Zone1 What Might Happen if Russia Puts Oreshniks in Cuba?

[georgephillip]

Let's ask Google:

"Placing Russian Oreshnik hypersonic missiles in Cuba would trigger a major, 1962-style geopolitical crisis, drastically elevating the risk of direct nuclear confrontation.

"With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response."

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Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

 

[AZrailwhale]

Let's ask Google:

"Placing Russian Oreshnik hypersonic missiles in Cuba would trigger a major, 1962-style geopolitical crisis, drastically elevating the risk of direct nuclear confrontation.

"With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response."

If anyone cares to respond to this hypothetical, please consider revealing if you remember...
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

I think any Russian ships bound for Cuba, or anywhere in the Western hemisphere carrying missiles would have regrettable accidents at sea. The Russian military isn't stupid enough to court actual war with the USA given its poor performance in Ukraine and Syria and the outstanding performance of the USA's weaponry and personnel in Iran. Either the ships would break down in harbor preventing sailing, or breakdown at sea needing a tow to the nearest port and a custom's inspection.

 

[georgephillip]

I think any Russian ships bound for Cuba, or anywhere in the Western hemisphere carrying missiles would have regrettable accidents at sea. The Russian military isn't stupid enough to court actual war with the USA given its poor performance in Ukraine and Syria and the outstanding performance of the USA's weaponry and personnel in Iran. Either the ships would break down in harbor preventing sailing, or breakdown at sea needing a tow to the nearest port and a custom's inspection.

When's the last time the US won a war against a peer competitor?

What prevents Russia from supplying the Oreshniks and launchers by air?

Google AI Overview:

• "Defense Overmatch: The Oreshnik is designed to defeat modern missile defense systems, creating a significant 'checkmate' scenario for US security."

 

[toobfreak]

Let's ask Google

Because we know Google would never lie.

With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response.

Right. Russia wants to force us into a massive, escalatory response!
Meantime, the left bitches that we cannot sustain an attack with ordinary rockets and bombs but just how many Mach 10 missiles (that is half the escape velocity of the Earth into space) do you think Russia will be sending? I bet those puppies cost a fortune!

 

[AZrailwhale]

When's the last time the US won a war against a peer competitor?

What prevents Russia from supplying the Oreshniks and launchers by air?

Google AI Overview:

• "Defense Overmatch: The Oreshnik is designed to defeat modern missile defense systems, creating a significant 'checkmate' scenario for US security."

You keep repeating that falsehood. When was the past time America FOUGHT a war against a "peer competitor"? We haven't since WWII. When we fight smaller wars people like you complain about the ROEs that would let us win, then vilify the troops who you caused to be defeated.

 

[luiza]

For what sane reason would Russia use Cuba now as a missile launch pad?
It has full control of events in Ukraine and is literally slaughtering residual opposition.
It is letting Iran front its interest in the ME --- be that fortuitously or by design .

And should Israel be effectively wiped out, Russia might then find ways to strengthen its presence in this area .

There is no need to provoke the US as it tends to provoke itself, and because it faces stark bankruptcy the US has more and more limited ways of defending itself or successfully using bullying tactics to achieve selfish results .

If the US and Israelis lose this Terrorist war, which is becoming more and more likely , it will change overall power balances and in general terms Russia will be on the front foot and the US will be back pedalling and licking its wounds .

 

[georgephillip]

You keep repeating that falsehood. When was the past time America FOUGHT a war against a "peer competitor"? We haven't since WWII. When we fight smaller wars people like you complain about the ROEs that would let us win, then vilify the troops who you caused to be defeated.

With the (possible) exception of the 1990-'91 Gulf War, every war the US has fought since 1945 has been a war of aggression which means we did not deserve to wage the conflict much less win it.

GoogleAI Overview:

"The Nuremberg trials (1945–1946) established that initiating a war of aggression is the 'supreme international crime,' containing the accumulated evil of all other war crimes.

"As part of the International Military Tribunal (IMT), this legal doctrine held political and military leaders personally responsible for planning and waging illegal wars."

Trump and Hegseth are war criminals regardless of where they were born.

 

[georgephillip]

For what sane reason would Russia use Cuba now as a missile launch pad?
It has full control of events in Ukraine and is literally slaughtering residual opposition.
It is letting Iran front its interest in the ME --- be that fortuitously or by design .

And should Israel be effectively wiped out, Russia might then find ways to strengthen its presence in this area .

There is no need to provoke the US as it tends to provoke itself, and because it faces stark bankruptcy the US has more and more limited ways of defending itself or successfully using bullying tactics to achieve selfish results .

If the US and Israelis lose this Terrorist war, which is becoming more and more likely , it will change overall power balances and in general terms Russia will be on the front foot and the US will be back pedalling and licking its wounds .

I should have used the word "hypothetical" several times in my OP. I'm pretty sure most Russians would agree with your criticisms.

I find myself pondering the effects Oreshniks would visit upon:

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[georgephillip]

If the US and Israelis lose this Terrorist war, which is becoming more and more likely , it will change overall power balances and in general terms Russia will be on the front foot and the US will be back pedalling and licking its wound

Here is a Facebook link alleging Itamar Ben Gvir has been "seriously wounded" from an Iranian missle strike on his home:
Facebook

 

[AZrailwhale]

With the (possible) exception of the 1990-'91 Gulf War, every war the US has fought since 1945 has been a war of aggression which means we did not deserve to wage the conflict much less win it.

GoogleAI Overview:

"The Nuremberg trials (1945–1946) established that initiating a war of aggression is the 'supreme international crime,' containing the accumulated evil of all other war crimes.

"As part of the International Military Tribunal (IMT), this legal doctrine held political and military leaders personally responsible for planning and waging illegal wars."

Trump and Hegseth are war criminals regardless of where they were born.

That’s bullcrap. Korea, the South Korean government asked the UN for help repelling the unprovoked invasion by North Korea. Vietnam- the South Vietnamese government asked SEATO for help repelling another unprovoked communist invasion/insurgency. Kuwait- the government asked for help to reconquer their country from Saddam’s unprovoked invasion. Gulf War II, Saddam was refusing to live up to the terms of the cease fire he begged to sign. Iran- has been waging war by proxy and killing Americans since 1997.

 

[georgephillip]

That’s bullcrap. Korea, the South Korean government asked the UN for help repelling the unprovoked invasion by North Korea. Vietnam- the South Vietnamese government asked SEATO for help repelling another unprovoked communist invasion/insurgency. Kuwait- the government asked for help to reconquer their country from Saddam’s unprovoked invasion. Gulf War II, Saddam was refusing to live up to the terms of the cease fire he begged to sign. Iran- has been waging war by proxy and killing Americans since 1997.

"The last time the United States Congress formally declared war was during World War II, with the final declarations issued on June 5, 1942, against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.

"While the U.S. has engaged in major conflicts since, such as Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, these were authorized by force resolutions, not formal declarations."

GoogleAI Overview

US puppet governments in South Korea and South Vietnam faced massive domestic opposition to US interventions in their countries; there was no congressional authorization for either conflict.

Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil which constituted a direct provocation for Saddam's invasion.

The 2003 US invasion of Iraq was the biggest mistake in foreign policy until Trump.

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[toobfreak]

With the (possible) exception of the 1990-'91 Gulf War,

Possible exception after our WTC was destroyed and the Pentagon attacked and the WH targeted? Possible? What-- do you have a wind-up key in the back of your neck?

every war the US has fought since 1945 has been a war of aggression

Give us a list of all the wars which did not involve aggression?
Both Vietnam and Korea and the rest were wars of aggression by communists moving in and trying to take these countries over, we only sought to contain them. We were the good guys.

which means we did not deserve to wage the conflict much less win it.

Try telling that to the S. Vietnamese and Koreans who welcomed us in and thanked us for our help.

Trump and Hegseth are war criminals regardless of where they were born.

Is that the Iranian POV? Or maybe the Chinese?

 

[PeterPilot]

Let's ask Google:

"Placing Russian Oreshnik hypersonic missiles in Cuba would trigger a major, 1962-style geopolitical crisis, drastically elevating the risk of direct nuclear confrontation.

"With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response."

If anyone cares to respond to this hypothetical, please consider revealing if you remember...
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

My understanding is that Russian submarines carry a smaller version, same technology. Land based missiles are convenient, but sea-launched work pretty much the same.

 

[georgephillip]

My understanding is that Russian submarines carry a smaller version, same technology. Land based missiles are convenient, but sea-launched work pretty much the same.

Thanks, I did not realize Russian submarines had that potential.

I'm viewing this hypothetical scenario through the eyes of someone who lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis.

As I recall, a big part of the psychological impact (terror?) from the Soviet buildup in Cuba was the pictures of missile launchers being erected in Cuba.

Submarines may be just as deadly, but they are hidden. Americans would not have the opportunity to see the Oreshniks in the same way we would if they were installed on Cuban real estate.

 

[Cassandro]

The USSR placed missiles in Cuba in response to US missiles in Turkey. Both were removed.

If Russia tried to place missiles in Cuba, the US would probably place them in Europe and invade Cuba.

Not a good idea for Russia.

 

[georgephillip]

The USSR placed missiles in Cuba in response to US missiles in Turkey. Both were removed.

If Russia tried to place missiles in Cuba, the US would probably place them in Europe and invade Cuba.

Not a good idea for Russia.

The US hasn't won a war since 1991, at least.
Russian knows this.
Russians also know the US military has operated on their borders since 1945
Fighting Iran was a bad idea for the US; fighting Russia is fatal.

It appears the US already has nuclear weapons in Europe and is in the process of deploying long-range conventional missiles in Germany:

GoogleAI Overview

"Yes, the United States is in the process of deploying long-range conventional offensive missiles to Germany, starting in 2026, including Tomahawk cruise missiles, SM-6 missiles, and developmental hypersonic weapons.

"Additionally, the U.S. maintains about 100 tactical nuclear B61 gravity bombs at NATO bases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey."

 

[Godboy]

Let's ask Google:

"Placing Russian Oreshnik hypersonic missiles in Cuba would trigger a major, 1962-style geopolitical crisis, drastically elevating the risk of direct nuclear confrontation.

"With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response."

If anyone cares to respond to this hypothetical, please consider revealing if you remember...
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

I imagine that we are already planning on regime change in Cuba. This would be a gift for Trump. I hope Russia does this so we can put an end to Cuba's nonsense once and for all.

 

[Godboy]

When's the last time the US won a war against a peer competitor?

There is no "peer competitor". The only thing that China and Russia have are nukes. We have those too, but if you remove them from the equation due to MAD, then they have nothing.

China is protected by their short range missiles, but outside of their own territory they aint shit. It would ALSO be a hell of a lot easier for us to invade China than the other way around.

 

[westwall]

Let's ask Google:

"Placing Russian Oreshnik hypersonic missiles in Cuba would trigger a major, 1962-style geopolitical crisis, drastically elevating the risk of direct nuclear confrontation.

"With Mach 10 speeds and a ~5,000 km range, these missiles could strike the US mainland instantly, bypassing current defense systems, likely forcing a massive, escalatory US response."

If anyone cares to respond to this hypothetical, please consider revealing if you remember...
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

Easy, we take Cuba.

 

[Godboy]

And should Israel be effectively wiped out, Russia might then find ways to strengthen its presence in this area .

Youre living in a dream world if you think anything like that will happen in your lifetime. Israel isnt going ANYWHERE!