What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism pt.2

[MarcATL]

Trump and Patel's FBI have been trying to erase these facts from history.

They've failed to do so.

 

[IM2]

Here is the report Zafira:

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives. A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemicrelated stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.

https://a.nwps.fi/306123.pdf

 

[Lesh]

100% true. So true in-fact the DOJ took the information down. I get it. Most of us including myself are hurting that Charlie got assassinated.
Can we "keep it real" going forward. Seriously. Do you know more than the DOJ does?

I keep reading "radical left" is a problem well DOJ disagrees with you

DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence​

"Far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists," an archived version of the study reads​

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DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence Islamist extremists," an archived version of the study reads​

No…. I can’t imagine a Trump Admin doing something like this

 

[Thinker101]

100% true. So true in-fact the DOJ took the information down. I get it. Most of us including myself are hurting that Charlie got assassinated.
Can we "keep it real" going forward. Seriously. Do you know more than the DOJ does?

I keep reading "radical left" is a problem well DOJ disagrees with you

DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence​

"Far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists," an archived version of the study reads​

​

DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence Islamist extremists," an archived version of the study reads​

A study done under the Biden Admin...I am so shocked!!! Those PTA moms are so violent. No wonder the study was removed, no doubt stored in the Bullsh*t Bin.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

A study done under the Biden Admin...I am so shocked!!! Those PTA moms are so violent. No wonder the study was removed, no doubt put in the Bullsh*t Bin.

why secret
tell us why
that report does not fit the narrative

 

[Thinker101]

why secret
tell us why
that report does not fit the narrative

It certainly fit the Biden narrative. Another "secret", they tossed out the roll of toilet paper Biden used.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

It certainly fit the Biden narrative. Another "secret", they tossed out the roll of toilet paper Biden used.

You know more than the numbers and the statistics. I get it.

 

[Thinker101]

You know more than the numbers and the statistics. I get it.

I seriously doubt it, after all you're a liberal.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

I seriously doubt it, after all you're a liberal.

I know that you do not know, therefore you are full of shit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is the report Zafira:

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives. A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemicrelated stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.

https://a.nwps.fi/306123.pdf

In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

It looks like the Muslim mass murders are missing from the far-left totals.
And the Vegas mass murders too.

 

[Godboy]

The guy claimed the election was rigged. He was driven by conspiracy theories he had been a victim of election fraud.
After his electoral defeat, Pena falsely claimed the election was rigged and began pressuring members of the Bernalillo County Board of Commissioners not to certify the results. When they refused, Pena recruited Jose Trujillo and Demetrio Trujillo to carry out a series of shootings at the homes of several public officials.


I don't disagree that the guy was crazy. A lot of the people that do these kind of things are crazy (just another reason why the President of the United States should not equate the entire left with violence). But he was extremely far right in the leadup to what he did. Here is a snapshot of his blog via the wayback machine:

Voter Fraud

web.archive.org

That is very selective. You are talking about the killing of Marc Angelucci, not the killing of Judge Sala's son. Here are some relevant facts regarding the Salas killing:

• Salas had presided over one of Den Hollander’s cases. a 2015 lawsuit challenging the male-only draft. She dismissed part of his case.
• In his writings, he described Salas in racist and misogynistic terms (calling her an “affirmative action case” and attacking her Latina identity).
• His manifesto listed other female judges, politicians, and public figures he wanted to kill (including Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor).
• Den Hollander, who describes himself as a Trump volunteer in his writings, called the judge an “affirmative action” case who affiliated with those who wanted “to convince America that whites, especially white males, were barbarians, and all those of a darker skin complexion were victims.”
• “Female judges didn’t bother me as long as they were middle age or older black ladies,” he writes when discussing a lawsuit he filed that went before Judge Salas, the first hispanic woman appointed a federal judge in New Jersey. “They seemed to have an understanding of how life worked and were not about to be conned by any foot dragging lawyer. Latinas, however, were usually a problem—driven by an inferiority complex."
• He was extremely misogynistic.

So if Tyler Robinson were to come out and say that he did it at the command of JD Vance, then does that mean there is no way we could ever connect Robinson to the left? Btw, do you believe that Tim Walz commanded him to do that?

Yes, there were issues around how the informants acted. But ultimately there were only 5 acquittals among the 14 people charged. The rest are serving time. And to be clear, these people were talking and planning to do this before the FBI got involved. Prosecutors showed that the ringleaders (Adam Fox, Barry Croft) repeatedly initiated planning, recruited others, and expressed willingness to use violence.

Lets assume that you arent a completely full of shit liar and every one of your laughable examples were real, did you see the right praise any of these murders? No, you didnt. Youre never going to.

I will give you that the right made jokes about Paul Pelosi's attack, but they werent laughing at his death. He didnt die, and he is one of the most notoriously corrupt people in the US. People like seeing bad guys get beat up. Everyone on both sides LOVED it when they found out that Bernie Madoff got beat up in prison. I see nothing wrong with that, though i personally draw the line at hammer attacks, and im pretty certain that if you do a search of my posts, you wont see me giggling about it. As i recall, my only two cents was about the attackers political affiliations.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Lets assume that you arent a completely full of shit liar and every one of your laughable examples were real, did you see the right praise any of these murders? No, you didnt. Youre never going to.

I will give you that the right made jokes about Paul Pelosi's attack, but they werent laughing at his death. He didnt die, and he is one of the most notoriously corrupt people in the US. People like seeing bad guys get beat up. Everyone on both sides LOVED it when they found out that Bernie Madoff got beat up in prison. I see nothing wrong with that, though i personally draw the line at hammer attacks, and im pretty certain that if you do a search of my posts, you wont see me giggling about it. As i recall, my only two cents was about the attackers political affiliations.

I'm not lying. I gave the names specifically so people can look them up. My comments are not solely aimed at you, but rather the greater general belief that it seems conservatives on this forum hold.

No, the right did not mock any of the murders. And I agree that the individuals celebrating Kirk's death on social media is terrible. But you have to recognize that they are an extremely small minority of people doing that. And what the Trump administration is doing right now, is using this as an excuse to attack the entire left. They are weaponizing this in a disgusting way. So while, no, you don't see any poeople on the right celebrating the assassinations of Democrats. In the same sense, you don't see the Democratic party reacting to assassinations by fueling their voter base and classing those assassinations as being from the entire right. Or suggesting that it's some investation within the right that is taking place. And to be completely honest, it's way way worse for American democracy to have this weaponizing of an assassination than it is to have an extreme minority of nobodies celebrating on social media.

This is the point I am trying to make. What your administration is telling you about political violence is completely incorrect, and they are weaponizing something based off an obvious lie.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

It looks like the Muslim mass murders are missing from the far-left totals.
And the Vegas mass murders too.

They are classed under the 'Islamist' ideology:

https://www.start.umd.edu/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus-keshif

 

[Godboy]

And I agree that the individuals celebrating Kirk's death on social media is terrible. But you have to recognize that they are an extremely small minority of people doing that.

According to the most recent .gov poll, 25% of democrats believe that violence against their political opposition is justified. The "far right" that were polled only had 3% agreeing that violence is justified.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They are classed under the 'Islamist' ideology:

https://www.start.umd.edu/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus-keshif

Yes, they should be added to the left-wing numbers.

 

[Stryder50]

try this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

Per forum rules this should have been included in the Thread Opening Post to validate those opening paragraphs taken from it.

 

[Stryder50]

Here is the report Zafira:

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives. A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemicrelated stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.

https://a.nwps.fi/306123.pdf

This was supposed to be in your post that started this thread.
I've seen many threads recently closed because the OP failed to document their opening statements, such as those you took from this link.

Guess you were either lucky or have a mod on your side.

 

[Votto]

It's not a list, it's a synopsis.

And yes, he's a MAGAt larvae.

Give specific examples of right wing violence that the article did not.

 

[Votto]

Math is violence to IM2.

Because math is racist

Duh!

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

According to the most recent .gov poll, 25% of democrats believe that violence against their political opposition is justified. The "far right" that were polled only had 3% agreeing that violence is justified.

Yes, that poll looks legit. However, there are a couple of things to clarify. It's not 25% of dems. It's 25% of people who describe themselves as extremely liberal. Also the stat for liberal is 17%, but that stat also includes all the people that were also in the "Extremely liberal" set of data.

These are the charts from the .gov poll when categorized by party affilation:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? | Daily Question

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals?

today.yougov.com

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? | Daily Question

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals?

today.yougov.com

It is still a bad stat. But I would also caution taking too much from a poll like this, as they seem to change based on what the current events are. Take the following poll from 2024:

There was another poll right after Jan 6th that showed a similar thing. I would also mention that this doesn't change any of the facts surrounding what type of people are actually committing political violence/domestic terrorism. It doesn't make the fact that the republican party saying that all political violence comes from the left is any less false. It should also be noted that when the polls showing the same kind of thing but with republicans at around that 25% mark came out, the Democratic party didn't use it to say that we need to wage war on the entire right, and come after the far-right.