of the AV-8B in combat only a congressman can answer.

 

[HenryBHough]

You can do it HBH, you can do it, just like the little steam engine did. "I know I can, I know I can"!

Finally got to a real computer and was able to download and crop!

Here's F35 at Farnborough:

Not much of a picture but given the altitude minimums now in effect and using only a relatively simple camera this is the best I can do. Plenty of good shots online but this one I know, because I took it, is not doctored

So it flies.

But from what the new rules allow and whatever U.S. restraints might have been imposed there was no evidence that it could so much more than fly and hover. Other displays were much more impressive but at altitudes that made them not that much to see.

This was my third trip to see The Farnborough Air Show. And definitely my last. Under the present rules - not much point in the time, effort or cost to attend again.

 

[RubberGloveSeduction]

Plenty of good shots online but this one I know, because I took it, is not doctored

Curious = is that really a concern you had or are you being facetious?

I find it hard to imagine someone believing the hundreds of pictures and videos from attendees at the air shows were potentially doctored, but you never know how far some people are willing to suspend common sense to pursue their skepticism.

 

[HenryBHough]

Plenty of good shots online but this one I know, because I took it, is not doctored

Curious = is that really a concern you had or are you being facetious?

I find it hard to imagine someone believing the hundreds of pictures and videos from attendees at the air shows were potentially doctored, but you never know how far some people are willing to suspend common sense to pursue their skepticism.

No way of knowing whether anything you see on the internet is real or dummied up to make someone or something look good or look bad.n So I know to my satisfaction that the photo I took is real. Do I expect anyone else to trust that? Hell NO!

 

[RubberGloveSeduction]

No way of knowing whether anything you see on the internet is real or dummied up to make someone or something look good or look bad.n So I know to my satisfaction that the photo I took is real.

True but there comes a point where a bit of common sense comes into play. There are dozens of homemade videos from spectators at the airshows, and hundreds of photographs. If you believe that in the short time from the air shows to all that content being uploaded still warrants reasonable doubt of authenticity thus endorsing the possibility of a conspiracy of massive proportion and resources, then you suffer from a lack of critical thinking skills.

Which of course is a nice way of saying you're a serious dumbfuck if you think all those videos could be fake.

 

[HenryBHough]

"All"?

Please show me where I said "all".