What Netanyahu's Victory Tells Me

[Phoenall]

Ethnic Cleansing Christians Middle East Gaza Islamists

Declining Palestinian Christian population fears its churches are turning into museums - Israel News Haaretz

Hamas Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Israel - The Line of Fire with Dr. Michael Brown

Interesting but not sure it actually supports Phoenall's claim that the Palestinians reduced the Christian population (ie ethnic cleansing).

Your second link states:

Today, Christians make up just 1 percent of the mainly Muslim population of the Palestinian territories, said Hanna Eissa, who is in charge of Christian affairs in the Palestinian Authority's religious affairs ministry.

In 1920, they were a tenth of the population of Palestine -- land where today Israel exists alongside the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians remain stateless.

Decades of conflict, shifting borders and occupation are the root causes of the poor economic situation that is forcing Christians to seek better lives abroad, Eissa said.


Rising Muslim fundamentalism, a trend across the Middle East, concerns some. But most cite Israeli occupation as the prime cause of emigration and the decline of their community.

"If there was no political problem, the economic situation would be good, so the problems are linked," Eissa said.

In Bethlehem alone, the Christian population has slumped to 7,500 from 20,000 in 1995. Then, the Middle East peace process had created hope that a Palestinian state would emerge alongside Israel. Some Christians who had left came back.

Sandra al-Shoumali, Abu al-Zulaf's sister, and her husband were among those who invested at the time. They thought peace was imminent and saw a prosperous future in a new state. But talks collapsed in 2000 and several years of violence ensued.

"There was no work, no way to live," she said. "Our family has been scattered," she said. They moved to the United States. She is visiting Beit Sahour for the first time in two years.

Come on Coyote. How many Palestinians ran right over to join ISIS? Not a small number I'm sure.

I'm sticking to the facts. What's going on in Gaza to affect the Christian population and what they have to say about it. Cleansing of ethnic minorities is most certainly going on in ISIS controlled regions - but where is the evidence of that in Gaza? Lack of economic opportunities, unemployment, conflict and instability and no light at the end of the tunnel are driving many out.

Get it right you are sticking to the facts as described by hamas and fatah, much like the Iranian facts about the Jews living there.

Provide some actual facts then showing that Palestinians were responsible for "ethnic cleansing" of Christians - from an unbiased source. Let's avoid youtubes.

I have and you are rejecting them because they go against your brainwashing. The you tube clip was of Christians in gaza talking about how they are treated by hamas, first hamd experience which beats anything produced by monte

 

[Phoenall]

Come on Coyote. How many Palestinians ran right over to join ISIS? Not a small number I'm sure.

I'm sticking to the facts. What's going on in Gaza to affect the Christian population and what they have to say about it. Cleansing of ethnic minorities is most certainly going on in ISIS controlled regions - but where is the evidence of that in Gaza? Lack of economic opportunities, unemployment, conflict and instability and no light at the end of the tunnel are driving many out.

Get it right you are sticking to the facts as described by hamas and fatah, much like the Iranian facts about the Jews living there.

Provide some actual facts then showing that Palestinians were responsible for "ethnic cleansing" of Christians - from an unbiased source. Let's avoid youtubes.

"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)- Hamas Covenant

Are you really trying to say they just want to get along with everyone else? What have they done to make you think that?

Nope. No one in that region does.

However, I'd like to see some actual evidence from unbiased sources that the reduction of the Christian Palestinian population is a direct result of "ethnic cleansing" from the Palestinian Muslims.

Seems like like such a simple question.

Will the report of a fatah Palestinian be enough for you then ? hardly a "biased" source.


Kamal El-Tarazi, a former senior security official in the Palestinian Authority, said in an interview that he was shot at by gunmen while he was driving in his car in Gaza. After hiding in Christian cemeteries and churches, El-Tarazi made his way to the West Bank to seek asylum, while leaving behind his wife and daughter.

El-Tarazi described some of the hostile activities towards Christians in the Gaza Strip, among them attacks on Christian organizations and churches. He also claimed that Christian women who do not wear a veil have acid thrown in their faces. Gazan Christians continuously tell of incidents of shootings and arson.

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CAMERA From Ethnic Cleansing to Casualty Count Prof. Qumsiyeh Errs

Christians in Israel to EU Stop Christian Ethnic Cleansing in Arab Countries - Breaking Israel News

 

[montelatici]

Wow Phoney, you've outdone yourself. To support your ridiculous claims you have linked to a number of ZioNazi sites in one post. One of the sites is called
"arabracismislamofascism". LOL And the other is CAMERA. Unbelievable.

 

[Phoenall]

Wow Phoney, you've outdone yourself. To support your ridiculous claims you have linked to a number of ZioNazi sites in one post. One of the sites is called
"arabracismislamofascism". LOL And the other is CAMERA. Unbelievable.

And they all use Palestinian sourced material as evidence, or did you miss that simple fact ? Not Israeli or Christian sources but arab muslims

 

[montelatici]

Anything published by ZioNazi sites is a lie.

 

[rhodescholar]

Provide some actual facts then showing that Palestinians were responsible for "ethnic cleansing" of Christians - from an unbiased source. Let's avoid youtubes.

Let's stop with the trolling nonsense, since the links I listed showed quite clearly how given the horrendous conditions the gazan christians are living under due to muslim rule and treatment - you're still whining, so let's take a different tack: what "evidence" are you looking for? The gazan christian population has collapsed under hamas rule, so the facts on the ground are clear to those without an agenda.

That said, do NOT make the mistake that for a nanosecond I am even remotely concerned with trying to convince you of anything, I am merely calling your bluff, since I do not find you to be a credible poster.

 

[rhodescholar]

However, I'd like to see some actual evidence from unbiased sources that the reduction of the Christian Palestinian population is a direct result of "ethnic cleansing" from the Palestinian Muslims. Seems like like such a simple question.

Repetitive demands for "evidence" is a sign of trolling, not a good way to sell the forum when done by a mod.

 

[Coyote]

However, I'd like to see some actual evidence from unbiased sources that the reduction of the Christian Palestinian population is a direct result of "ethnic cleansing" from the Palestinian Muslims. Seems like like such a simple question.

Repetitive demands for "evidence" is a sign of trolling, not a good way to sell the forum when done by a mod.

Dude, if someone makes a claim, they better be prepared to be called on to provide evidence to support it. The constant ducking is noteworthy.

 

[Coyote]

Provide some actual facts then showing that Palestinians were responsible for "ethnic cleansing" of Christians - from an unbiased source. Let's avoid youtubes.

Let's stop with the trolling nonsense, since the links I listed showed quite clearly how given the horrendous conditions the gazan christians are living under due to muslim rule and treatment - you're still whining, so let's take a different tack: what "evidence" are you looking for? The gazan christian population has collapsed under hamas rule, so the facts on the ground are clear to those without an agenda.

The links I provided, and even one of your sources indicated that the main reason for the exodus of Christians was a combination of economic, Israel's policies, and Palestinian government mismanagement with high unemployment and lack of opportunities or stability being at the top. You seem to ignore that and continue to whine that it was "ethnic cleansing" by the Palestinian Muslims.

That said, do NOT make the mistake that for a nanosecond I am even remotely concerned with trying to convince you of anything, I am merely calling your bluff, since I do not find you to be a credible poster.

You...a judge of credible posters?

 

[Coyote]

Interesting but not sure it actually supports Phoenall's claim that the Palestinians reduced the Christian population (ie ethnic cleansing).

Your second link states:

Come on Coyote. How many Palestinians ran right over to join ISIS? Not a small number I'm sure.

I'm sticking to the facts. What's going on in Gaza to affect the Christian population and what they have to say about it. Cleansing of ethnic minorities is most certainly going on in ISIS controlled regions - but where is the evidence of that in Gaza? Lack of economic opportunities, unemployment, conflict and instability and no light at the end of the tunnel are driving many out.

Get it right you are sticking to the facts as described by hamas and fatah, much like the Iranian facts about the Jews living there.

Provide some actual facts then showing that Palestinians were responsible for "ethnic cleansing" of Christians - from an unbiased source. Let's avoid youtubes.

I have and you are rejecting them because they go against your brainwashing. The you tube clip was of Christians in gaza talking about how they are treated by hamas, first hamd experience which beats anything produced by monte

And I provided multiple links showing that the main reason for the reduction of the Christians was economic. Youtubes are hard to verify for authenticity or accuracy - it could be the opinion of a small group or it could be widespread. It's like the claim some make that Muslims around the world were "dancing in the streets' when 9/11 happened yet, the reality is the only
"dancing" was by a small group of Palestinians who may or may not have been doing it in exchange for candy depending on which story you read.

 

[rhodescholar]

Dude, if someone makes a claim, they better be prepared to be called on to provide evidence to support it. The constant ducking is noteworthy.

Who is ducking anything? Multiple links have been provided supporting the claims made, that you won't accept them is pissing in the wind, no one gives a ****.

When a person posts legitimate links proving their point, and all you do is troll and demand more "evidence," you're full of shit. That you have mod status means nothing, you are no more honest or credible than any of the dipshits in my sig.

 

[rhodescholar]

You...a judge of credible posters?

Given that most of the dung in my sig has been banned, and I've outlasted all of that garbage, then yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

Your euphemisms are ******* laughable non-sense; "government mismanagement"....

"Oh we're sorry, we didn't mean to throw you off of a building, attack your churches, threaten to kill your families if you don't allow us to fire rockets from your backyards..."

Ethnic cleansing can be done in many ways, not jut pointing a gun at someone head and demanding they run for their ******* lives, grow up.

 

[theliq]

What are you blabbering now? No real Jew can ever be a anti Zionist. That makes them anti Judaism...

Of course Jews hate Zionism.......
steve

Yanno, you've made a lot of pompous, stupid comments here but that right there is about the dimmest one anyone has ever posted. Thanks for the laugh, Idiot.

What is it with you and the truth ????

 

[theliq]

Of course Jews hate Zionism.......
steve

Steve those voices in your head aren't Jews. Just because some mentally unstable, alcoholic, Jew hating blowhard gets on the Internet and makes the insane claim that "Jews are against Zionism" doesn't mean jack shit. You are not a Jew nor have you been around Jews. It's pretty obvious you have absolutely no knowledge of what Zionism means and the history of the region.

Sober up and go get yourself a good psychiatrist.

His actual words were "Of course Jews hate Zionism" and the only mentally unstable, alcoholic, Jew hating blowhard making such stupid claims here is - drum roll, please - TheLiq.

Some Jews do and you know it.....Zionism is a scurge.....all Zionists need a Psychiatrist, PERIOD.steve

 

[theliq]

You...a judge of credible posters?

Given that most of the dung in my sig has been banned, and I've outlasted all of that garbage, then yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

Your euphemisms are ******* laughable non-sense; "government mismanagement"....

"Oh we're sorry, we didn't mean to throw you off of a building, attack your churches, threaten to kill your families if you don't allow us to fire rockets from your backyards..."

Ethnic cleansing can be done in many ways, not jut pointing a gun at someone head and demanding they run for their ******* lives, grow up.

Over 100,000 Palestinians Slaughtered to 20,000 Jews Slaughtered......it's all in the numbers and facts Rhodie,you are on a hiding to nothing here,,,SLAP,SLAP.steve

 

[theliq]

No Peace Any Time Soon, but Not Because of Bibi

Palestinians have demonstrated neither the will nor the leadership to sign a deal with Israel.

Of all the idiocies uttered in reaction to Benjamin Netanyahu’s stunning election victory, none is more ubiquitous than the idea that peace prospects are now dead because Netanyahu has declared that there will be no Palestinian state while he is Israel’s prime minister.

I have news for the lowing herds: There would be no peace and no Palestinian state if Isaac Herzog were prime minister either. Or Ehud Barak or Ehud Olmert for that matter. The latter two were (non-Likud) prime ministers who offered the Palestinians their own state — with its capital in Jerusalem and every Israeli settlement in the new Palestine uprooted — only to be rudely rejected. This is not ancient history. This is 2000, 2001, and 2008 — three astonishingly concessionary peace offers within the last 15 years. Every one rejected.

RIGHT The fundamental reality remains: This generation of Palestinian leadership — from Yasser Arafat to Mahmoud Abbas — has never and will never sign its name to a final peace settlement dividing the land with a Jewish state. And without that, no Israeli government of any kind will agree to a Palestinian state.

Read more at: National Review

I think you should really have said "With the Israeli leadership of today"........and why would you say "Stunning Election Victory" when in reality 70% of the population DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR HIM.....is ridiculous.......it shows your complete bias.siam

 

[Hossfly]

No Peace Any Time Soon, but Not Because of Bibi

Palestinians have demonstrated neither the will nor the leadership to sign a deal with Israel.

Of all the idiocies uttered in reaction to Benjamin Netanyahu’s stunning election victory, none is more ubiquitous than the idea that peace prospects are now dead because Netanyahu has declared that there will be no Palestinian state while he is Israel’s prime minister.

I have news for the lowing herds: There would be no peace and no Palestinian state if Isaac Herzog were prime minister either. Or Ehud Barak or Ehud Olmert for that matter. The latter two were (non-Likud) prime ministers who offered the Palestinians their own state — with its capital in Jerusalem and every Israeli settlement in the new Palestine uprooted — only to be rudely rejected. This is not ancient history. This is 2000, 2001, and 2008 — three astonishingly concessionary peace offers within the last 15 years. Every one rejected.

RIGHT The fundamental reality remains: This generation of Palestinian leadership — from Yasser Arafat to Mahmoud Abbas — has never and will never sign its name to a final peace settlement dividing the land with a Jewish state. And without that, no Israeli government of any kind will agree to a Palestinian state.

Read more at: National Review

I think you should really have said "With the Israeli leadership of today"........and why would you say "Stunning Election Victory" when in reality 70% of the population DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR HIM.....is ridiculous.......it shows your complete bias.siam

Steve, as I said before, there are 25 partys and 70% of the population voted for their partys in order to gain seats in the Knesset. Some partys got 4, 6,10, 13 seats. Bibi's party got 29 or 30 seats to their closest rival's 24. That is a landslide vote. No party has ever gotten 50% of the votes in an election. Please don't make me think you have Palestinian mentality even if you're trying hard to be that.

 

[theliq]

I never get upset on subjects like these far from it,maybe you are seeing a reflection of yourself,who knows!!!!!! But I do get Upset when I see Israeli and Palestinian children and babies......slaughtered in this on going schism.Therein lies the difference between us.........I'm strong you are Shallow.steve

You get upset when Musłims slaughter babies and innocent people to the tune of hundreds of thousands? No you don't. Stop bullsteining, It's all about those evil Jooooooos to you.

Yes of course I do,I think these various ISIS scum should be eliminated completely.Stop trying to assume anything about me because those that go on assumption are always wrong....You see Roudy you ask a direct question I'll always give you one.........ISIS are happy to slaughter anyone who disagrees with their Mad interpretation of Islam.

How you equate ISIS mentality to all Muslims is completely wrong......And you know it.so stop the rhetoric and be sensible..steve........as for your derogatory term JOOOOOOOOS,cut the shit,the majority of Jewish folk are fine and am proud to call many FRIENDS......but NOT ZIONISTS for obvious reasons.Like ISIS they are and have been "Dealers in DEATH"

What are you blabbering now? No real Jew can ever be a anti Zionist. That makes them anti Judaism, since Zionism and the love and yearning for Israel is part of the fabric of Judaism, as much as the Pope and Vatican is part of the fabric of Catholicism, or Mecca is for Islam. Go educate yourself before you show your ignorance again. Even those crazy cultist Jews which comprise of less than .0000000000001% of JEWISH population are Zionist, they just disagree on the timing of when Jews are supposed to be there.

Of course Jews hate Zionism.......The Zionists have over the years tried to entwine themselves with Judaism as to be one and the same.....Ultra Jews and the rest of the world will politely tell you this is NOT TRUE............Your crappy summation should tell you that you are spewing the Zionist Mantra,we all realize that it's all bullshit Zionist indoctorination.....and the weak buggers would follow such tripe(a touch of ISIS imitation here of course).

I will take you back if I may to the Pre-Zionist days......There was Judaism.....but Zionism never existed...did it you trolls

For a Terrorist Organization to now align themselves Corruptly to Judaism,merely Corrupts one of the worlds Great Religions......but you Zionist show no shame, yet are the Most Shameful.....You by definition have given the Jewish people a bad name.

Your Premise is total lies and Zionist Bullshit.........Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism at all and non-Zionist would tell you that.

What Roudy is propounding is in reality the "GREAT ZIONIST LIE"..........Zionists are merely DEALERS IN DEATH......which is exactly why the were formed in the first place in the 1880's.

Interesting that during your BOLLOCKED DIATRIBE,I NOTE HOW YOU DEMEAN OTHER JEWS..but that's the Zionist methodology and mantra.....and it speaks volumes......of the type of Zionist posters we have here.......with your arrogance you may think you are the big tree.......but you forget I AM THE SMALL AXE......ready to cut you down .................and I do because I have truth and right on my side........and truth always wins against BULLSHIT.

I was born a Winner..........you all after 7th Grade became Losers.............And it shows...............You are not Moral People or/and Organization,

You really are a very SAD pack of Bastards,but then that is Your Life.I'm sad to say....YOU NO NOT THE MINUTE NOR THE HOUR

steve

Steve those voices in your head aren't Jews. Just because some mentally unstable, alcoholic, Jew hating blowhard gets on the Internet and makes the insane claim that "Jews are against Zionism" doesn't mean jack shit. You are not a Jew nor have you been around Jews. It's pretty obvious you have absolutely no knowledge of what Zionism means and the history of the region.

Sober up and go get yourself a good psychiatrist.

Well I have actually.......but as you Guys are always complaining that I am some Islamist promoter I will give you my opinion on this oppressive Group of Islamist that go under the banner of ISIS and their off-shoots,and why some Islamic Traditions must be rejected to end Extremism.
1. THE SUPREMACY OF LIFE AFTER DEATH...........The appeal of martyrdom will fade only when Muslims assign a greater value to the rewards of this life than to those promised in Death and the hereafter.
2. SHARIA,THE VAST BODY OF RELIGIOUS LEGISLATION........Muslims should learn to put dynamic,evolving laws made by human beings above those aspects of Sharia,that are violent,intolerant and/or anachronistic.
3. THE RIGHT OF INDIVIDUAL MUSLIMS TO ENFORCE ISLAMIC LAW......There is no room in the modern world for religious Police,Vigilantes and politically empowered clerics.(sometimes this also rears its ugly head in Israel,as we saw last year).
4.THE IMPERATIVE TO WAGE JIHAD,OR HOLY WAR.......Islam must become a true religion of peace,which means rejecting the imposition of religion by the sword.(This was used extensively by many faiths in the past,including the Crusaders and the Christians that invaded Spain)and is being extensively used at the moment by ISIS(Change religion or die by the sword,these are not just words,it's fact that these cnuts are doing to innocents).

I know that this argument will make some Muslims uncomfortable.And some are bound to be offended....some will say theliq,you are not qualified to discuss these complex issues of theology and law. But this is not a work of theology,more a public intervention.

I think one of the biggest obstacles to change within the Muslim world is the suppression of critical thinking by the individual.steve.

I support and Desire a free and Peaceful Palestine.......and Israel.

Nothing more,Nothing Less

 

[theliq]

No Peace Any Time Soon, but Not Because of Bibi

Palestinians have demonstrated neither the will nor the leadership to sign a deal with Israel.

Of all the idiocies uttered in reaction to Benjamin Netanyahu’s stunning election victory, none is more ubiquitous than the idea that peace prospects are now dead because Netanyahu has declared that there will be no Palestinian state while he is Israel’s prime minister.

I have news for the lowing herds: There would be no peace and no Palestinian state if Isaac Herzog were prime minister either. Or Ehud Barak or Ehud Olmert for that matter. The latter two were (non-Likud) prime ministers who offered the Palestinians their own state — with its capital in Jerusalem and every Israeli settlement in the new Palestine uprooted — only to be rudely rejected. This is not ancient history. This is 2000, 2001, and 2008 — three astonishingly concessionary peace offers within the last 15 years. Every one rejected.

RIGHT The fundamental reality remains: This generation of Palestinian leadership — from Yasser Arafat to Mahmoud Abbas — has never and will never sign its name to a final peace settlement dividing the land with a Jewish state. And without that, no Israeli government of any kind will agree to a Palestinian state.

Read more at: National Review

I think you should really have said "With the Israeli leadership of today"........and why would you say "Stunning Election Victory" when in reality 70% of the population DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR HIM.....is ridiculous.......it shows your complete bias.siam

Steve, as I said before, there are 25 partys and 70% of the population voted for their partys in order to gain seats in the Knesset. Some partys got 4, 6,10, 13 seats. Bibi's party got 29 or 30 seats to their closest rival's 24. That is a landslide vote. No party has ever gotten 50% of the votes in an election. Please don't make me think you have Palestinian mentality even if you're trying hard to be that.

I don't care who's mentality I have Hoss............LOL........Now the reason The Most Forward Thinking Peoples of the World,Australians have A PREFERENTIAL SYSTEM OF VOTING Hoss is because the WINNING PARTY ALWAYS HAVE OVER 50% OF THE VOTE.......we live in the 21st Century,regrettably you all are living somewhere in the past.....50%+ is the only way........30% of a vote Hoss IS NOT A MAJORITY and therefore not Democratic in a real sense.
Please don't make me think you have an American or Israeli mentality,even though you are trying sooooo hard to be that.

I love ya Hoss but I can see I am going to have to DRAG YOU AND YOUR MENTALITY INTO THE 21 CENTURY........your friend steve

 

[theliq]

Where on earth do you find these pics of mirth...steve You have NAILED IT yet again