What MAGA gets RIGHT and what they get WRONG

[citygator]

BLAME BLAME BLAME, Anything but admitting that neither party works for us.
They just pick out personal social issues that are popular USE them.
Ignore the important issues that effect all our lives, No matter what party you like.

I mean you just blamed everyone yourself. That’s too simple: everyone sucks and there is no way out. That is wrong in my opinion but definitely lazy intellectually.

There are differences in paths.

 

[citygator]

Not really. The issue is with using the government to force such change. People don't like being told how to live, regardless of whether Ds or Rs are doing the telling.

That is 100% true. That’s why I tend to embrace personally liberty.

 

[citygator]

Blame immigration - both legal and illegal - for much of that

Too many low income foreigners creating a surplus in the job market

Combined with the export of manufacturing jobs to china and mexico

Our political and private sector leaders did little or nothing to protect the working class

You think the path to success for native born Americans is taking low wage manual labor away from immigrants?

Here’s a real question. Where are the people who want to pick strawberries today? Where are the people who think cleaning my house wil catapult them into the middle class if only there wasn’t an immigrant doing it?

You typed words but they are not backed up by reality. Take it to the next level and explain how ending immigration specifically achieves that goal.

I’ll show you how reducing consumers in the US and raising the price to live further will break our GDP and standard of living.

 

[citygator]

Sometimes I think we may have the worst education system in the civilized world

Too many libs simply dont know what they dont know

Silly. You throw out unsupported claims left in right. Debate me all you want but your childish insults are laughable. I’ll be glad to put my education up against yours.

 

[Mac-7]

You think the path to success for native born Americans is taking low wage manual labor away from immigrants?

Here’s a real question. Where are the people who want to pick strawberries today? Where are the people who think cleaning my house wil catapult them into the middle class if only there wasn’t an immigrant doing it?

You typed words but they are not backed up by reality. Take it to the next level and explain how ending immigration specifically achieves that goal.

I’ll show you how reducing consumers in the US and raising the price to live further will break our GDP and standard of living.

A surplus of labor depresses wages at all levels

So what is considered low income for some is not so low for others

If all the medical doctors around the world relocated to the US the income of native born doctors would fall

 

[Mac-7]

Silly. You throw out unsupported claims left in right. Debate me all you want but your childish insults are laughable. I’ll be glad to put my education up against yours.

I dont mean to insult you personally

You asked about picking strawberries

I can do better for myself than that

But if picking strawberries was the only thing that could keep me off of welfare I would pick strawberries

 

[citygator]

A surplus of labor depresses wages at all levels

So what is considered low income for some is not so low for others

If all the medical doctors around the world relocated to the US the income of native born doctors would fall

More generalities. If the strawberry picking industry lost all its immigrant labor explain how that catapults anyone into the middle class.

I’ll try for you:

A sudden stop to immigrant labor would raise food prices, shrink U.S. farm output (especially labor-intensive crops), accelerate imports, and trigger painful knock-on effects in rural economies—while delivering little to no real wage gains for the middle class.

Middle-class wages don’t rise meaningfully. The labor markets for farm work and for typical middle-class jobs scarcely overlap. Higher farm wages (where they occur) don’t translate into broader pay gains—but the grocery bill rises for everyone.

“Just pay more and Americans will do it.” Even large pay bumps don’t solve the mix of seasonality, mobility, heat exposure, injury risk, and speed/quality requirements. Trials after strict state laws have seen crops left in fields despite higher advertised wages and bonuses.

 

[j-mac]

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

www.devissues.nl

Oh please tell us what we should be doing as you dems wonder around the wilderness of no political power, and intransigent to change…

 

[dblack]

I mean you just blamed everyone yourself. That’s too simple: everyone sucks and there is no way out. That is wrong in my opinion but definitely lazy intellectually.

Saying that the Ds and Rs both suck is an obvious observation from any sane perspective. And it's NOT saying everyone sucks. It's the opposite. Most people don't suck, so how come we keep electing leaders who do?

 

[Crepitus]

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

www.devissues.nl

You are absolutely correct, but this post will fall on deaf ears. The republican propaganda machine has them thoroughly conditioned not to see the truth that is right in front of them.

 

[Crepitus]

MAGA has not "Scapegoated" immigrants

Dude....

 

[ColonelAngus]

Trump should have fired everyone from the Biden administration that he could legally fire.

 

[citygator]

Saying that the Ds and Rs both suck is an obvious observation from any sane perspective. And it's NOT saying everyone sucks. It's the opposite. Most people don't suck, so how come we keep electing leaders who do?

If all people don’t suck and a system produces failures after failures with people as the input would you conclude it’s the system? Maybe.

Or perhaps a small group of people are making it fail - thank you citizens united.

 

[dblack]

If all people don’t suck and a system produces failures after failures with people as the input would you conclude it’s the system? Maybe.

Ayup.

 

[BackAgain]

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

www.devissues.nl

I confess I am responding solely to croc’s thread title:

Why would we be interested in the views on this topic of a libtarded TDS afflicted hack, exactly?

 

[Dorian Mode]

There are so many problems with the federal government and until Trump came along, no one, absolutely no one, on both sides, ever lifted a finger to solve them because they and their benefactors benefited from all the problems. Trump is the first politician who isn't just making empty campaign promises and is trying to get the ball rolling. Can he fix almost 250 years worth of corruption? No way. But kudos for him for doing anything. He's the first POTUS since JFK who was willing to stick his neck out and challenge the system.

 

[Mac-7]

More generalities. If the strawberry picking industry lost all its immigrant labor explain how that catapults anyone into the middle class.

I’ll try for you:

A sudden stop to immigrant labor would raise food prices, shrink U.S. farm output (especially labor-intensive crops), accelerate imports, and trigger painful knock-on effects in rural economies—while delivering little to no real wage gains for the middle class.

Middle-class wages don’t rise meaningfully. The labor markets for farm work and for typical middle-class jobs scarcely overlap. Higher farm wages (where they occur) don’t translate into broader pay gains—but the grocery bill rises for everyone.

“Just pay more and Americans will do it.” Even large pay bumps don’t solve the mix of seasonality, mobility, heat exposure, injury risk, and speed/quality requirements. Trials after strict state laws have seen crops left in fields despite higher advertised wages and bonuses.

I’m not trying to raise everyone into the middle class overnight

Sometimes it takes generations

But the journey is worth it

My goal is to see every American citizen able to support themselves through meaningful work instead of living off welfare

And if for some that means picking strawberries whats wrong with that?

 

[citygator]

I’m not trying to raise everyone into the middle class overnight

Sometimes it takes generations

But the journey is worth it

My goal is to see every American citizen able to support themselves through meaningful work instead of living off welfare

And if for some that means picking strawberries whats wrong with that?

So help me out I am still not following. What is your goal for getting rid of immigrant labor if not to elevate Americans access to the middle class?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving

Letting 40 million low skilled illegal aliens stay in the country will drastically limit jobs and earnings for low skilled Americans. Not to mention raising housing costs for low skilled, lower income Americans.

Spending education dollars on ESL programs for illegal aliens also
reduces education dollars available in low-income American neighborhoods.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

www.devissues.nl

I stopped reading at

What does MAGA get right? At its core, the MAGA movement tapped into a genuine frustration: life is harder than ever for working-class Americans. Many feel priced out, underpaid, and increasingly marginalized—this disillusionment is the one thing the movement accurately identifies. Inequality has deepened dramatically over the decades, with the bottom earners barely moving compared to the soaring gains at the top. For instance, between 1979 and 2007, the top 1% saw their after-tax earnings grow by 275%, while the bottom 20% only saw an 18% increase. Prices haven’t grown in the same manner so we are looking at the first generation to pass a worse standard of living to their children.

What does MAGA get wrong? Well, everything else. The movement fundamentally misdiagnosed who’s to blame. Instead of pointing to real structural forces causing the loss in power, it turns working-class discontent toward scapegoats—immigrants, welfare recipients—narratives amplified by wealthy leaders who benefit from the status quo. Trump and other elites deploy this rhetoric to deflect blame while implementing policies—like tax cuts and deregulation—that tilt further in favor of the already affluent. It’s a sleight of hand, three-ball-monte, grift that the working class cant see coming. “Where did the ball go?” They’ll ask in memorized stupor.

What is the truth? In truth, data overwhelmingly shows that the real crisis is wealth consolidation at the very top. The bottom half of Americans own barely a sliver of the nation’s wealth—just 2.5%—while the top 10% control over two-thirds. Because that concentration suppresses wages, narrows mobility, and widens inequality, it hurts working families far more than immigrants or welfare recipients ever could. The wealthy in the GOP have successfully labeled any attempt to dismantle the structural advantage the wealthy have bought through congressional influence as “socialism”, “Marxism”, “communism”, “wokeism”, or any number of scary sounding words that end in “ism” to keep the working class off the trail.

What is the solution? The working class needs to wake the **** up or live mired in its worsening status as the wealthy continue to gobble up everything. We are in a bifurcated or two level economy today. The wealthy and big corps are killing it while the consumer is struggling. We will see if they get around to diagnosing their problem or whether they continue to play into it and follow the Trumpian pied piper to blaming brown people, immigrants, and the poor. As if they have all the money.

Is wealth inequality leading to a class war?

In the past four decades, the gap between rich and poor has grown significantly. It’s a dangerous trend.

www.vox.com

Anti-immigration: The rise of Trump and MAGA populism in the USA | www.devissues.nl

www.devissues.nl

I stopped reading at life is harder than ever. Why would someone continue reading when you open with a lie?

Only thing harder than ever is your tds filled cock for Trump