Zone1 Misogyny vs Misandry

[Cassandro]

Although these terms are often compared as hatred of the opposite sex, misogyny and misandry are fundamentally different concepts. Misogyny is a political term used to describe social behavior and norms that are viewed as detrimental to women in general. Misandry is a personal resentment by some women against men, whom they believe are responsible for their own dissatisfaction with their lives. Ironically, both terms are primarily used by women rather than men.

This reveals a fundamentally different definition of "hatred" between these terms. Men do not personally hate women in general, even if they dislike them. However, some women do hate men in general because of their own perceived oppression. Thus the former "hatred" is a fiction, whereas the latter is a disturbing fact.

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[1srelluc]

It's women's history month....That should tell you all you need to know right there.

Women's History Month is an annual observance in March celebrating the contributions and achievements of women throughout history and society.

 

[Eman623]

Schools don't indoctrinate kids in toxic femininity.

 

[Unkotare]

Schools don't indoctrinate kids in toxic femininity.

More feminine attitudes and actions are promoted, and typically male attitudes and actions are considered some kind of threat to society. Females should be females and males should be males. Both are natural. Of course people can be however they want to be, but neither is "toxic."

 

[Dragonlady]

More feminine attitudes and actions are promoted, and typically male attitudes and actions are considered some kind of threat to society. Females should be females and males should be males. Both are natural. Of course people can be however they want to be, but neither is "toxic."

"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them." - Margaret Atwood.

This has been true since I was a child, and it's not getting any better for women. 1 in 4 women are raped in their lifetime. If that's not "toxic" behaviour, what is???

At a conference, men were seated on one side of the room and women on the other. The speaker asked both groups to write down what they did every day, to keep from being raped. The women filled pages of things they routinely do, from how they dress, to where they park their vehicles. The men turned in blank pages.

Pretending there is no problem is ignoring what is right in front of you.

 

[Eman623]

"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them." - Margaret Atwood.

This has been true since I was a child, and it's not getting any better for women. 1 in 4 women are raped in their lifetime. If that's not "toxic" behaviour, what is???

At a conference, men were seated on one side of the room and women on the other. The speaker asked both groups to write down what they did every day, to keep from being raped. The women filled pages of things they routinely do, from how they dress, to where they park their vehicles. The men turned in blank pages.

Pretending there is no problem is ignoring what is right in front of you.

The definition of "rape" in that 1-in-4 is so broad that if I just smacked you on the butt it would count as rape. But that's neither here nor there.

Teaching little boys that their masculinity is toxic, and teaching little girls to fear boys won't help, but it will hurt.

A 'failure to launch': Why young people are having less sex

Nearly 40% of young adults surveyed in California in 2021 had no sexual partners in the prior year. Millennials and Gen Zers are having less sex than earlier generations.

www.latimes.com

 

[citygator]

Although these terms are often compared as hatred of the opposite sex, misogyny and misandry are fundamentally different concepts. Misogyny is a political term used to describe social behavior and norms that are viewed as detrimental to women in general. Misandry is a personal resentment by some women against men, whom they believe are responsible for their own dissatisfaction with their lives. Ironically, both terms are primarily used by women rather than men.

This reveals a fundamentally different definition of "hatred" between these terms. Men do not personally hate women in general, even if they dislike them. However, some women do hate men in general because of their own perceived oppression. Thus the former "hatred" is a fiction, whereas the latter is a disturbing fact.

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Then why are 90% of murders of women committed by men and 70% of their murders are committed by an intimate partner?

 

[BothWings]

Although these terms are often compared as hatred of the opposite sex, misogyny and misandry are fundamentally different concepts. Misogyny is a political term used to describe social behavior and norms that are viewed as detrimental to women in general. Misandry is a personal resentment by some women against men, whom they believe are responsible for their own dissatisfaction with their lives. Ironically, both terms are primarily used by women rather than men.

This reveals a fundamentally different definition of "hatred" between these terms. Men do not personally hate women in general, even if they dislike them. However, some women do hate men in general because of their own perceived oppression. Thus the former "hatred" is a fiction, whereas the latter is a disturbing fact.

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Many men view women as treacherous, dishonest, selfish bitches. And many times rightfully so. Many women view men as selfish, dishonest, abusive assholes. And many times rightfully so. Some people steer clear of the opposite sex, and some still pursue relationships with them attempting to get as much as possibly be for as little as possible. My view is that people in general often just plain suck. If you're a guy, it will usually be more important when dealing with a woman, and is you're a woman the reverse is true. Most people consider romantic and sexual relationships to be among the most important/apex things in an individual's life. Therefore when an asshole (of which there are many) is the opposite sex, it is treated with more concern and more defensive, self protective behavior. And sometimes up to and including proactive spite too. This can go a little way or a long way. I generally expect NOT to like most women when I get to know them. And many times I find that I was not wrong about the assumption at all. Once in awhile one proves me wrong. I generally keep most of my negativity to myself regarding this. Not always but usually.

 

[Unkotare]

"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them." - Margaret Atwood.

This has been true since I was a child, and it's not getting any better for women. 1 in 4 women are raped in their lifetime. If that's not "toxic" behaviour, what is???

At a conference, men were seated on one side of the room and women on the other. The speaker asked both groups to write down what they did every day, to keep from being raped. The women filled pages of things they routinely do, from how they dress, to where they park their vehicles. The men turned in blank pages.

Pretending there is no problem is ignoring what is right in front of you.

Pretending you don't hate men is dishonest.

 

[Dragonlady]

The definition of "rape" in that 1-in-4 is so broad that if I just smacked you on the butt it would count as rape. But that's neither here nor there.

Teaching little boys that their masculinity is toxic, and teaching little girls to fear boys won't help, but it will hurt.

A 'failure to launch': Why young people are having less sex

Nearly 40% of young adults surveyed in California in 2021 had no sexual partners in the prior year. Millennials and Gen Zers are having less sex than earlier generations.

www.latimes.com

If you think that women are just getting "smacked on the butt", think again, asshole. And then to say "that's neither here nor there". Real smart of you dipshit.

How about teaching little boys not to rape? That would be a start. Then we wouldn't have to teach little girls how to keep themselves from being raped, because we do have to do that now. Because of assholes like you.

Women are literally giving up on men, because of attitudes like yours.

 

[DGS49]

You might have included a mention of misanthropy, which is my own guiding principle.

I agree that misogyny and misandry are different in nature, as are homosexuality and lesbianism. Any man publicly criticizing any public female is immediately branded a misogynist, regardless of the merits of the criticism. For example, when Donald Trump called Rosie O'Donnell an ugly, no talent cow - for the record, factually true - it was deemed misogyny, and hence Trump "hates women." Misandry doesn't get any "press" because the Media agrees basically that all men are scum, especially White men, so what's the point of calling attention to hatred of men? It's only normal.

"Hate" has become a marketable commodity in today's world, analogous to "racist," the most common slander. If you deny the biological validity of the trans phenomenon, you are immediately branded a hater of trans people. If you condemn homosexual marriage, you are a hater and a "homo-phobe," a preposterous made-up slander; you are presumed to also hate "hate" lesbians...and the rest of the sexual irregulars.

I would add a related question for consideration about the 2016 and 2024 elections: Did more people vote FOR the female candidates than voted AGAINST them because they were female? My guess is that they GOT more votes for being wimmin than they LOST for being wimmin. But then, I'm a misogynist, so my opinion must be taken with the proverbial seasoning.

 

[Dragonlady]

Have you screamed in the middle of a drum circle today?

Many men view women as treacherous, dishonest, selfish bitches. And many times rightfully so. Many women view men as selfish, dishonest, abusive assholes. And many times rightfully so. Some people steer clear of the opposite sex, and some still pursue relationships with them attempting to get as much as possibly be for as little as possible. My view is that people in general often just plain suck. If you're a guy, it will usually be more important when dealing with a woman, and is you're a woman the reverse is true. Most people consider romantic and sexual relationships to be among the most important/apex things in an individual's life. Therefore when an asshole (of which there are many) is the opposite sex, it is treated with more concern and more defensive, self protective behavior. And sometimes up to and including proactive spite too. This can go a little way or a long way. I generally expect NOT to like most women when I get to know them. And many times I find that I was not wrong about the assumption at all. Once in awhile one proves me wrong. I generally keep most of my negativity to myself regarding this. Not always but usually.

Your negative view of people comes through in your dealings with them, and your belief that you won't like them, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think most people are decent and good, and generally, they are. People tend to live up or down to your expectations of them.

But the people in this forum are so full of self loathing and hatred towards others, it makes we wonder how they get through their lives. This board is a reflection of the surveys quoted in the links.

You can't have a country when one half hates the other.

 

[Dragonlady]

You might have included a mention of misanthropy, which is my own guiding principle.

I agree that misogyny and misandry are different in nature, as are homosexuality and lesbianism. Any man publicly criticizing any public female is immediately branded a misogynist, regardless of the merits of the criticism. For example, when Donald Trump called Rosie O'Donnell an ugly, no talent cow - for the record, factually true - it was deemed misogyny, and hence Trump "hates women." Misandry doesn't get any "press" because the Media agrees basically that all men are scum, especially White men, so what's the point of calling attention to hatred of men? It's only normal.

"Hate" has become a marketable commodity in today's world, analogous to "racist," the most common slander. If you deny the biological validity of the trans phenomenon, you are immediately branded a hater of trans people. If you condemn homosexual marriage, you are a hater and a "homo-phobe," a preposterous made-up slander; you are presumed to also hate "hate" lesbians...and the rest of the sexual irregulars.

I would add a related question for consideration about the 2016 and 2024 elections: Did more people vote FOR the female candidates than voted AGAINST them because they were female? My guess is that they GOT more votes for being wimmin than they LOST for being wimmin. But then, I'm a misogynist, so my opinion must be taken with the proverbial seasoning.

Rosie O'Donnell is NOT a "no-talent cow". She's not to my taste, and I have heard she's was a complete ***** to work with, but those are different issues.

You, however, have proven your misogyny.

 

[Unkotare]

Your negative view of people comes through in your dealings with them, and your belief that you won't like them, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think most people are decent and good, and generally, they are. People tend to live up or down to your expectations of them.

But the people in this forum are so full of self loathing and hatred towards others, it makes we wonder how they get through their lives. This board is a reflection of the surveys quoted in the links.

You can't have a country when one half hates the other.

And yet YOU hate half of humanity. Hypocrite.

 

[Dragonlady]

And yet YOU hate half of humanity. Hypocrite.

Where I have ever said I hate anyone? I don't hate anyone. Hate destroys the haters, and does nothing to the object of your hate.

You're simply projecting all of your negativity onto others.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Pretending you don't hate men is dishonest.

....and just about everything else in life as well.

 

[Eman623]

If you think that women are just getting "smacked on the butt", think again, asshole. And then to say "that's neither here nor there". Real smart of you dipshit.

Such misandry! Your hate blinds you to my actual point. Your 1-in-4 number is a fiction. Complete bullshit.

How about teaching little boys not to rape? That would be a start. Then we wouldn't have to teach little girls how to keep themselves from being raped, because we do have to do that now. Because of assholes like you.

How about teaching little girls not to hate men. Clearly too late for you.

Women are literally giving up on men, because of attitudes like yours.

You got it exactly backwards. Actually they are giving up because of attitudes like yours!

Sadly, it's not making women or men happier. People are having fewer relationships, less sex, are lonelier and angrier at the other sex than ever before.

 

[Unkotare]

Where I have ever said I hate anyone?

In your every post on this thread. Don't play coy.

 

[BothWings]

Your negative view of people comes through in your dealings with them, and your belief that you won't like them, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think most people are decent and good, and generally, they are. People tend to live up or down to your expectations of them.

But the people in this forum are so full of self loathing and hatred towards others, it makes we wonder how they get through their lives. This board is a reflection of the surveys quoted in the links.

You can't have a country when one half hates the other.

Nope I have given many people a chance to show that they all right

Your negative view of people comes through in your dealings with them, and your belief that you won't like them, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think most people are decent and good, and generally, they are. People tend to live up or down to your expectations of them.

But the people in this forum are so full of self loathing and hatred towards others, it makes we wonder how they get through their lives. This board is a reflection of the surveys quoted in the links.

You can't have a country when one half hates the other.

Nope. I give everyone a chance. And I often regret it. (My standards and your standards may not be the same either). Just some examples: I am not one of those people to not say good morning to coworkers, even when I'm not feeling well. When people repeatedly are like that with me I cut them off. There are many reasons I don't bother with many people. I also don't like people who just talk incessantly for hours often just bitching, and whining when you're obviously tired, not feeling well or not that interested and don't respond much. They don't care, as long as there's an ear there. If that becomes a regular thing I also cut those people off. And of course people who are just plain nasty, or who never apologize for anything, but always expect you to. No place for that in my life.

When I moved to the city I now live in, my very first boss here complained that I used words that were too sophisticated, within 10 minutes of meeting me. I wasnt trying to be high-brow. I'm an intelligent person and that's simply how I talk. Another person I could not care less about knowing.

I also don't like people who upon first meeting me act like I should feel blessed to know them. I'll be the judge of that in due time, and I don't like undue "familiarity" from people who really don't know me. I like the phrase "don't bro me if you dont know me". I hate it when people who don't know me from Adam start calling me brother and acting like we've known each other for a long time.

I could go on but I won't. As I said, your standards may be different than mine. If you like having lots of people around you need a lot of closeness, ok. Fine have at it. I am happy without a lot of people around me and I stand by what I said. So far you have been more judgemental of me than I have of you, so there's that.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I can tell you this, that I would be skeptical about allowing a woman to run a business because of women’s sexuality nature.
Women are innately attracted to ‘that guy’. He becomes special to them and garners more attention and favor while the men who don’t fit that profile are discounted.
Bad business practice.
Human nature, not misogyny.