Worst cities to be safe

[egp320i]

Plenty of US cities on there, they should not be

shocked Canada is on the list........let's guess, lots of bad immigrants, right?

South Africa 5 out of top 10 [we know who's doing it]

#1 is 85% black, 10% asian and only 3% white, rest is mixed

 

[Eman623]

No link? No cities in Mexico?

Sorry, not buying it.

Here's the actual most dangerous cities in the world:

Top 15 Most Dangerous Cities in the World [2026 Update]

Discover the most dangerous cities in the world based on crime rates. Learn which dangerous cities to avoid and how to stay safe while traveling.

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What Makes These Cities Most Dangerous in the World?​

The most dangerous cities in the world aren’t defined by a single factor—multiple deep‑rooted issues combine to drive high crime rates according to Worldatlas. Across these high‑risk urban areas, persistent socioeconomic challenges, weak institutions, and systemic violence create environments where crime thrives.

• Poverty and Inequality: Widespread poverty and lack of economic opportunity increase desperation and social tension, which correlates with higher rates of violent and property crime. Struggling communities often have limited access to education, stable jobs, and support services, fueling cycles of crime and insecurity.
• Gang and Organized Crime: Many of the world’s most dangerous cities have strong presences of gangs, cartels, or organized criminal networks. These groups engage in turf wars, drug trafficking, extortion, and other illicit activities, leading to regular violent confrontations and elevated homicide rates.
• Weak Law Enforcement: Underfunded or corrupt police forces struggle to deter crime, investigate incidents, and build public trust. This lack of effective policing means criminals often act with impunity, making neighborhoods feel unsafe and reducing crime reporting.
• Political and Social Instability: Cities affected by political unrest, government instability, or ongoing conflict often see spikes in violence. When institutions are unstable, law enforcement and public services weaken, creating fertile ground for criminal activity and disorder to spread.

 

[egp320i]

No link? No cities in Mexico?

Sorry, not buying it.

Here's the actual most dangerous cities in the world:

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Top 15 Most Dangerous Cities in the World [2026 Update]

Discover the most dangerous cities in the world based on crime rates. Learn which dangerous cities to avoid and how to stay safe while traveling.

reolink.com

What Makes These Cities Most Dangerous in the World?​

The most dangerous cities in the world aren’t defined by a single factor—multiple deep‑rooted issues combine to drive high crime rates according to Worldatlas. Across these high‑risk urban areas, persistent socioeconomic challenges, weak institutions, and systemic violence create environments where crime thrives.

• Poverty and Inequality: Widespread poverty and lack of economic opportunity increase desperation and social tension, which correlates with higher rates of violent and property crime. Struggling communities often have limited access to education, stable jobs, and support services, fueling cycles of crime and insecurity.
• Gang and Organized Crime: Many of the world’s most dangerous cities have strong presences of gangs, cartels, or organized criminal networks. These groups engage in turf wars, drug trafficking, extortion, and other illicit activities, leading to regular violent confrontations and elevated homicide rates.
• Weak Law Enforcement: Underfunded or corrupt police forces struggle to deter crime, investigate incidents, and build public trust. This lack of effective policing means criminals often act with impunity, making neighborhoods feel unsafe and reducing crime reporting.
• Political and Social Instability: Cities affected by political unrest, government instability, or ongoing conflict often see spikes in violence. When institutions are unstable, law enforcement and public services weaken, creating fertile ground for criminal activity and disorder to spread.

slightly different depending on how it's reported and risk factor, what resources do they use to calculate this?

5/10 in SA have massive poverty, gangs, weak LE to where all wealthy whites pay for a security service, have fences, alarms, etc

All depends on what factors they use, I am sure that graph is accurate per other facts

Not wrong, just depends on what factors they use

 

[Eman623]

slightly different depending on how it's reported and risk factor, what resources do they use to calculate this?

5/10 in SA have massive poverty, gangs, weak LE to where all wealthy whites pay for a security service, have fences, alarms, etc

All depends on what factors they use, I am sure that graph is accurate per other facts

Not wrong, just depends on what factors they use

Being murdered is the worst risk factor of all.

 

[egp320i]

Being murdered is the worst risk factor of all.

yep, and the top 5 in SA have an off the chart murder rate per population

sky high unemployment might do it.........

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Wow, no Muslim or Asian cities on those lists...

 

[Eman623]

yep, and the top 5 in SA have an off the chart murder rate per population

sky high unemployment might do it.........

What is the murder rate in those 5 cities?

 

[egp320i]

What is the murder rate in those 5 cities?

CityEst. Murder Rate (per 100k)Safety Index Rating

Pretoria, SA~40 - 45Very Low (18.1)
Johannesburg, SA~42 - 47Very Low (19.4)
Cape Town, SA~60+ (Concentrated)Low (26.3)

South Africa’s national murder rate is currently hovering around 44 to 45 per 100,000 people. To put that in perspective, that is roughly 7 to 8 times higher than the United States average.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Plenty of US cities on there, they should not be

shocked Canada is on the list........let's guess, lots of bad immigrants, right?

South Africa 5 out of top 10 [we know who's doing it]

#1 is 85% black, 10% asian and only 3% white, rest is mixed
View attachment 1247973

It appears that the darker the population the more dangerous the city. At least the chart appears to lean in that direction.

 

[egp320i]

It appears that the darker the population the more dangerous the city. At least the chart appears to lean in that direction.

An honest sociologist would agree

ST louis ranks up there high 65/100K

 

[Eman623]

CityEst. Murder Rate (per 100k)Safety Index Rating

Pretoria, SA~40 - 45Very Low (18.1)
Johannesburg, SA~42 - 47Very Low (19.4)
Cape Town, SA~60+ (Concentrated)Low (26.3)

South Africa’s national murder rate is currently hovering around 44 to 45 per 100,000 people. To put that in perspective, that is roughly 7 to 8 times higher than the United States average.

No link. Again. That seems to be a problem for you. Next time, please provide a link when you post stats.

And when did we decide we were going to talk about countries instead of cities? This thread is titled "Worst cities to be safe."

Mexico's cities have the world's highest murder rates. Not South

 

[egp320i]

No link. Again. That seems to be a problem for you. Next time, please provide a link when you post stats.

And when did we decide we were going to talk about countries instead of cities? This thread is titled "Worst cities to be safe."

Mexico's cities have the world's highest murder rates. Not South

go ask gemini if you care so much

murder is not the only thing that makes cities unsafe

there is a safety index and that was the chart

because you can't search I did it for you.......index

 

[SaxonJackson]

No link? No cities in Mexico?

Sorry, not buying it.

Here's the actual most dangerous cities in the world:

View attachment 1247985

Top 15 Most Dangerous Cities in the World [2026 Update]

Discover the most dangerous cities in the world based on crime rates. Learn which dangerous cities to avoid and how to stay safe while traveling.

reolink.com

What Makes These Cities Most Dangerous in the World?​

The most dangerous cities in the world aren’t defined by a single factor—multiple deep‑rooted issues combine to drive high crime rates according to Worldatlas. Across these high‑risk urban areas, persistent socioeconomic challenges, weak institutions, and systemic violence create environments where crime thrives.

• Poverty and Inequality: Widespread poverty and lack of economic opportunity increase desperation and social tension, which correlates with higher rates of violent and property crime. Struggling communities often have limited access to education, stable jobs, and support services, fueling cycles of crime and insecurity.
• Gang and Organized Crime: Many of the world’s most dangerous cities have strong presences of gangs, cartels, or organized criminal networks. These groups engage in turf wars, drug trafficking, extortion, and other illicit activities, leading to regular violent confrontations and elevated homicide rates.
• Weak Law Enforcement: Underfunded or corrupt police forces struggle to deter crime, investigate incidents, and build public trust. This lack of effective policing means criminals often act with impunity, making neighborhoods feel unsafe and reducing crime reporting.
• Political and Social Instability: Cities affected by political unrest, government instability, or ongoing conflict often see spikes in violence. When institutions are unstable, law enforcement and public services weaken, creating fertile ground for criminal activity and disorder to spread.

Two cities in Mexico appear in the OP's list.

 

[Eman623]

go ask gemini if you care so much

murder is not the only thing that makes cities unsafe

there is a safety index and that was the chart

because you can't search I did it for you.......index

Projection. I've been very diligent in providing links. I was starting to think you couldn't.

Since I can search, here's what ChatGPT says about the Numbeo Safety Index. You probably should have searched it yourself before using in. Turns out it's almost entirely subjective. "It’s useful for a quick feel of a place, but shouldn’t replace official crime statistics if you need accuracy."

I'll take indexes based on actual data thank you very much.



Q. How is the Numbeo safety index calculated?

A. The Numbeo Safety Index is based almost entirely on user surveys about crime and safety perception, not official police statistics. Here’s how it’s actually built:

1. It starts with survey questions​

Users are asked to rate things like:

• How safe they feel walking alone:
  • During the day
  • At night
• Level of concern about:
  • Mugging or robbery
  • Car theft
  • Physical attacks
  • Harassment in public places
• Perceived severity of crimes:
  • Violent crime
  • Property crime
  • Drug-related issues
• Trends:
  • Whether crime is increasing or decreasing

Responses are typically on a scale (e.g., low / moderate / high / very high).

2. Answers are converted into scores​

Each response is assigned a numerical value (for example, “very high concern” scores worse than “low concern”).

Then:

• The answers are aggregated across all users for a given city
• More recent responses are usually weighted more heavily

3. A “Crime Index” is calculated first​

Numbeo first computes a Crime Index (0–100):

• Higher = more crime

This combines all the survey responses into one composite number.

4. Safety Index is derived from Crime Index​

The relationship is simple:

Safety Index = 100 − Crime Index

So:

• If Crime Index = 30 → Safety Index = 70 (relatively safe)
• If Crime Index = 65 → Safety Index = 35 (less safe)

5. Important caveats​

This is where interpretation matters:

• Perception-based → reflects how people feel, not necessarily actual crime rates
• Self-selected users → not a random sample of the population
• Sample size varies → smaller cities can be less reliable
• Can be biased by recent events or media coverage

Quick interpretation guide​

• 80–100 → very safe
• 60–80 → generally safe
• 40–60 → moderate
• 20–40 → somewhat unsafe
• 0–20 → very unsafe

Bottom line​

Numbeo’s Safety Index is essentially:

A crowd-sourced perception score of safety, inverted from a crime perception score

It’s useful for a quick feel of a place, but shouldn’t replace official crime statistics if you need accuracy.

 

[Eman623]

Two cities in Mexico appear in the OP's list.

I stand corrected.

 

[egp320i]

Projection. I've been very diligent in providing links. I was starting to think you couldn't.

Since I can search, here's what ChatGPT says about the Numbeo Safety Index. You probably should have searched it yourself before using in. Turns out it's almost entirely subjective. "It’s useful for a quick feel of a place, but shouldn’t replace official crime statistics if you need accuracy."

I'll take indexes based on actual data thank you very much.



Q. How is the Numbeo safety index calculated?

A. The Numbeo Safety Index is based almost entirely on user surveys about crime and safety perception, not official police statistics. Here’s how it’s actually built:

1. It starts with survey questions​

Users are asked to rate things like:

• How safe they feel walking alone:
  • During the day
  • At night
• Level of concern about:
  • Mugging or robbery
  • Car theft
  • Physical attacks
  • Harassment in public places
• Perceived severity of crimes:
  • Violent crime
  • Property crime
  • Drug-related issues
• Trends:
  • Whether crime is increasing or decreasing

Responses are typically on a scale (e.g., low / moderate / high / very high).

2. Answers are converted into scores​

Each response is assigned a numerical value (for example, “very high concern” scores worse than “low concern”).

Then:

• The answers are aggregated across all users for a given city
• More recent responses are usually weighted more heavily

3. A “Crime Index” is calculated first​

Numbeo first computes a Crime Index (0–100):

• Higher = more crime

This combines all the survey responses into one composite number.

4. Safety Index is derived from Crime Index​

The relationship is simple:


So:

• If Crime Index = 30 → Safety Index = 70 (relatively safe)
• If Crime Index = 65 → Safety Index = 35 (less safe)

5. Important caveats​

This is where interpretation matters:

• Perception-based → reflects how people feel, not necessarily actual crime rates
• Self-selected users → not a random sample of the population
• Sample size varies → smaller cities can be less reliable
• Can be biased by recent events or media coverage

Quick interpretation guide​

• 80–100 → very safe
• 60–80 → generally safe
• 40–60 → moderate
• 20–40 → somewhat unsafe
• 0–20 → very unsafe

Bottom line​

Numbeo’s Safety Index is essentially:



It’s useful for a quick feel of a place, but shouldn’t replace official crime statistics if you need accuracy.

alright, do a deep dive then if you can find it but the same worst cities around the world are going to show up regardless

 

[Eman623]

alright, do a deep dive then if you can find it but the same worst cities around the world are going to show up regardless

It's demonstrably not the same cities, but you do have a point.

It's not unlike the surveys that purport to enumerate to "best" or "most livable" cities. Invariably they place northern European and Scandinavian cities at the top, despite the fact that few are clamoring to move there. They list things like access to bike trails and commitment to CO2 as important qualities even almost no one gives a crap about those metrics at all.

OTOH, there are shithole cities and countries. Going to your OP chart, there's like a 2 square mile area of Memphis that sucks on ice to live in. Same with Detroit. But the rest of those cities are pretty nice, especially if you are not a black or in a gang.

I live in a city that is one of the best places in the world to live - at least for me. It has all the things I like. I would not live anywhere else if you paid me, not even one of the so-called "most livable" cities.

 

[egp320i]

It's demonstrably not the same cities, but you do have a point.

It's not unlike the surveys that purport to enumerate to "best" or "most livable" cities. Invariably they place northern European and Scandinavian cities at the top, despite the fact that few are clamoring to move there. They list things like access to bike trails and commitment to CO2 as important qualities even almost no one gives a crap about those metrics at all.

OTOH, there are shithole cities and countries. Going to your OP chart, there's like a 2 square mile area of Memphis that sucks on ice to live in. Same with Detroit. But the rest of those cities are pretty nice, especially if you are not a black or in a gang.

I live in a city that is one of the best places in the world to live - at least for me. It has all the things I like. I would not live anywhere else if you paid me, not even one of the so-called "most livable" cities.

No cal is near OR, yes that is more green and rural, still in CA's tax and BS system

top 10 are highly corrupt, vastly minorities......oh SA whites are the minority but don't commit the crimes, hmm

yes, Memphis, Detroit, S Chicago are known gang lands

nowhere you want to live or even visit, maybe during the day with and escort/protection

not sure what happened to Memphis to get so bad