What MAGA gets RIGHT and what they get WRONG

[sartre play]

I mean you just blamed everyone yourself. That’s too simple: everyone sucks and there is no way out. That is wrong in my opinion but definitely lazy intellectually.

There are differences in paths.

No what AM SAYING IS that AMERICA needs to work together, doing the right thing
is more important than some politician (BOTH SIDES) keeping their job, or adding more money to their pile.

 

[sartre play]

Some people believe that illegal aliens don’t deserve to be here to take those jobs which would otherwise be available for American workers. Imagine that

And, just to parse your sophistry, immigrant laborers are fine on condition that their very presence here complies with our immigration laws. We are a sovereign nation and we get to decide who may be here and who may not.

Plus, our legal immigration is the most welcoming in the world.

YES we do. but in a fair and more balanced way. DO I have the answer NO.
Yet what is going on now is HATE run rampant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Blah blah blah. You have no answer here. The fact you think taking half of the wealth of the super rich does any harm is crazy. No one will miss it.

Hilarious!

You never said what the income range of the middle-class was and what their tax burden was, what are you avoiding?

 

[BackAgain]

YES we do. but in a fair and more balanced way. DO I have the answer NO.
Yet what is going on now is HATE run rampant.

Deporting illegal aliens is not “hate” at all. It is a sovereign nation enforcing its own laws on immigration.

Again, there may be a lengthy wait period involved. So be it. But apply for admission, properly, and comply with our laws, rules and regulations. Don’t jump the line. That’s not fair to the others.

And don’t assume that you can sneak in or overstay a visa without being tossed the **** out. And don’t think that just being here will entitle you to any benefits.

 

[BluesLegend]

What does MAGA get right?

That Democrats are lying lowlife shit stain scum! I love these easy questions.

 

[sartre play]

Deporting illegal aliens is not “hate” at all. It is a sovereign nation enforcing its own laws on immigration.

Again, there may be a lengthy wait period involved. So be it. But apply for admission, properly, and comply with our laws, rules and regulations. Don’t jump the line. That’s not fair to the others.

And don’t assume that you can sneak in or overstay a visa without being tossed the **** out. And don’t think that just being here will entitle you to any benefits.

CLEAR RULES NEEDED, Anger not helpful.

 

[BackAgain]

CLEAR RULES NEEDED, Anger not helpful.

There are clear rules for legal immigration.

And, I’m not angry if that’s what you’re claiming.

Plus, of course, if you are here in this land contrary to our laws, to shouldn’t have any expectation of obtaining benefits from our largesse. If you break our laws to enter or if you come here legally but then overstay, you shouldn’t expect anything but getting tossed back out.

It’s unclear why anyone would assume otherwise.

 

[citygator]

Hilarious!

You never said what the income range of the middle-class was and what their tax burden was, what are you avoiding?

Not avoiding it’s just a whole bunch of factors impact it like where you live, size of household. Etc. Generally I’d say $70k-200k is middle class which is 40% of folks. Average is $55k and I’d say that average today isn’t middle class.

Anything over $200k is top 10%. About $750k is top 1%.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not avoiding it’s just a whole bunch of factors impact it like where you live, size of household. Etc. Generally I’d say $70k-200k is middle class which is 40% of folks. Average is $55k and I’d say that average today isn’t middle class.

Anything over $200k is top 10%. About $750k is top 1%.

Generally I’d say $70k-200k is middle class which is 40% of folks.

Thanks!

Now what is the tax burden on them?

 

[citygator]

Generally I’d say $70k-200k is middle class which is 40% of folks.

Thanks!

Now what is the tax burden on them?

You tell me. Then tell me why that matters at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You tell me. Then tell me why that matters at all.

I’m for lowering the middle class tax burden and raising it on the rich. For clarity I am in the top 1% of earners.

You wanted to lower their tax burden. Why? Is it too high? Show me.

Unless their tax burden doesn't matter at all?

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

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"Income inequality" is gaslighting. It is not an important metric of anything; it is a politically-charged Leftist buzzword which tries to propel a false narrative, and convince people that they are victims because of greedy corporate executives. In reality, it's Dem policies.

Generally speaking, under Trump, everyone got richer. Under Obama and Biden, the middle class and poor got poorer, and only the wealthy got richer.

Source

 

[ThisIsMe]

It’s already “wasted” on trillions of war debt. You have to pay it. Your $37T from being able to save taxes.

Well, while I agree we war too much, sometimes its necessary. You think the money we've spent in ukraine is wasted?

I’m smart enough to know a pissed off working class is destabilizing and that if I want to keep my wealth growing it requires a content working class.

Seems like profits for the rich are already rocketing upwards, and this with a discontent working class.

Blah blah blah. You have no answer here. The fact you think taking half of the wealth of the super rich does any harm is crazy. No one will miss it.

If you think taxing away half the wealth of rich people is good, why haven't you given away half your wealth? You say you are in the 1% of earners, then you should be giving half your income away every year, right?

What i think is, you can't penalize and make unfair tax brackets for people just because they are rich. If you want fair, then make a flat tax, zero deductions or loopholes. E everyone above a certain level...say poverty + 20%, all pay the same rate on their total earned income. Capital gains is its own tax system.

I prefer a method of incentivizing the wealthy to he more generous rather than just taking from them. Our cotus doesnt allow for unfair taxation.